well that explains the messed up auction house system.
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Store updates: anyone in your alliance can browse your guild store in Cyrodiil if your guild owns a keep.
Traders: The Gold Coast Trading Company will establish kiosks throughout the cities of Tamriel. The merchants running the kiosks can be hired by guilds on a weekly basis (via auction) to act as a portal to their guild’s store, which can be browsed by any player in the guild’s alliance. Auctions use a blind bidding process and are held once a week per merchant.
ok the first one means that 1. the buyer and sellers will have to goto the pvp zone. and hope that you goto the right pvp instance (a 1 out of 9 chance) and then go to one store your clan has control of (and x out of x chance) for someone to buy what you are selling. and hope out of that work the price is right.
the second one means that the clan has to bid on the right to sell in the city. which mean that i can see what they are sell at and then sell mine in zone chat for cheeper and that clan get screwed twice.
so these coming changes mean that it is still more efficient to pick 1 zone per faction and spam zone chat with WTS and WTB.
Traders: The Gold Coast Trading Company will establish kiosks throughout the cities of Tamriel. The merchants running the kiosks can be hired by guilds on a weekly basis (via auction) to act as a portal to their guild’s store, which can be browsed by any player in the guild’s alliance. Auctions use a blind bidding process and are held once a week per merchant.
ok the first one means that 1. the buyer and sellers will have to goto the pvp zone. and hope that you goto the right pvp instance (a 1 out of 9 chance) and then go to one store your clan has control of (and x out of x chance) for someone to buy what you are selling. and hope out of that work the price is right.
the second one means that the clan has to bid on the right to sell in the city. which mean that i can see what they are sell at and then sell mine in zone chat for cheeper and that clan get screwed twice.
so these coming changes mean that it is still more efficient to pick 1 zone per faction and spam zone chat with WTS and WTB.
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Wut? You'll be able to go to any Cyrodiil campaign and go to any keep that is owned by a guild in your faction and use their store to buy stuff.ok the first one means that 1. the buyer and sellers will have to goto the pvp zone. and hope that you goto the right pvp instance (a 1 out of 9 chance) and then go to one store your clan has control of (and x out of x chance) for someone to buy what you are selling.
Conversely, anyone in your faction will be able to buy your stuff if your guild owns a keep.
That really isn't all that bad ...
;-)Edited by SirAndy on July 9, 2014 5:29AM9 -
Wolfshead✭✭✭✭Well to be honest i would still want to see a real AH which all 3 factions to buy from that would make economy a lot better for whole game but maybe kiosks thing will work out as well but to bad small guild with less the 50 people will never have chance to trade there thing with other through kiosks so i guess i will still use zone chat for WTS and WTB anyway
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Zorrashi✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't say its more 'efficient' to spam zone chat. The kiosks and Cyrodil stores offer a way to access a broader public buyer-base.
In a sense, it offers both PvE and PvP oriented guilds a chance to disperse their wares across a broader market that still keeps the whole guild store feel.
Some of your concerns only seem to apply when you are looking for a specific guild store when you can probably make a deal within the guild stores available within each individual campaign.
As for the one regarding the kiosk 'price lowering' where you basically lower the price of an item based on its listing...I'm pretty sure it will be insignificant in the long run. Guilds by themselves cover a broader width of zones and items, being able to attain mats and other items from completely higher/lower level zones much faster than you can. Even if you were able to beat them on prices regarding regional mats or something, fact of the matter is, the guild's store probably has a lot more items of value than an individual player does.
This may not be as good as an AH, but it is an improvement to the guild store system, and one that was needed in imho.5 -
tuckerpb2✭✭✭ok let me see if i can make it easier to understand. the shops in the pvp zone. it is like having 9 different malls in 9 different towns. and unless you use alts you can access 3-4 every 24 hours. each mall have what 20-30 stores. that are constantly changing ownership at random times. no real consistency.
the pve one. your guild has to win a secret bid. which means unless your guild is able to make that money back you guild will not break even. so all i have to do is goto there shop. check there prices and then stand next to there shop and spam chat with lower prices.4 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭Agree, OP. PvE only players may be quite upset at having to join PvP to shop.
