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Kicked from pug trial group for my playstyle...
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✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
I would, If I was in a group and playing a DPS role. Bit of a traditionalist though, caster = cloth (IMO)
Edited by Phantax on July 8, 2014 7:18PMHigh Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
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Redlag✭✭✭Having a heavy armored player being able to do as much DPS as a light armored player would just break the game further. Then why would anyone wear light armor? Heavy armor wearers should be able to take more damage but do less damage. It's only fair.
Agreed, and light armor shouldn't mitigate with armor buffs like a heavy wearer. You can't even get into how broken this game already is without writing an essay on the synergies of light with staffs and class skills.
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Valn✭✭✭✭✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
which is why its zenimax's fault that heavy armor dps users are at a disadvantage because light or medium is required. we all know heavy armor has the least dps, but for a boss in trials to have a dps check means heavy armor people get the shaft.
"play the way you want" my arse
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✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
which is why its zenimax's fault that heavy armor dps users are at a disadvantage because light or medium is required
For once I can't disagree with you !High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
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Brandoid✭✭✭I haven't started trials yet but have been hardcore raider for a decade and a few things concern me.
1. Nobody knows any real theorycrafting around these encounters yet.
2. We cannot at this time judge someone dps. There is no way of knowing OP dps not like wow where we can see the metre
3. The ONLY way 1 player can be impacting a group on a dps check boss is if the group is bad - that is say there 8 dps and u need 4800 dps . If you only pull 300 and your group fails that means your group was bad not just you. Again if the group was geared they could have carried the drop on a particular encounter - perhaps the next requires melee.
These points led to the conclusion that OP was scapegoated by a pseudo elitist who organised a pug and downed two bosses the all of a sudden it's - THAT ONE'S fault we died.
Sad methinks
All you need to know.Brandoid - Templar - Ebonheart Pack2 -
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✭✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Is it really?
ESO offers everyone multiple specs, if you don't rush and actually did the quests in old VR (not sure if you still get enough xp in the new version to level skills up?) you had at least two specs ready at VR 12.
I as example play medium / light and staff with second spec sword / shield. My other char is prolly going bow as off spec.
As far I can tell, everyone has the chance to play in a more suited spec, this is by the way also what the Devs said about Vet content and what they also said about trials and dungeons.
While its obsolete now at the Vet content, it still seems to apply for trials and dungeons so I would recommend to at least use two specs, they even have a weapon swap for this.
This however wont change the DPS checks or achievements checks, but it lets your work better in a group environment.
I don't want to beat the dead horse here, but by playing through the VR zones everyone must have noticed this huh? Some specs work just better than others in specific situations.
What this exactly means those who do trials frequently can explain better, some already mentioned the enrage on the third boss, I would take their advice to get further in the game.2 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Is it really?
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Yes. It's zenimax's fault that magicka users are better dps than stamina users.1 -
Oberon✭✭✭✭Let's boil down what happened in this case:- The raid leader saw 2-handed + heavy armor on one of his dps players
- He was very polite and used private whispers, not calling you out in /raid and making it into general raid drama
- He wanted more raid dps out of his raid
- He was right about 2-handed + heavy: it's terrible dps
Does this mean that you're forced to run a spec that has better dps? Well, if you want to run in a pug, yes it does. As it stands currently, stamina builds are just bad. That isn't your fault, but that's how it is. The ZOS dev team is very inexperienced and just blew the design for stamina dps. There's no other way to put it.
With luck, they will rectify their mistakes soon (before the patient game bleeds out and simply dies on the table). If/when that happens, hopefully stamina builds will be useful again, and we can run whatever we like and deal sufficient dps to warrant a spot on a raid team even if our builds aren't the same as everybody else's (light armor + staff, which is without any question whatsoever the way to go currently).
The recent slight change to medium armor was somewhat helpful, but it wasn't enough to make medium armor useful over light + staff. Another mistake by the dev team--it's all about the math, and the math continues to support light armor and magicka-based skills. Heavy armor is flat out useless for a dps build.....an unfortunate reality of the design.1 -
Kulthax✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Welcome to the WoW genre. A few guys crunch numbers show the world how they're suppose to play the most efficiently. Most "elitist" guilds search out the internet, copy the first ones doing it (builds and videos of where to stand etc). Act like they invented it and demand it. All the while never realizing they're just imitating.
