Valn wrote: »

But I thought I could play the way I want?

Seriously.. Does this card even hold value anymore?

Yes it was a change that I wish did not occur, but instead od of standing at the wall looking at the rangers fight.. Go around back and gank the player supply line. There are other means of action during a keep battle. Look for them

Valn wrote: »

Attacking/defending a keep now is essentially a 100% ranged battle because DKs can no longer pull people off the walls, which means people can now stand wherever the hell they want on the walls without fear of being pulled down.

What if my build doesn't have ranged abilities? What if there are too many siege weapons up? Do I just stand there and do nothing now??? Let me guess, tell me to choose another build? But I thought I could play the way I want?

Nice one Zenimax.

No! Nice one DK players who abused the skill by pulling enemies up onto keep walls to get around breaking down walls.
Dont blame Zenimax for fixing something your fellow players abused. Blame your fellow DK players for exploiting the skill.

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

What if my build doesn't have ranged abilities? What if there are too many siege weapons up? Do I just stand there and do nothing now?

that is exactly what my duelwield nightblade has been doing prety much 90% of the time while i wait for the wall to fall down and then once the wall is down i can then wait some more till every one is inside and then i sneak in behind them and try to assassinate people i catch that are not looking in my direction. infact i speand alot of time just standing around because of my class's inabilities and weakness that cant compete with your dragonight class.
welcome to a small taste of the nightblade world and daily life since launch and long ago even in beta.

I like what you did there.

Maximis_ESO wrote: »

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

What if my build doesn't have ranged abilities? What if there are too many siege weapons up? Do I just stand there and do nothing now?

that is exactly what my duelwield nightblade has been doing prety much 90% of the time while i wait for the wall to fall down and then once the wall is down i can then wait some more till every one is inside and then i sneak in behind them and try to assassinate people i catch that are not looking in my direction. infact i speand alot of time just standing around because of my class's inabilities and weakness that cant compete with your dragonight class.
welcome to a small taste of the nightblade world and daily life since launch and long ago even in beta.

I like what you did there.

The only way for them to truly balance all classes is to give them all the same abilities..... which makes no sense because everyone will then use the same OP abilities. The game is made for people to have weaknesses and made for people to be able to always counter another build.

Why quote me?

Get some siege weapons and fire back.

Get a resto staff, learn how to heal.

Use "Inner Light" and Detection Potions to patrol the siege area for stealthers.


Lots of things you can do, you just can't cheat people off walls anymore.

Valn wrote: »

What if my build doesn't have ranged abilities?

Erm....get some ranged abilities? Just a thought

Hilgara wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

What if my build doesn't have ranged abilities?

Erm....get some ranged abilities? Just a thought

You mean staff and dress.

PlagueMonk wrote: »

All melee players, really? I'm a full melee NB and find myself very busy in keep def/taking. In fact I get great enjoyment in knocking walls down, AoEing a pile of idiots who decided to clump up and then watch them scatter like ants, oil dumping and watching entire groups fall over dead......You could also grab a bow if you want to do some ranged damage.

As others have also stated there is usually the odd ganker trying to flank your siege so you could guard them or look for the enemy.

And I actually found that DK ability annoying. I, as A NB, cannot TP up to attack (even if in range) so why should you be able to drag someone down?

This man speaks the truth.^

If you can't do melee without a pull that's definitely your issue.

Whatever you say, the change is stupid.

One more less fun mechanic.

There were solutions to prevent exploiting this ability (like allowing only down pulling, not up), but you have to put more wits to implementing it.

This will not stop people from aiding the attackers, players will find another thing to exploit, as it was already said in this forum.

I dont see a problem with pulling people off of walls in the first place. If people have methods of snagging you off a wall cause you're too far over the edge, they should be able to.

The people that exploited to pull people UP the walls. Are exploiters, period. they're going to find some other way to exploit. They always will, they've proven this time and time again. it wasnt the skill itself that was expoitive, it was people using them to exploit by being on opposite sides of one another and helping them.
(which is something have been saying since beta that exploiters would do)

In all practical and normal circumstances, an enemy being pulled UP a keep wall would have 1 of 2 things happen.

1= Die a quick death.
2 = manage to delay those that were defending on the wall long enough and advert thier attention to the offenders attacking.

So it would usually be discouraged because its risky but not all that impactful. And anyone that would pull an enemy or enemies UP a wall would be deemed as fools.

I hate when skills and builds and such thats uniquely utilized for its utility is changed like this. There were surely better methods to combat this exploitive behavior.

And the reason why NB teleport cant go up is because otherwise, every night blade in the attacking offense would just teleport up and be instantly inside the keep. Pulling down just means that one persons fate is sealed to die in the army below. No biggie.

A whole army of night blades below able to breach any keep wall at any moment a person is standing at the top? No. Thats common damned sense.

Just put the fire rune in your skill bar and you can still make people go away from the walls !