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Forcing PVEers to PVP is BAD, forcing them to do it simply to trade is positively asinine.
Wut? You'll be able to go to any Cyrodiil campaign and go to any keep that is owned by a guild in your faction and use their store to buy stuff.ok the first one means that 1. the buyer and sellers will have to goto the pvp zone. and hope that you goto the right pvp instance (a 1 out of 9 chance) and then go to one store your clan has control of (and x out of x chance) for someone to buy what you are selling.
Conversely, anyone in your faction will be able to buy your stuff if your guild owns a keep.
That really isn't all that bad ...
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Just as bad as forcing PVPers to have to do PVE content to level up viably.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on July 9, 2014 7:06AM12 -
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rynth✭✭✭✭✭Woah now, lets just wait till it appears in PTS before you go making judgements eh?
come on your making sense there, shame on you for making sense. Your going to send all those table top crusaders, martyrs, blubbering sniffling kids in a great big confusing tizzy using logic like that
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Sindala✭✭✭✭✭And what happens if I, a player not in a guild but in the same faction, bid on an item and then said guild faction loses control of the keeps in Cyrodil.
At the moment this can happen within a few hours with the wall hacks going on.
Do I lose my bid?
And how long are the auctions live for? Do I have to wait a week before I even see if I have won the item I bid on?
And why for [snip] sake wont they just admit they were wrong and put normal auction houses ingame like everyone has asked for.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on July 14, 2014 3:28PMBeing First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.5 -
Dayv✭✭✭✭What a useless, half-arsed non-solution. I'm not going to bother going to Cyrodiil to check for stuff in a store that won't be any better than the worthless trading guilds I'm in, especially when it's a gank trap.9 -
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✭And why for [snip] sake wont they just admit they were wrong and put normal auction houses ingame like everyone has asked for.
Agreed !
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Wut? You'll be able to go to any Cyrodiil campaign and go to any keep that is owned by a guild in your faction and use their store to buy stuff.ok the first one means that 1. the buyer and sellers will have to goto the pvp zone. and hope that you goto the right pvp instance (a 1 out of 9 chance) and then go to one store your clan has control of (and x out of x chance) for someone to buy what you are selling.
Conversely, anyone in your faction will be able to buy your stuff if your guild owns a keep.
That really isn't all that bad ...
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Yes it is. If you want to buy something, some materials for example, presumably at a competitive price.
Do you want to have to go all the way into cyro, port to a keep and search just one guild store, via addon presumably which takes time, even if it works for stores you are not in a guild of. Then port to another keep and check the price and so on. Meanwhile another faction is bashing down the door or you cant port out as the link got broken, and then you have to either ride and fight your way out or suicide. Just to buy something ! Its bonkers!!
Or would it be better to ride your pony into town, go into an AH and see all the materials you want in one place and make your purchase in a matter of minutes.
And then the other thing. rent a kiosk for a week ! And then you have to run around all of these as well. And if trading guild leaders didn't have enough on their plate with keeping the guild alive and recruiting etc then now have to rent via some sort of auction.
bonkers bonkers bonkers
At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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✭ok let me see if i can make it easier to understand. the shops in the pvp zone. it is like having 9 different malls in 9 different towns. and unless you use alts you can access 3-4 every 24 hours. each mall have what 20-30 stores. that are constantly changing ownership at random times. no real consistency.
the pve one. your guild has to win a secret bid. which means unless your guild is able to make that money back you guild will not break even. so all i have to do is goto there shop. check there prices and then stand next to there shop and spam chat with lower prices.
good explanation.
^ that is insanely complicated and the end result is still only giving windows into the overall economy.
It sounds like a bunch of people have sat around a table trying to think of ever increasingly complicated and ingenious ways to give tiny increments to accessing the marketplace, on top of an already complicated and limited system.
It creates monopolies and limits those that don't have access to big guilds or successful pvp guilds.
When actually an AH wold be a simple solution that would give everyone access to the whole market.
I just want to sell my stuff and buy other stuff I don't want something that is even more complicated than doing a raid !
