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Is LOL is unofficial downvote option?
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✭VagabondAngel wrote: »How many people who use the LOL button to attempt to belittle a post they don't agree with, also say LOL instead of actually laughing at things?
I expect the ratio is surprisingly close to 1:1
It is often simply a great way to anonymously poke fun at someone or something without having to justify yourself. As has already been mentioned, using one of the positive buttons indicates agreement, which requires no further explanation. Negative responses could be for any number of reasons, which therefore should require justification/explanation in the interest of enlightened debate. Most LoLers are likely incapable of that.
LOL
I still feel we should then remove all agree buttons. If you are going to have the gull to support someone or something you should be forced to justify your agreement.
Funny how when you agree you can just "drive by" but if you want to disagree you had better be prepared to be drug out before the community and forced to testify and open yourself up to trolling.
In a community like this where not agreeing with something opens a big can of worms you just want to push the button and leave the thread. Instead, we have more forum wars because we don't have the disagree option.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭theroyalestpythonnub18_ESO wrote: »Sometimes. Sometimes it just means lol.
QFT
It's contextual, if you say something serious and get a lol, then it's a no vote, if you say something funny, then it's probably a thumbs up (although you never can tell with some people)People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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nerrollus✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »
I don't think so ... I click LOL when something is funny. I honestly think they need to put some kind of disagree button.
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✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »
I don't think so ... I click LOL when something is funny. I honestly think they need to put some kind of disagree button.
They had one during the Beta, it got removed due to abuse.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think it's more likely that ZOS will remove LOL rather than add a disagree button.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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pborerb16_ESO✭✭✭Removing LOL and condensing the three clearly positive options Insightful/Agree/Awesome into one single appreciation button could be a good idea, I think.7
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✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »
I don't think so ... I click LOL when something is funny. I honestly think they need to put some kind of disagree button.
A click on LoL to say you find something funny is fine (and as it should be) a simple click of disagree isn't helping anything.
•Firstly, it doesn't promote any kind of interaction or discussion between players.
•Second, It does not give any reasoning behind why you disagree. If you put forward a factual, well worded response people will understand your reasoning, hell the OP may even agree with you and change their mind.
•Thirdly (and this is very important) the 'disagree' comment is as important to Zenimax as the original suggestion/comment. A simple 'disagree' button click would give the Devs no feedback as to why a suggestion is not wanted or liked.
This discussion/interaction between players is vital for them to gauge what we want and where to direct their efforts in future !
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Raash✭✭✭✭I have always taken lols as two different things, mainly as what bitter people use when they fall short on skills to put out a good argument. Or it is used when something really is genuinly funny.4
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✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »
I don't think so ... I click LOL when something is funny. I honestly think they need to put some kind of disagree button.
A click on LoL to say you find something funny is fine (and as it should be) a simple click of disagree isn't helping anything.
•Firstly, it doesn't promote any kind of interaction or discussion between players.
•Second, It does not give any reasoning behind why you disagree. If you put forward a factual, well worded response people will understand your reasoning, hell the OP may even agree with you and change their mind.
•Thirdly (and this is very important) the 'disagree' comment is as important to Zenimax as the original suggestion/comment. A simple 'disagree' button click would give the Devs no feedback as to why a suggestion is not wanted or liked.
This discussion/interaction between players is vital for them to gauge what we want and where to direct their efforts in future !
Exactly, you should always have to say why you disagree, having it as anonymous just means you pick at all suggestions. As it stands now you have to say what you disagree with, and explain why if you want to look sane.
You could just post disagree, but you would look stupid, and you would be flagged and eventually banned. Which as it should be. If you can't be bothered to say what wrong with an idea, then don't post.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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✭Morticielle wrote: »Actually we even aren't allowed to tell if we dislike the game, the reason would be that this would not be 'constructiv' (and it might hurt the fanboys feelings too).
Rubbish, I have criticised this game, its flaws and mechanics on many of my threads. I have said repeatedly when I have not liked or agreed with something.
I have been slapped by the Mods/Admin so many times I've lost count but 'NEVER' has that been done for me voicing my dislikes of something, or my disagreement !
I will second this.
I bash this game all the time, only once i got called attention and it had NOTHING to do with me bashing the game , it happened because on the first day the forums got released the mods were punishing everything and i mean everything , even loling at people.
Honestly , the mods and support folk have always been nice when i talked to them about anything , it is the devs i dislike."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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VagabondAngel✭✭✭✭
What? Like, for example, saying something like "I agree with you because I think you're right", or "I agree with you because that is exactly what I think, too"? Agreement tends to suggest that someone has already made the point or expressed the opinion that you would have yourself, thus removing the need for you to do so. Having a button you can click to indicate that is efficient.I still feel we should then remove all agree buttons. If you are going to have the gull to support someone or something you should be forced to justify your agreement.
Agreeing with something doesn't require justification, it just doesn't. You can expand on why if you like but it isn't necessary.
Disagreement is the result of having an opposing opinion, which then requires an explanation of how and why that is the case. Simply having a button marked 'disagree' is leaving a question unanswered and actually negates the purpose of a discussion forum.