Kind of like never fighting in the civil war, but 200 years later reenacting it over and over. Guild A is filled with number cruncher and theorists.. They figure out light armor and staffs are the best route. They get the best time. Guild B, C, D, E,F,G,H....XYZ.. say oh no, we can get the best time. Were the best. But yeah, we'll use your set up because obviously we see its the best. Then they commence to reenacting what they know works.
Which in this game is wearing the same gear. Using the same weapons. Pushing the same buttons. OHHHH!!! We beat your time by two seconds!!
Anyone who doesn't want to adhere is a bad.
Thats not the issue . the trials are not doable with the current limitations on Heavy medium/melee weapon builds. Do you know what a DPs check is? well the trials are full of them. All the builds for all the classes that use Heavy / medium and melee weapons are not able to make them. they are several hundred DPS behind the caster builds. So its not really an elitist attitude its a submission to ZOS design partner. If the content is not Doable unless XYZ build is used in this case all caster Destro/reto swap builds in light armor. then its not really the communites fault its the imbalance and untested end game thats at fault.
I agree with what you're saying but FFS doesn't anybody play this game for fun?
Personally I couldn't give a f*ck if I complete the trial in 1st or 101st place and I'll be honest I haven't even done a trial.
If this is seriously how we as players think, you can shove the trials where the sun don't shine ! ! !
F•U•N all you elitists ... go look it up !
You need to read the OP before posting. It was not a issue chasing times, the raid was wiping plain and simple
The raid was wiping but you are doing the same thing as the raid leader. You assume that it was the OPs fault since visually he appeared to not be toting the light armor and staff line.
How does the group go from beating 2 bosses to wiping on the 3rd and it suddenly is the fault of the heavy armor person? Hell, at this point it could have been anyone for any number of reasons. To say it was the person wielding a 2h sword and wearing heavy armor is a cop out and wrong.
Because the third boss is the DPS check?
Really? Each boss is a DPS check. Each boss gets tougher progressively and to state it is 1 person holding back the group is ludicrous.
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Orizuru✭✭✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Welcome to the WoW genre. A few guys crunch numbers show the world how they're suppose to play the most efficiently. Most "elitist" guilds search out the internet, copy the first ones doing it (builds and videos of where to stand etc). Act like they invented it and demand it. All the while never realizing they're just imitating.
Kind of like never fighting in the civil war, but 200 years later reenacting it over and over. Guild A is filled with number cruncher and theorists.. They figure out light armor and staffs are the best route. They get the best time. Guild B, C, D, E,F,G,H....XYZ.. say oh no, we can get the best time. Were the best. But yeah, we'll use your set up because obviously we see its the best. Then they commence to reenacting what they know works.
Which in this game is wearing the same gear. Using the same weapons. Pushing the same buttons. OHHHH!!! We beat your time by two seconds!!
Anyone who doesn't want to adhere is a bad.
Thats not the issue . the trials are not doable with the current limitations on Heavy medium/melee weapon builds. Do you know what a DPs check is? well the trials are full of them. All the builds for all the classes that use Heavy / medium and melee weapons are not able to make them. they are several hundred DPS behind the caster builds. So its not really an elitist attitude its a submission to ZOS design partner. If the content is not Doable unless XYZ build is used in this case all caster Destro/reto swap builds in light armor. then its not really the communites fault its the imbalance and untested end game thats at fault.
I agree with what you're saying but FFS doesn't anybody play this game for fun?
Personally I couldn't give a f*ck if I complete the trial in 1st or 101st place and I'll be honest I haven't even done a trial.
If this is seriously how we as players think, you can shove the trials where the sun don't shine ! ! !
F•U•N all you elitists ... go look it up !
While I agree with the sentiment you expressed, you are actually being slightly hypocritical by trying to dictate to others what constitutes having fun.
To a hardcore raider, wiping over and over without making any progress in a raid is usually not their idea of fun.
I think the core problem here is everyone wants to play their way, but when you are in a group I don't think it's outlandish for the group to expect you to be able to perform the role you are recruited to fill in the group.
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭this is why I don't pug. I would rather fail with friends (regardless of class and gear) than win with arseholes.6
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Resolve = 7% damage reduction is nothing in VR PVE dungeons 7% of a 3k hit is nothing Healers don't even notice the difference honestlymike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Wifeaggro13 wrote: »LOL im offended , but not really i have a static though most quit due to the imbalances. We dont do trials anymore as there is no real reward for them the gear is aesthetic .