Edited by martinhpb16_ESO on July 9, 2014 11:02AMAt least the spelling is difficult for you.
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Wut? You'll be able to go to any Cyrodiil campaign and go to any keep that is owned by a guild in your faction and use their store to buy stuff.ok the first one means that 1. the buyer and sellers will have to goto the pvp zone. and hope that you goto the right pvp instance (a 1 out of 9 chance) and then go to one store your clan has control of (and x out of x chance) for someone to buy what you are selling.
Conversely, anyone in your faction will be able to buy your stuff if your guild owns a keep.
That really isn't all that bad ...
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You would still have to zone hop though for it.1 -
Unless one is able to access the stores while NOT in the PvP zone I would find it a bit of an issue. I don't want to have to run a gauntlet for some spidersilk or something.
Also would you have to be IN some guild or another to access it or just that faction?
i am willing to wait and see before completely skewering this but those are the issues I am seeing based on the information at present.Edited by kassandratheclericb14_ESO on July 9, 2014 11:37AM3 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭Reading comprehension is something that should have a higher priority in schools everywhere in the world...
Why would I say such a thing? Because so few people seem to have an acceptable level of it.
Here's what I mean (From July 8 The Road Ahead, what the comments above were motivated and inspired by........):
"•Store updates: anyone in your alliance can browse your guild store in Cyrodiil if your guild owns a keep.
•Traders: The Gold Coast Trading Company will establish kiosks throughout the cities of Tamriel. The merchants running the kiosks can be hired by guilds on a weekly basis (via auction) to act as a portal to their guild’s store, which can be browsed by any player in the guild’s alliance. Auctions use a blind bidding process and are held once a week per merchant."
I propose that comments should be more thoroughly thought-out before posting (that goes for the entire forums). Or at least reflect a higher level of attention to detail and nuances of meaning.
P.S. ZOS's official response to this: "And why for [snip] sake wont they just admit they were wrong and put normal auction houses ingame like everyone has asked for[?]"
....has either gone unnoticed, or comprehension is to blame again. Or maybe the pervasively pesky penchant of people to instinctively abhor that with which they are unfamiliar is the ignoble culprit.
So here's another chance to turn the light-bulb on:
ZOS has said (paraphrased): they do not want a "normal" global auction house system because it allows players to avoid challenging or unique or even important content, or otherwise legitimately earning hard-to-achieve, rare, or special items, simply by waiting for them to show up on the global auction house.
"But who cares?!!" you surely cry.
Well, a global auction house greatly increases the chances of these types of items showing up, in bulk, at increasingly low prices. Since they would also be readily accessible to virtually any- and everyone, the AH would effectively render the content, intended challenge, unique experience, careful design, and/or special nature of acquiring such desirable items moot, much faster and to a much greater degree, while also promoting the exponential acceleration of adopting lazy and exploitative play-styles, which cheapens the experience for players who actually earn these types of items and equipment.
In other words, it is done on principle, something regrettably and increasingly neglected these days; the tragic victim of the seemingly inexorable smothering forced upon it by the disreputably mindless pursuit of immediate gratification.
And despite the way many of you clearly feel, it's also done for your benefit: to promote and support the enjoyment, sense of accomplishment, and right-to-pride that legitimately earning prized items should provide to you, the honored player.
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✭✭Reading comprehension is something that should have a higher priority in schools everywhere in the world...
Why would I say such a thing? Because so few people seem to have an acceptable level of it.
Here's what I mean (From July 8 The Road Ahead, what the comments above were motivated and inspired by........):
"•Store updates: anyone in your alliance can browse your guild store in Cyrodiil if your guild owns a keep.
•Traders: The Gold Coast Trading Company will establish kiosks throughout the cities of Tamriel. The merchants running the kiosks can be hired by guilds on a weekly basis (via auction) to act as a portal to their guild’s store, which can be browsed by any player in the guild’s alliance. Auctions use a blind bidding process and are held once a week per merchant."
I propose that comments should be more thoroughly thought-out before posting (that goes for the entire forums). Or at least reflect a higher level of attention to detail and nuances of meaning.
