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Hacks are destroying this game!

Dontezz
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How many people believe Hacks are destroying this game? The PvP in this game is awesome.. but speed, teleporting, bots, no clipping, and the mostly unknown I see you stealth hacks are destroying this game.. I know this isnt just one faction or just a few people using them.. So how many have seen these being used? and should ZOS make banning these players a priority?
  • ThePonzzz
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    I haven't done much PvP. But that sort of stuff seems to be a big problem. I hope it's looked into.
  • Maximis_ESO
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    They should be banning them on the spot...... hacks ruin the game for many people. Unfortunately I haven't seen any besides the hacks where they 1 shot you for 2k damage...... frustrating.
  • yorzo
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    personally I haven't seen any hacks in the game, just exploits of broken game mechanics which have been reported by many people for along time.
  • Kulthax
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    Poor game design and the omission of key MMO features beat hacks to it when it comes to what is the cause for this game being destroyed.

    You are right, but in the middle of the line. :)
  • Vis
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    I agree hacks exist and are an issue, though most of what you see is just bug exploitation. They need to be harder on those who exploit bugs (whether they got the bug by accident that or not). It's not about how they got the advantage as much as it is what they do with it.
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  • Lettigall
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    Right now seems there's green light for exploiters and hackers. Obvious cheaters have been reported and no action was taken from devs. Ingame GM's could solve this problem easily.
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  • moxiesauce
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    1-v12 and haven't encountered a single person hacking. played a fair share of PvP as well. Exploits through the roof though.
  • Dontezz
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    More than likely if you have PvPed in last few weeks you have seen hacks and didnt know it.. ever been in stealth and someone from a far range comes runnin straight at you and attacks? the stealth hack lets you see all toons around you stealth or not.. invisible or not.. there are way to many to list here.. do a lil research and read up on them.. its crazy
  • Xsorus
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    More than likely if you have PvPed in last few weeks you have seen hacks and didnt know it.. ever been in stealth and someone from a far range comes runnin straight at you and attacks? the stealth hack lets you see all toons around you stealth or not.. invisible or not.. there are way to many to list here.. do a lil research and read up on them.. its crazy

    Or they could of ya know.. popped the stealth detection potion.

  • moxiesauce
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    More than likely if you have PvPed in last few weeks you have seen hacks and didnt know it.. ever been in stealth and someone from a far range comes runnin straight at you and attacks? the stealth hack lets you see all toons around you stealth or not.. invisible or not.. there are way to many to list here.. do a lil research and read up on them.. its crazy

    yea I stopped playing PvP after they broke silver bolts.
  • cuz_mike200
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    Whenever I play PvP I get sneaked up on by enemies who are invisible and then reveal themselves while they kill you. I have no idea if this is a hack, potion or an ability.
  • Baphomet
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    It's been verified that it is possible to write macros for nightblades which allows them to deal 3000ish damage in about a second - and it's being used in PvP.
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  • Hilgara
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    I saw a bot train in Rivenspire last night. None of them had names and couldn't be interacted with. They were just running around in a circle killing mobs.
    Reporting this kind of stuff needs to be made easier.
  • nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO
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    Guys I hope you know that there are potions in the game that enables you to see stealthed enemies within 26 meters ?
  • SaibotLiu
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    The only policy that works for hacks/exploiting is a no nonsense insta-permaban policy. Make an example out of the offending accounts, it's rarely heard from again.

    Showing people that you are powerless, unwilling, or too inept to stop it, you probably deserve to have your game run into the ground by flagrant cheaters.

    I think ZOS has done a fine job of alienating legit players already. I can't speak for hacks but plenty of exploiting, combine that with the multitude of balance issues, it's just not worth logging in anymore.
  • sdande
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    have not seen any hacking in this game yet. in over 40days /played with 80% of my time spent in cyro. Alot of abusing but no hacking
  • AoEnwyr
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    Kulthax wrote: »
    Poor game design and the omission of key MMO features beat hacks to it when it comes to what is the cause for this game being destroyed.

    You are right, but in the middle of the line. :)

    I understand the point you are making but I guess its a bit like saying if there isn't a continual police presence then it's ok for people to kill each other because it's the governments fault for not having more police and laws. How about people just don't kill each other? Same applies in game. Just because you can find a way to cheat doesn't mean you should. Just can't trust people to behave like reasonable human beings I guess.
  • nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO
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    sdande wrote: »
    have not seen any hacking in this game yet. in over 40days /played with 80% of my time spent in cyro. Alot of abusing but no hacking

    Yep most of what I see here is ignorance of what is already in the game like the potions that give you the ability to see stealthers or the different teleports or the incredible run speed medium armor bow users can achieve or the damage you deal out if you pop any of the +390 crit + attack power crit potions and combine them with the NB passives.
  • Mortalio
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    Sadly cheaters will allways use any means possibly to gain what they Think is cool, fun, fame etc. Ingame GM's is one solution if they ban on the spot. They also have to strict the game code to detect and selfreport if possibly macros, hacks and such.
  • Syntse
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    Hacks do exist, doesn't take genius to find some sites with google.

    Also many claims for hacks are false. In FPS games calling hacks is almost joke already as it happens so often. True that there are way more hacks around too.

    So I googled and read a bit one forum that seems to concentrate on hacks. Most of those were teleportation, speed, fly, under the ground, easier spotting of resources etc mainly what people would use for botting or farming. Some detect invisible players were there too.

    As those sites tend to be quite shady and you never know what stuff they might inject to your machine while you browse there I didn't go digging deeper. What was of course kinda relief to see that many of the creators of the hacks have stopped development as they have stopped playing the game.