But i have a heavy wearing DK . and out of curiousity what acheivements do you have as a trial leader. Ive a couple, and all the working achievements in the VR dungeons as tank and heals including speed runs. Anyhow i am more then willing to put a group together and decimate every single VR dungeon on both chrs and you can see there is literally no difference in amount of damage i take as a heavy wearing DK or light armor sorc tank. The armor mitigates nothing its the armor number and i can be 1200 past armor and spell resist cap with two buffs. actually the sorc handles spell damage way better.
Let's see, well for one you said armour is useless outside of stat pools. That's completely ignoring all the passives and especially the ones useful to the tank which are to a) receive more healing and b) to reduce the cost of blocking c) faster health regen. The resource pools that suffers most when tanking is not magicka, or in fact health, it's stamina.
Secondly, as a DK you have only Razor Armor and naked with Razor Armor you only move past the soft cap for 3.5 secs. You cannot keep casting Razor Armor every 4 secs in a fight so that's pretty much wrong. Heavy Armour plus Razor Armour puts you near the hard cap where you have to be for boss fights like Hel Ra.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest that tanking in Light Armour is far superior to tank in Heavy Armour as you so confidently said. What you are doing is DPSing between bosses which is not tanking. I prefer to press one pre-programmed button to go full light when DPSing and another button to go 5H/2L for boss fights.
You can say you like being a versatile tank, or a lazy tank who can't be bothered to make/swap gear. But you can't say that tanking in Light Armour is better than Heavy. That's the ignorant part
Compared to
Evocation 21% reduction cost of magica abilities.
Constitution = increased recovery 28% only works out of combat just minimizes down time .
compared to
light Recovery 28 % recovery just reduces down time not relevant in combat .
Juggernagut = Increased weapon damage of 3.5 %. no one is using melee weapons as DPs anyhow if you want to complete VR dungeons or trials. SNS is good for tanking and mitigation.
compared toLight armor Spell warding 8% spell resistance per piece 56% resistance lol . Id say juggernaught is completely useless passive honestly
Bracing = 10 % reduced cost of blocking with 5 pieces the only time this is relevant is bosses that one shot with a heavy hit most spell projectiles ignore blocking very few VR bosses does this come into play and honestly it is pretty worthless with Pots anyhow.
compared to
Prodigy = 10% chance increased critical damage. well id say in a sustained fight this here makes the difference in a huge way.
LOL now this one makes me laugh real hard
Rapid mending = 3.5% additional healing for a full 7 pieces of heavy. Seriously every single healer i've had on both my light armor tank and my heavy tank prefer the 50% spell resistance of light armor over a additional 3.5 % healing i'm over healed anyhow.
Nothing in heavy is even remotely equal to light armor. if you think 3.5 % healing is making hel ra doable i dont know what to say. Spike armor will keep you easily 300 to 400 above cap for 20 seconds. if you cant manage that in a rotation as a tank oh well . you dont mitigate anything past that anyhow go look at the parse videos of people posting the incoming damage. the amount of damage mitigated at cap and beyond is minimal very minimal.
As i said my sorc mitigates way better then my DK because of spell resistance physical damage is the same my sorc is 1200 past armor cap in light . i dont think you could Trail naked but quite a bit of the Vr dungeons are doable if your skilled. As i stated the down fall would be your stat pools. If you require proof ill gladly take yoou through any of the VR dungeons of your choice with both Tanks and you can see for yourself. if your past has had experience with bad light armor tanks it comes down to skill and knowledge i suspect they would be bad in heavy as well. Facts are facts Armor type does nothing for mitigation its the armor value and you can easily exceed armor cap with any class in light. Go take a look at that Alacrity Video the whole damn raid even tank was in light with a staff. 13 minute complete time. jesus man are you gonna just ignore facts numbers and proof and call me ignorant? im offering to help you and prove to you so you know the truth and can make informed decisions on how to improve your chr,Passives affect DPS and stat poolsfar more then survivability.Edited by Wifeaggro13 on July 8, 2014 8:03PM3 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »Welcome to the WoW genre. A few guys crunch numbers show the world how they're suppose to play the most efficiently. Most "elitist" guilds search out the internet, copy the first ones doing it (builds and videos of where to stand etc). Act like they invented it and demand it. All the while never realizing they're just imitating.