P.S. ZOS's official response to this: "And why for f**k sake wont they just admit they were wrong and put normal auction houses ingame like everyone has asked for[?]" has either gone unnoticed, or comprehension is to blame again. Or maybe the pervasively pesky penchant of people to instinctively abhor that with which they are unfamiliar is the ignoble culprit.
So here's another chance to turn the light-bulb on:
ZOS has said (paraphrased): they do not want a "normal" global auction house system because it allows players to avoid challenging or unique or even important content, or otherwise legitimately earning hard-to-achieve, rare, or special items, simply by waiting for them to show up on the global auction house.
"But who cares?!!" you surely cry.
Well, a global auction house greatly increases the chances of these types of items showing up, in bulk, at increasingly low prices. Since they would also be readily accessible to virtually any- and everyone, the AH would effectively render the content, intended challenge, unique experience, careful design, and/or special nature of acquiring such desirable items moot, much faster and to a much greater degree, while also promoting the exponential acceleration of adopting lazy and exploitive play-styles, which cheapens the experience for players who actually earn these types of items and equipment.
In other words, it is done on principle, something regrettably and increasingly neglected these days; the tragic victim of the seemingly inexorable smothering visited upon it by the disreputable pursuit of immediate gratification.
And despite the way many of you clearly feel, it's also done for your benefit: to promote and support the enjoyment, sense of accomplishment, and right-to-pride that legitimately earning prized items should provide to you, the honored player.
The pros of no auction house clearly out weigh the negatives
[Moderator Edit: Edited quote from moderated post.]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on July 14, 2014 3:34PMYou earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points4 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭Reading comprehension is something that should have a higher priority in schools everywhere in the world...
Why would I say such a thing? Because so few people seem to have an acceptable level of it.
It all depends on how it's been wrote. You may read it differently than I do but that doesn't mean I am wrong, it just means it was wrote to ambiguous.
English is great for that, being able to write paragraphs that mean nothing.
*coughs and clears throat*
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate.
This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished.
However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.
*breathes*
That is English but I very much doubt many people would have a clue what he was saying
Remember English isn't everyone's 1st language either.
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭I wouldn't say its more 'efficient' to spam zone chat. The kiosks and Cyrodil stores offer a way to access a broader public buyer-base.
In a sense, it offers both PvE and PvP oriented guilds a chance to disperse their wares across a broader market that still keeps the whole guild store feel.
Some of your concerns only seem to apply when you are looking for a specific guild store when you can probably make a deal within the guild stores available within each individual campaign.
As for the one regarding the kiosk 'price lowering' where you basically lower the price of an item based on its listing...I'm pretty sure it will be insignificant in the long run. Guilds by themselves cover a broader width of zones and items, being able to attain mats and other items from completely higher/lower level zones much faster than you can. Even if you were able to beat them on prices regarding regional mats or something, fact of the matter is, the guild's store probably has a lot more items of value than an individual player does.
This may not be as good as an AH, but it is an improvement to the guild store system, and one that was needed in imho.
Good post Zorrashi!
***"Some of your concerns only seem to apply when you are looking for a specific guild store...when you can probably make a deal within the guild stores available within each individual campaign."
Heh, ZOS better start putting in some tutorials, I'm thinkin' what you just wrote there may not be as transparent to some people as to those of us who deal. I know plenty of people who ONLY buy/sell/know how to/don't want what they consider the 'hassle' of dealing with more than one...they will cite that it eats up too much of their time and it isn't 'fair' if they end up having to deal with more in various campaigns etc, *nods.
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You have 5 guild slots.
In order to post stuff in the auction house you have to be in a guild.
You choose to not be in a guild.
Sounds like your choices cause you problems.
That is generally how the world works for us grownups - our choices, our consequences.
Wheter you can access these stores while not in a guild:
Who knows? This is only a road ahead post and about 75% of the posters did not bother to read it properly. Chances are it is not going to be a problem.
Unless of course you are really, really, REALLY trying to make it a Problem (like not wanting to be in ANY guild, at all). Then of course you will find a way to make it one.