    No idea of the commercial side, I'm sure there is one too cause sadly it seems there are people who use these and most likely are also willing to pay for working one.
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  • ForTheRealm
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    I believe that speed is actually a bug not a hack.
    It happened to me in Cyrodill twice to get enormous speed boost (under different conditions) and was ceased by the character death.
    It makes me wonder if others are really hacks or just another bugs.

    But I agree hacks and bugs have a really bad influence on the perception of the game.
    Edited by ForTheRealm on July 15, 2014 10:56AM
  • onlinegamer1
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    The single most popular hack program on the internet, used for almost every MMO in existence, is called [snip] It allows hacks such as super speed, teleporting, moving through geometry (ignoring collision/clipping), infinite health/invulnerability, 1 shot kills, see invisibility, and all sorts of other things to allow people to blatantly cheat.

    There is no reason not to say its name, its 100% illegal to use and you will be perma-banned for doing so. Its also become fairly easy to detect on the server-side, so if you see these behaviors in game, report the player and if they are using this or another program to hack/cheat, they will likely get banned.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Malicious Links]
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on July 15, 2014 8:04PM
  • Crassius
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    The single most popular hack program on the internet, used for almost every MMO in existence, is called [snip] It allows hacks such as super speed, teleporting, moving through geometry (ignoring collision/clipping), infinite health/invulnerability, 1 shot kills, see invisibility, and all sorts of other things to allow people to blatantly cheat.

    There is no reason not to say its name, its 100% illegal to use and you will be perma-banned for doing so. Its also become fairly easy to detect on the server-side, so if you see these behaviors in game, report the player and if they are using this or another program to hack/cheat, they will likely get banned.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Malicious Links]

    No, it's not illegal - It's not a crime to use it. Law enforcement will not knock at your door for using it.
    Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on July 15, 2014 8:03PM
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  • nerevarine1138
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    Crassius wrote: »
    The single most popular hack program on the internet, used for almost every MMO in existence, is called Cheat Engine. It allows hacks such as super speed, teleporting, moving through geometry (ignoring collision/clipping), infinite health/invulnerability, 1 shot kills, see invisibility, and all sorts of other things to allow people to blatantly cheat.

    There is no reason not to say its name, its 100% illegal to use and you will be perma-banned for doing so. Its also become fairly easy to detect on the server-side, so if you see these behaviors in game, report the player and if they are using this or another program to hack/cheat, they will likely get banned.

    No, it's not illegal - It's not a crime to use it. Law enforcement will not knock at your door for using it.

    Civil law is not criminal law. You can't be arrested, but you can be sued. Granted, you probably won't be, but the programmers who make these things have lost millions in prior cases.
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  • reften
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    moxiesauce wrote: »
    1-v12 and haven't encountered a single person hacking. played a fair share of PvP as well. Exploits through the roof though.

    Same here...just because you get owned in PvP doesn't mean that someone used a hack.

    This game has the best PvP of any game I've ever played. Work together, you succeed...try stupid tactics, you get hammered.

    Keep defense is fun
    Keep assault is fun
    Open ground combat is fun
    Bridge combat is my favorite
    Resource struggles are well done.

    I think oil pots should cost more...also think there should be a cap (like 2 or 3) on the # of siege items you can carry at once. But otherwise, no clue about any exploiting.
    Edited by reften on July 15, 2014 12:44PM
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  • Divinius
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    UlanX wrote: »
    I understand the point you are making but I guess its a bit like saying if there isn't a continual police presence then it's ok for people to kill each other because it's the governments fault for not having more police and laws. How about people just don't kill each other? Same applies in game. Just because you can find a way to cheat doesn't mean you should. Just can't trust people to behave like reasonable human beings I guess.

    Not sure if there are any Game of Thrones fans in here, but one of my favorite quotes applies here:

    “Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaegar died.”

    You can't expect everyone to refrain from abusing exploits in a PvP situation. The only way to try to prevent it is by enforcing the risk of punishment for abusing exploits, and/or actually patching the game to remove the ability for exploits. In any system, there will always be people that prefer to win over losing with honor.
  • Sabin1269
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    I tried playing PvP with my first toon and because of the hacks it left a bad taste in my mouth. Getting one shot killed and having the other players discs appear and pop up behind you and one hit you got old QUICK! I'm happy playing PvE for now and dealing with the treasure chest and mat thiefs for now.
  • mumok
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    I don't PvP much so this may not be anything at all.

    I jumped into Cyrodiil the other night and joined a large group that was helping take some keeps. While we were running from a farm to a keep we ran into a DC guy so we attacked him. 8-10 of us were attacking him but could not bring his health down more than a 1/4. He ended up killing all of us and going about his merry way.

    I understand some people are better at PvP than others and most people are better than me but should this happen? These were not level 10 guys I was grouped with. Most of them were higher level than I am at V3.

    Anyway, for someone that doesn't PvP much this is something that will make me not want to set foot in Cyrodiil.

    EDIT: Typo
    Edited by mumok on July 15, 2014 1:45PM
  • coryevans_3b14_ESO
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    Kulthax wrote: »
    Poor game design and the omission of key MMO features beat hacks to it when it comes to what is the cause for this game being destroyed.

    You are right, but in the middle of the line. :)

    I always laugh my rear end off when I read someone using the term "key mmo features"

    lol
  • Zubba
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    What do you mean by stealth hacks?
    Add PvP loot drops for some risk/reward in this game.

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