Kind of like never fighting in the civil war, but 200 years later reenacting it over and over. Guild A is filled with number cruncher and theorists.. They figure out light armor and staffs are the best route. They get the best time. Guild B, C, D, E,F,G,H....XYZ.. say oh no, we can get the best time. Were the best. But yeah, we'll use your set up because obviously we see its the best. Then they commence to reenacting what they know works.
Which in this game is wearing the same gear. Using the same weapons. Pushing the same buttons. OHHHH!!! We beat your time by two seconds!!
Anyone who doesn't want to adhere is a bad.
Thats not the issue . the trials are not doable with the current limitations on Heavy medium/melee weapon builds. Do you know what a DPs check is? well the trials are full of them. All the builds for all the classes that use Heavy / medium and melee weapons are not able to make them. they are several hundred DPS behind the caster builds. So its not really an elitist attitude its a submission to ZOS design partner. If the content is not Doable unless XYZ build is used in this case all caster Destro/reto swap builds in light armor. then its not really the communites fault its the imbalance and untested end game thats at fault.
I agree with what you're saying but FFS doesn't anybody play this game for fun?
Personally I couldn't give a f*ck if I complete the trial in 1st or 101st place and I'll be honest I haven't even done a trial.
If this is seriously how we as players think, you can shove the trials where the sun don't shine ! ! !
F•U•N all you elitists ... go look it up !
While I agree with the sentiment you expressed, you are actually being slightly hypocritical by trying to dictate to others what constitutes having fun.
To a hardcore raider, wiping over and over without making any progress in a raid is usually not their idea of fun.
I think the core problem here is everyone wants to play their way, but when you are in a group I don't think it's outlandish for the group to expect you to be able to perform the role you are recruited to fill in the group.
Yes I may have been a little judgemental, but the premise I was trying to get across is this is a game. Hell we are supposed to having fun. If some people are getting so stressed and worked up over a game, maybe they should find another hobby ! High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
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Elencha✭✭✭This kind of ridiculousness is why I don't (and won't) do any content that requires more than my boyfriend and myself. You guys can keep the MMO crap. I wish I might go about worrying about whether or not how I choose to play a video game is good enough to play with some e-peen stroking yahoo on the internet. I'll admit, though, they almost had me curious about the trials... Almost... This sort of thing is just confirmation that even if they were set entirely in the Shivering isles and awarded an account wide 50% boost to experience gain, they still wouldn't be worth the effort.3
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭It's just basic logic that if Heavy Armor shouldn't be viable for dps builds then Light Armor shouldn't have the mitigation that it does.
I would be perfectly comfortable with Heavy only being for tanking if anyone in mostly light armor got one or two shotted by pretty much everything after level 30 or 40 if they wind up in melee range.
And make it so you have to be wearing 5 or more pieces of an armor type to be able to use the active ability.Edited by Fleymark on July 8, 2014 8:05PM2 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭This kind of ridiculousness is why I don't (and won't) do any content that requires more than my boyfriend and myself. You guys can keep the MMO crap. I wish I might go about worrying about whether or not how I choose to play a video game is good enough to play with some e-peen stroking yahoo on the internet. I'll admit, though, they almost had me curious about the trials... Almost... This sort of thing is just confirmation that even if they were set entirely in the Shivering isles and awarded an account wide 50% boost to experience gain, they still wouldn't be worth the effort.
With good people they are fun. Even if you wipe. In fact learning them and wiping all night is the most fun I had doing them. Its just not easy to find 12 like minded people in ESO. No reward is worth stressing over every foot you put wrong.2 -
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✭This kind of ridiculousness is why I don't (and won't) do any content that requires more than my boyfriend and myself. You guys can keep the MMO crap. I wish I might go about worrying about whether or not how I choose to play a video game is good enough to play with some e-peen stroking yahoo on the internet. I'll admit, though, they almost had me curious about the trials... Almost... This sort of thing is just confirmation that even if they were set entirely in the Shivering isles and awarded an account wide 50% boost to experience gain, they still wouldn't be worth the effort.
This is why you need a good guild and community so you dont have to deal with it. its the best part of MMO's making frinedships that span years and mutiple games.2 -
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✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
which is why its zenimax's fault that heavy armor dps users are at a disadvantage because light or medium is required. we all know heavy armor has the least dps, but for a boss in trials to have a dps check means heavy armor people get the shaft.
