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So, the elephant in the room on DB - NA no one else is asking
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The result of all this for Auriels Bow, North America. Campaign is dead, no one showing up anymore, Most have moved to other campaigns or just unsubbed. Don't let this happen to all the campaigns. Map hasn't changed in 3 days. No chat scrolling, I mean really dead PVP, useless zone.0 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭TBH, no one is to blame but yellow for hard stacking that campaign for so long.
Zerg your opponents down and constantly day cap and you get a ghost town of your own making. First the pugs will get frustrated and leave and then the organized groups that are now vastly outnumbered will follow.
Sometimes restraint makes for better fighting later.
For instance, why open a gate with an empty scroll temple behind it? Saw it too often on Bloodthorn. Shockingly, people fled the campaign.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!1 -
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Just for the keep caps. More keeps = higher alliance score being tallied.Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »For instance, why open a gate with an empty scroll temple behind it? Saw it too often on Bloodthorn. Shockingly, people fled the campaign.
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Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
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Just for the keep caps. More keeps = higher alliance score being tallied.Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »For instance, why open a gate with an empty scroll temple behind it? Saw it too often on Bloodthorn. Shockingly, people fled the campaign.
On campaigns when the score is 400K to 100K, it's pretty clear the points are meaningless by then.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!0 -
Halrloprillalar✭✭✭✭✭Two main reasons ghost campaigns exist:
1. Home/guest buff nonsense
2. Low population compared to # of campaigns"nerf rock, paper is fine" - scissors
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TRIP233✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »
For instance, why open a gate with an empty scroll temple behind it? Saw it too often on Bloodthorn. Shockingly, people fled the campaign.
For the people collecting skyshards.2 -
maxilaub17_ESO✭✭✭Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.0 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.
It's not uncommon to make the choice to hit the faction that's 'down' as it's easiest to get successes and make gains.
EP being sieged at Arrius by DC? Time to take that Inner Imperial keep off them!
18 siege goes up on Fort Ash by AD? Time to pull that scroll out of Glademist and run it back.
DC flipping Faregyl/Bloodmayne to grab a scroll? Time for EP to grab Alessia and/or Roebeck.
And on and on it goes.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!2 -
maxilaub17_ESO✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.
It's not uncommon to make the choice to hit the faction that's 'down' as it's easiest to get successes and make gains.
EP being sieged at Arrius by DC? Time to take that Inner Imperial keep off them!
18 siege goes up on Fort Ash by AD? Time to pull that scroll out of Glademist and run it back.
DC flipping Faregyl/Bloodmayne to grab a scroll? Time for EP to grab Alessia and/or Roebeck.
And on and on it goes.
I agree completely, and would add that 99 times out of a 100 it is not an organized or agreed to alliance, It's just the natural flow of the game based on the map and what is going on atm.
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✭✭✭The lead designer has said in several interviews that that tripartite structure of AvAvA was consciously designed in hopes of preventing any one Alliance becoming too strong. If there are cross-Alliance agreements over shared goals, it's working as intended.
Nevertheless, I find it hard to imagine a given situation lasting too long. I've certainly attacked one or the other Alliance preferentially, depending on the exigencies of the moment, but I haven't seen alliances last within my own Alliance, which purportedly shares the same overarching goals, and all the AD sniping back and forth certainly demonstrates the same goes for the `nanners.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.
It's not uncommon to make the choice to hit the faction that's 'down' as it's easiest to get successes and make gains.
EP being sieged at Arrius by DC? Time to take that Inner Imperial keep off them!
18 siege goes up on Fort Ash by AD? Time to pull that scroll out of Glademist and run it back.
DC flipping Faregyl/Bloodmayne to grab a scroll? Time for EP to grab Alessia and/or Roebeck.
And on and on it goes.
It goes deeper than that Agrippa. We have literally watched DC stand next to EP and not attack them but actually help them overpower an AD controlled keep.
That is pretty lame if you ask me. We have also watched DC open up a keep for you and then back away before you got there. we didnt push them back, they just left. Then magically red arrives in earnest. It was your group too, you were there. And thats not me accusing you personally or anything, youre one of the few EP commanders I respect. But that is pretty fishy.
it always leaves me wondering, because I know for a fact no one I run with would even consider such a thing, we refer to you all as purple.Edited by Rylana on July 12, 2014 7:57AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This is pretty much Rylana just looking for something else to tear up about.