Using LOL as a disagreement surrogate is petty and insulting and actually means you probably can't express your own opinion effectively.Edited by VagabondAngel on July 13, 2014 4:13PM~ Níamh ~
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✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »No it doesn't. It leads me to troll you with a thoughtless remark.
Yes, blame a forum policy for making you troll.
Did you forget the option to be mature and just not say a thing.I can just troll you with the LOL button so why not?
If you have to ask why you should not be rude, someone did not raise you right.
1. Do you hate being allowed to dissent or disagree? Why should I have to "own up" if I want to show dissent? The unlike button lets me peacefully and quietly express my dissent. I don't always have much (or anything) productive to say. That doesn't mean I don't want to express dissent.
3. There is nothing immature about wanting a dislike button. I would happily "not say a thing" if I had a dislike button. I could be mature, quietly dissent and move on.
3. You are actually being rude by making assumptions about my maturity. Do you know me or something? Hi! Do you have evidence of my maturity by which to make your claim? Or is that just presupposition?
This is funny, because I disagreed with you, and now you want to know why. You want an explanation.
You want a conversation as to why I think you are wrong.
That is why a /disagree button is rude and why using LOL as a troll button is immature.
People deserve to know why they are being told they are wrong. It is just rude to just say "you are wrong" and walk away.
1) I just answered you.
2) Yes there is. I just explained it.
3) You said you use LOLs to troll people. I don't have to assume you are immature. You told us you were.
Maybe you use LOLs to troll because if you used words you might go too far and get banned, so it is a safe way for you to troll.Edited by Blackwidow on July 13, 2014 7:00PM7 -
Chatoyancy✭✭✭Chatoyancy wrote: »but can we just remove the LOL tag too?
Er... no... I like using the LOL button when I find something amusing !
I did too, but I use awesome for that now. Anything that makes me giggle is also awesome, so it works well as a replacement for me.
Also, if I remember correctly, you get points if you receive an awesome, and you don't get points if you receive a LOL unless you got enough to get a badge. I would much rather give folks that extra reward for posting something that amused me.
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✭✭To answer the original question - I lol at things that make me laugh. ESO is a game and I'm here to have fun and learn new things about the game. Sometimes I laugh at people who take themselves entirely too seriously. I think I'll start lol-ing at them too.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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✭As of my addition, the original post now has 45 LOLs.
i personally have wondered this myself tho....I play every class in every situation. I love them all.3 -
twev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If someone disagrees, they should explain why or forever hold their peace. "I disagree because..." Agreeing is different because you might not have anything to add. "Enough said, I agree".
There's another stat which we do not see...
Insightful's given.
Agree's given.
Awesome's given.
LOL's given.
These stats would blacklist the spammers. Imagine one person saying, "You have more LOL's received". And the other person saying, "Yea, but you've given 5 times more LOL's than I've received". Obviously some members spam the button and pretend to speak for a larger population. Most websites cap their usage. Not sure if this is done here.
I disagree with you, and I'm not obligated to tell you why.
Not engaging you in discourse doesn't invalidate my disagreement.
Why don't you insist that the people who hit the 'Agree' button write a paragraph explaining that they fully understand what it is that they're agreeing with.
Without that paragraph, it might be possible that they're completely mistaken, and we'd just never know, right?
I'd still rather just have an 'ignore poster' button.Edited by twev on July 14, 2014 6:51AMThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.8 -
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✭✭Chatoyancy wrote: »Chatoyancy wrote: »but can we just remove the LOL tag too?
Er... no... I like using the LOL button when I find something amusing !
I did too, but I use awesome for that now. Anything that makes me giggle is also awesome, so it works well as a replacement for me.
Also, if I remember correctly, you get points if you receive an awesome, and you don't get points if you receive a LOL unless you got enough to get a badge. I would much rather give folks that extra reward for posting something that amused me.
Fair enough.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Nukeyak✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »It depends on the post. If there is nothing obviously intended to be funny in the post, then LOL means "I'm laughing at you."
This. I have just "achieved" five LOLs, of them four were meant to be funny and one not.3 -
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✭✭Not for me. LOL is used as intended.Your immersion is breaking my entitlement. Buff Sorc's. Darkshroud the cremator Death by furRubeus BlackFluffy knight BladesThe Fat PantherPsijic Fungal SausageFlesheater the VileCaspian Rafferty FernsbyArchfiend Warlock PiersThe Black BishopEvil Wizard Lizard (EU)Neberra Vestige Fajeon (EU)Salanis Deathstick (EU)Blood Mage Alchemist (EU)4 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I love this thread now. Posting in it got me the LOL I needed to get an LOL achievement badge and a promotion to level 2!Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭they actually had a option in closed beta to "down vote' with a post but they took it out when they started to open beta up because people were using it on any response that did not support their rants. As an example if someone was ranting about their being only 5 skill slots and people responded that once you hit lvl 15 you received a second 5 skills. The OP would just down voted all the responses that did not agree with his rant.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!1
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✭Remove all the buttons.....if you disagree and don't like just reply why.
Badges? We don't need no stinkin Badges
Edited by WebBull on July 14, 2014 11:04PM0