"play the way you want" my arse
To be fair though, it should only take you 5 minutes of reading the passive abilities to know that heavy armour is only good for tanking.
I'd see play as you want as totally accurate for solo play. For end game group challenges, you would have to have utterly no experience of MMO's, to expect to be able to effectively fill a role playing with any set up you want.
You can't play the group healer on a night blade with sword and shield, why should you be able to Dps in heavy armour. There are limitations which are obvious to anyone that reads the abilities descriptions.
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But thats the rub Heavy is not good for tanking matter o fact the way armor mitigation works its actually a hinderancekkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
which is why its zenimax's fault that heavy armor dps users are at a disadvantage because light or medium is required. we all know heavy armor has the least dps, but for a boss in trials to have a dps check means heavy armor people get the shaft.
"play the way you want" my arse
To be fair though, it should only take you 5 minutes of reading the passive abilities to know that heavy armour is only good for tanking.
I'd see play as you want as totally accurate for solo play. For end game group challenges, you would have to have utterly no experience of MMO's, to expect to be able to effectively fill a role playing with any set up you want.
You can't play the group healer on a night blade with sword and shield, why should you be able to Dps in heavy armour. There are limitations which are obvious to anyone that reads the abilities descriptions.
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Elencha✭✭✭@Hilgara Yeah, that's what my boyfriend keeps saying. Frankly, though, even he mutters about people not knowing how to play and being idiots, he just doesn't do it with his mic turned on. It is my belief that, no matter how nice a person may or may not seem, everyone at least thinks disparaging things about those they see as less skilled than themselves.
@Wifeaggro13 Don't get me wrong, he talked me into joining his guild and they are among the coolest bunch of people you will ever meet, but, because they are, I wouldn't subject them to my "inferior" playstyle and thereby force them to decide between being nice to me and speaking their minds.
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
which is why its zenimax's fault that heavy armor dps users are at a disadvantage because light or medium is required. we all know heavy armor has the least dps, but for a boss in trials to have a dps check means heavy armor people get the shaft.
"play the way you want" my arse
To be fair though, it should only take you 5 minutes of reading the passive abilities to know that heavy armour is only good for tanking.
I'd see play as you want as totally accurate for solo play. For end game group challenges, you would have to have utterly no experience of MMO's, to expect to be able to effectively fill a role playing with any set up you want.
You can't play the group healer on a night blade with sword and shield, why should you be able to Dps in heavy armour. There are limitations which are obvious to anyone that reads the abilities descriptions.
You are correct, but the problem is light armor doesn't suffer from proportional limitations.
In fact, and I could be mistaken, but the last time I checked in a comparison of what light does for magicka dps vs what medium does for stamina dps the percentage numbers are higher on some or all of the passives on light.
Everybody talks about these balance issues like there is some voodoo necessary to accomplish some insurmountable task. It's really simple, start by bringing everything in line. LOL3 -
Mescalamba✭✭✭I have only suggestion, if you dont want to be like generic plebs, then simply (probably not so simply) find a guild for yourself, with likely minded fellows.
There are some still..
Its not purely ZoS issue, that people are what they are, they just encouraged it, thats all.Proud owner of personal vampire and werewolf army (4 werewolves/4 vampires)..
I'm also using large doses of irony and sarcasm.
Plus Im mean person, cause I really dont have reason to like you. Or anyone.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So the OP is at fault because he chose a Tank setup for his DPS character. That's fair...ish. But kicking him is pretty bad group dynamics. This is all just sad.
Any of you guys want to join me in a melancholy remembrance of the days when we thought ESO was going to make traditional group roles obsolete? The days when hybrid playstyles were going to be totally viable? Ah, those heady early days when the forums had threads like "Tanks are Irrelevant in ESO" and "4 DPS Best for Group Dungeons?"
*Whistful sigh*"A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle4 -
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✭Wifeaggro13 wrote: »[
But thats the rub Heavy is not good for tanking matter o fact the way armor mitigation works its actually a hinderancekkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »The 3rd boss (The Wispmother) is a dps check so you should know that heavy armor isnt the way to go for dps as things stand atm.
which is why it's zenimax's fault....
Not really. Heavy armour can't ever give the same Dps as light or no one would wear light.
which is why its zenimax's fault that heavy armor dps users are at a disadvantage because light or medium is required. we all know heavy armor has the least dps, but for a boss in trials to have a dps check means heavy armor people get the shaft.