Every side engages in some form of direct/indirect collaboration on an almost daily basis. Direct collusion is pretty rare here than Ive seen on other servers, which is pretty good and says a lot about the balance of things.
Just the other day EP asked us to help dethrone the false emperor who spent 5am-8am ghost capping keeps to be crowned. We obliged and frankly I agreed with that sentiment! I was labeled a troll by AD for burning their camps and killing them as they respawn and told my activity was being FRAPsd and sent to zenimax and I would be banned by the next day.
Later that day EP was crowned and AD members asked me to help take chalman. Our 5 man group went to roeback instead which led to the AD informing me "theyre shouting your location at roeback and asking for help". EP also PMd me asking me not to come since there was a massive blue zerg at chalman already. Frankly Im just interested in good fights, and we had a good one until 40+ AD showed up at roeback for us.
Its probably as good a time as any to state that Fengrush INC is always available for hire!0 -
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✭✭✭seems that every campaign has some kind of alliance going on:) I hope it is an ACTUAL alliance, and not just a few guys ganking you for the heck of it.0 -
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✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.
It's not uncommon to make the choice to hit the faction that's 'down' as it's easiest to get successes and make gains.
EP being sieged at Arrius by DC? Time to take that Inner Imperial keep off them!
18 siege goes up on Fort Ash by AD? Time to pull that scroll out of Glademist and run it back.
DC flipping Faregyl/Bloodmayne to grab a scroll? Time for EP to grab Alessia and/or Roebeck.
And on and on it goes.
It goes deeper than that Agrippa. We have literally watched DC stand next to EP and not attack them but actually help them overpower an AD controlled keep.
That is pretty lame if you ask me. We have also watched DC open up a keep for you and then back away before you got there. we didnt push them back, they just left. Then magically red arrives in earnest. It was your group too, you were there. And thats not me accusing you personally or anything, youre one of the few EP commanders I respect. But that is pretty fishy.
it always leaves me wondering, because I know for a fact no one I run with would even consider such a thing, we refer to you all as purple.
I believe the Blue guild you're referring to that does this is called "Your Imagination".Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!2 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭I can understand people's frustrations, but it's hardly something ZOS can do something about. You can't exactly tell hundreds of players how to fight just so everyone can have a fair experience where everything's balanced and everyone's equal.
It's not only impossible but so ridiculous it breaks intelligent people's brains.
If two alliances are working together to take a keep, then it's more AP for you. If they're working together to defend a keep, either call for more reinforcements or move on to somewhere else (either another keep or another campaign). Some campaigns will always be dominated by one side or the other, that's the nature of the world and the world of MMOs. If that isn't to your liking then either change campaigns or see yourselves out the door.
Personally, being the underdog or the outnumbered is a much better way of learning how to fight and defend with my abilities than being part of a massive group where everyone just spams abilities expecting numbers to allow them to survive. Bombing zerg trains is SO much fun!The Legendary Nothing0 -
Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.
It's not uncommon to make the choice to hit the faction that's 'down' as it's easiest to get successes and make gains.
EP being sieged at Arrius by DC? Time to take that Inner Imperial keep off them!
18 siege goes up on Fort Ash by AD? Time to pull that scroll out of Glademist and run it back.
DC flipping Faregyl/Bloodmayne to grab a scroll? Time for EP to grab Alessia and/or Roebeck.
And on and on it goes.
It goes deeper than that Agrippa. We have literally watched DC stand next to EP and not attack them but actually help them overpower an AD controlled keep.
That is pretty lame if you ask me. We have also watched DC open up a keep for you and then back away before you got there. we didnt push them back, they just left. Then magically red arrives in earnest. It was your group too, you were there. And thats not me accusing you personally or anything, youre one of the few EP commanders I respect. But that is pretty fishy.
it always leaves me wondering, because I know for a fact no one I run with would even consider such a thing, we refer to you all as purple.
I believe the Blue guild you're referring to that does this is called "Your Imagination".