Or it does mean you did read it wrong.Reading comprehension is something that should have a higher priority in schools everywhere in the world...
Why would I say such a thing? Because so few people seem to have an acceptable level of it.
It all depends on how it's been wrote. You may read it differently than I do but that doesn't mean I am wrong, it just means it was wrote to ambiguous.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MetaphoricallyTrueThe appropriate response to "That was true from a certain point of view" is usually, "On the other hand, from another certain point of view, it was a blatant lie."
Of course that could have been avoided in the first place by anyone linking to the original post. But I guess even the OP knew that his interpretation would not hold up to such scrutiny.
Here is the actuall post:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/118516/the-road-ahead-july-8Elana Peterson (EU), Dominion, Imperial Sorc, Rune & Alchemy Crafting Char
Leonida Peterson (EU), Daggerfall, Kajiit Nightblade, Tank & main Crafter
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✭✭The actual problem is that only those in high end trading guilds will be able to trade using the system provided. Everyone else, still has to spam the chat channels.
With the update you can only buy, but honestly who wants to buy all the time? Money must be made as well to buy stuff and I for sure would need to sell first before I can buy.
Yet this wont work unless I join one of these guilds which most likely will demand a high entry fee, maybe its even a chance for third party trade networks to open their stores like that in game...
In my opinion ZO didn't think this through at all, its so exploitable and doesn't has any use for the average joe who is not in a guild that can afford a kiosk.4 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭Reading comprehension is something that should have a higher priority in schools everywhere in the world...
Why would I say such a thing? Because so few people seem to have an acceptable level of it.
It all depends on how it's been wrote. You may read it differently than I do but that doesn't mean I am wrong, it just means it was wrote to ambiguous.
English is great for that, being able to write paragraphs that mean nothing.
*coughs and clears throat*
Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate.
This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished.
However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.
*breathes*
That is English but I very much doubt many people would have a clue what he was saying
Remember English isn't everyone's 1st language either.
1. Alliteration does not meaning lose simply by use of its virtue, only misuse.
2. Nice attempt at misdirection and/or avoidance.
But I think it's pretty clear my post takes aim at more than a few native English speakers in this thread, not so much the OP, who appears to, perhaps, be the only non-native English speaker here. As well, this should also be made obvious by the fact that, wonder-upon-inexplicable-wonder and very much to the OP's credit, he is one of the very few people posting in this thread who interpreted the Road Ahead passage more correctly.
(All this, of course, assuming "he" is the subject of your unspecified pronoun and mystery English-as-a-2nd-language figure.)
3. It's a shame that, given #2, said diversionary tactic was born and executed without merit.
4. I suspect reading comprehension is still a problem here.Edited by Omnevolus on July 9, 2014 1:53PM3 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭The actual problem is that only those in high end trading guilds will be able to trade using the system provided. Everyone else, still has to spam the chat channels.
With the update you can only buy, but honestly who wants to buy all the time? Money must be made as well to buy stuff and I for sure would need to sell first before I can buy.
Yet this wont work unless I join one of these guilds which most likely will demand a high entry fee, maybe its even a chance for third party trade networks to open their stores like that in game...
In my opinion ZO didn't think this through at all, its so exploitable and doesn't has any use for the average joe who is not in a guild that can afford a kiosk.
^^^
Probably the most solid points made in this discussion. Besides mine, of course!
Fine, I admit, blunt might be a better adjective. Edited by Omnevolus on July 9, 2014 1:50PM4 -
Emperor✭✭✭✭I actually like that Zenimax is being creative with how players sell and buy stuff. It adds to the RPG feel of this game. Having an auction house where you can unrealistically buy and sell everything to everyone is just lazy.
Set up a store in Cyrodiil and sell stuff to players running through. Hire merchants to sell your stuff for you. Meet players along the way that have that rare item you have been looking for. These are all great compared to just instantly having whatever you want and instantly selling anything you don't.
But then again... look who I'm talking to. Everyone wants everything instantly. They don't want to work for anything... sigh, bring on the flame war that I will get for this post![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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