"play the way you want" my arse
To be fair though, it should only take you 5 minutes of reading the passive abilities to know that heavy armour is only good for tanking.
I'd see play as you want as totally accurate for solo play. For end game group challenges, you would have to have utterly no experience of MMO's, to expect to be able to effectively fill a role playing with any set up you want.
You can't play the group healer on a night blade with sword and shield, why should you be able to Dps in heavy armour. There are limitations which are obvious to anyone that reads the abilities descriptions.
I didn't say it was the best for it, just that's the only thing it's good for.
They need to stop people using the armour abilities unless you have at least 5 pieces of that armour on.
Also mitigation in this game is to low, heavy should give 50%. Medium 25% and light 10%, with spells only able to add 10% more. With that change heavy is the best for tanking.Edited by Guppet on July 8, 2014 8:37PM1 -
Not going to read past time trials/stam build. This is a l2p the zeni way. The group spelled out exactly what your issue is and you decided to come here and post. Very simply the leader has to look at what is best for the timed run and you are playing a broken build that they have to carry. Honestly if you wait for zeni to fix anything you may never see end game. My suggestion to you is to listen and learn. Unfortunately you can not play the way you want and be competitive.4
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reggielee✭✭✭✭the group leader was being polite and taking the time to explain in detail what alot of groups want for that part of eso grouping. I give credit to that since most pugs would have lol'd and noobed ya to death before kicking without a word otherwise.
I dont agree with it, but you can start your own group yourself and make sure no one is kicked for their build ehMama always said the fastest way to a man's heart is through his chest.2 -
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Or unsub until they address the issueNot going to read past time trials/stam build. This is a l2p the zeni way. The group spelled out exactly what your issue is and you decided to come here and post. Very simply the leader has to look at what is best for the timed run and you are playing a broken build that they have to carry. Honestly if you wait for zeni to fix anything you may never see end game. My suggestion to you is to listen and learn. Unfortunately you can not play the way you want and be competitive.
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✭✭✭✭IWifeaggro13 wrote: »Welcome to the WoW genre. A few guys crunch numbers show the world how they're suppose to play the most efficiently. Most "elitist" guilds search out the internet, copy the first ones doing it (builds and videos of where to stand etc). Act like they invented it and demand it. All the while never realizing they're just imitating.
Kind of like never fighting in the civil war, but 200 years later reenacting it over and over. Guild A is filled with number cruncher and theorists.. They figure out light armor and staffs are the best route. They get the best time. Guild B, C, D, E,F,G,H....XYZ.. say oh no, we can get the best time. Were the best. But yeah, we'll use your set up because obviously we see its the best. Then they commence to reenacting what they know works.
Which in this game is wearing the same gear. Using the same weapons. Pushing the same buttons. OHHHH!!! We beat your time by two seconds!!
Anyone who doesn't want to adhere is a bad.
Thats not the issue . the trials are not doable with the current limitations on Heavy medium/melee weapon builds. Do you know what a DPs check is? well the trials are full of them. All the builds for all the classes that use Heavy / medium and melee weapons are not able to make them. they are several hundred DPS behind the caster builds. So its not really an elitist attitude its a submission to ZOS design partner. If the content is not Doable unless XYZ build is used in this case all caster Destro/reto swap builds in light armor. then its not really the communites fault its the imbalance and untested end game thats at fault.
I agree with what you're saying but FFS doesn't anybody play this game for fun?
Personally I couldn't give a f*ck if I complete the trial in 1st or 101st place and I'll be honest I haven't even done a trial.
If this is seriously how we as players think, you can shove the trials where the sun don't shine ! ! !
F•U•N all you elitists ... go look it up !
While I agree with the sentiment you expressed, you are actually being slightly hypocritical by trying to dictate to others what constitutes having fun.
To a hardcore raider, wiping over and over without making any progress in a raid is usually not their idea of fun.
I think the core problem here is everyone wants to play their way, but when you are in a group I don't think it's outlandish for the group to expect you to be able to perform the role you are recruited to fill in the group.
Yes I may have been a little judgemental, but the premise I was trying to get across is this is a game. Hell we are supposed to having fun. If some people are getting so stressed and worked up over a game, maybe they should find another hobby !
This is a little funny, in a thread 9 pages long with a large portion of them calling the group leader and elitist snob and other fun names, simply because he removed some one from his group, you are telling others to relax and not get so stressed over a game.
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