You realize you have a blue just two posts above your reply here admitting there has been collusion, right?@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
Ebonheart Pact: Lyzara Dionysis - Sorc - AR 37 (Former Empress of Blackwater Blade and Haderus) == Shondra Dionysis - Temp - AR 23 == Arrianaya Dionysis - DK - AR 17
Aldmeri Dominion: Rylana Dionysis - DK - AR 25 == Kailiana - NB - AR 21 == Minerva Dionysis - Temp - AR 21 == Victoria Dionysis - Sorc - AR 13
Daggerfall Covenant: Dannika Dionysis - DK - AR 21 == The Catman Rises - Temp - AR 15 (Former Emperor of Blackwater Blade)
Forum LOL Champion (retired) == Black Belt in Ballista-Fu == The Last Vice Member == Praise Cheesus == Electro-Goblin1 -
FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »maxilaub17_ESO wrote: »Before I begin, understand this is not a blatant accusation or to be taken as "everyone is doing it" but...
DC/EP could you be a little more subtle with your obvious alliance against AD?
Sure weve seen you guys fight, sometimes, but there have been a number of occasions where it is blatantly obvious y'all are ganging up on the underdog faction here.
We dont have half the numbers either of you have, so what gives man?
Wow, human nature is so self centered that we regularly make fictitious assumptions to rationalize our failings or simple coincidental bad breaks....
Just yesterday on DB our group leader was whining that AD and EP were obviously working together against DC; I couldn't tell him different as I can't tell you. People see what they want and ignore the truth rather than look to themselves to explain their own poor performance or misfortune.
It's not uncommon to make the choice to hit the faction that's 'down' as it's easiest to get successes and make gains.
EP being sieged at Arrius by DC? Time to take that Inner Imperial keep off them!
18 siege goes up on Fort Ash by AD? Time to pull that scroll out of Glademist and run it back.
DC flipping Faregyl/Bloodmayne to grab a scroll? Time for EP to grab Alessia and/or Roebeck.
And on and on it goes.
It goes deeper than that Agrippa. We have literally watched DC stand next to EP and not attack them but actually help them overpower an AD controlled keep.
That is pretty lame if you ask me. We have also watched DC open up a keep for you and then back away before you got there. we didnt push them back, they just left. Then magically red arrives in earnest. It was your group too, you were there. And thats not me accusing you personally or anything, youre one of the few EP commanders I respect. But that is pretty fishy.
it always leaves me wondering, because I know for a fact no one I run with would even consider such a thing, we refer to you all as purple.
I believe the Blue guild you're referring to that does this is called "Your Imagination".
You realize you have a blue just two posts above your reply here admitting there has been collusion, right?
Are you using my statement as a basis to argue with and therefore validating what I say to be truthful and accurate? Its about time!1 -
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✭✭✭✭If you don't like the fact that two factions can work together even the slightest bit against the third faction, you really have chosen the wrong game to play.2 -
Limitless✭✭✭Factions will always team up (Knowingly and not) against the biggest threat on the map.
Last night (7/11/14) AD had half the map to themselves and instead of pushing up on DC (who is winning btw) They decided to attack EP, which the DC were already attacking.
No faction is better than the other, we're all part of the same cesspool.
I don't know how many times I'll have to say this before it actually gets through to people.Ebonheart Pact
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✭It's called diplomacy. If such a thing is happening the two sides obviously feel it necessary. My impression is that AD is larger on virtually every campaign which makes them a target for treaties like this. Shrug. If the player base would quit AD *** we'd likely see less of such things.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This is horrible! It's like if the British had allied with the Soviets during a war. That would never happen in real life and it shouldn't happen in a game!
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✭✭It's called diplomacy. If such a thing is happening the two sides obviously feel it necessary.Actually, seems rather realistic to me. History classes. They are good for something!dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »You can't exactly tell hundreds of players how to fight just so everyone can have a fair experience where everything's balanced and everyone's equal. It's not only impossible but so ridiculous it breaks intelligent people's brains.
Agreed, this is a (somewhat) complex medieval siege warfare simulation, not FPS team deathmatch. An important part of the game for many of us is the interaction between guilds and alliances in the three faction system.
Edited by IcyDeadPeople on July 13, 2014 1:34PM0
