Are you happy with the change to VR content?

polar · July 2014

Yes

Ok. I have now played after the patch and I can say that I am really happy with the change. Now, I am not an Destro Staff/Light Armor player. I am a stamina build bow/DW NB.

I played through some quests tonight, took on a few bosses, and had a lot of fun doing it. Challenge was still there. I beat trash mobs readily- as I should. When I hit the quest boss, he took me 4 tries and I finally got him. I think ZOS got it right on this one. It was really fun to play in the VR zones. Now, some people are making some pretty outrageous claims about how easy it is now. I guess it is possible that some areas are more nerfed than others and I just didnt get to the really nerfed area (I only played in VR2 and VR4 zones in Cadwell's Silver). Another explanation could be that people are just making stuff up to complain

You know what else? There were quite a few more in the zone than I have seen in the past. They too were having a good time.

Thank you ZOS for making a good change!

Qyrk · July 2014

No

I actually did the whole vet zones from the two alliances pre-nerf and it was really challenging. The fun was in the challenge part, and the fact that I have to think of the tactics or really get some help. This allowed me to learn different playstyles - all through vet content, I leveled pretty much every weapon that is not destro/resto staff.

But it doesn't matter now anyways. Announcing that I did this pre-nerf does not add value whatsoever, but at least I felt accomplished.

Mede · July 2014

No

Syntse wrote: »

Mede wrote: »

NO...

It should be challenging! It's more fun... When they make these changes to difficulty (and sometimes raise xp), it's a SLAP in the face to the ppl who fought through it... who earned it..

So what do you care if you have already done it the hard way? You wanted challenging, you got challenging, you did it challenging. Just add to your signature that "I did veteran leveling before nerf" so everyone will know your great accomplishment.

Very funny... I'm currently lving a seccond char to 12 and not liking this at all. Never had any probs with V1-12, I simply don't see how or why ppl struggle.. it's already easy, to make it even easier makes it boring ^^

But my biggest problem with this, is that changes like this and changes like "double xp" in certain areas IS a big slap in the face for ppl who already done it...

Ser Lobo · July 2014

Yes

Mede wrote: »

Syntse wrote: »

Mede wrote: »

NO...

It should be challenging! It's more fun... When they make these changes to difficulty (and sometimes raise xp), it's a SLAP in the face to the ppl who fought through it... who earned it..

So what do you care if you have already done it the hard way? You wanted challenging, you got challenging, you did it challenging. Just add to your signature that "I did veteran leveling before nerf" so everyone will know your great accomplishment.

Very funny... I'm currently lving a seccond char to 12 and not liking this at all. Never had any probs with V1-12, I simply don't see how or why ppl struggle.. it's already easy, to make it even easier makes it boring ^^

But my biggest problem with this, is that changes like this and changes like "double xp" in certain areas IS a big slap in the face for ppl who already done it...

I have worked harder with my bow nightblade than someone with their sorcerer. Buff my class (making it easier to play) slaps me in the face?

I ground out hour upon hour in quests. Adding experience gains from grinding mobs slaps me in the face?

Oh, I paid 20k for my last bank upgrade. Making bank space cheaper slaps me in the face?

Seems to me, for them to make any improvements to the game, I'm gonna have one very sore face.

OtarTheMad · July 2014

Yes

I must say that I am excited to get my other character back into the VR zones. People can say no they don't like it all they want but honestly the VR zones were basically a ghost town and it was impossible to find people to do dolmens or public dungeons or whatever... now... just today it was easier to find people to do Dolmen's with, the zone chat was active and you could also fairly easily find people to do World Bosses with... it was a nice change I think... for both the players who wanted the change and just the game overall. No one wants the VR zones to be a ghost town, it hurts ZOS for the VR zones to be as empty as they were.

I enjoy a challenge don't get me wrong but this was needed. I am sorry for those who thought that it was already "easy" but the majority of people didn't think so. I was one person that was frustrated that the mobs hit harder and had more health than most of the bosses, it was annoying and usually lead to people just sneaking around them. Even ZOS admitted that they made it harder so in VR zones it would "encourage" people to group... I guess it's nice to level a character without being forced to group to finish stuff.

themizario · July 2014

Yes

I'm having lots more fun now.

Welid · July 2014

Yes

The once who are saying "No, we are not happy with the changes" are the very players who reached v12! Pointing out how awesome they are because they did it the hard way. I say "Good for you" now, let us solo players who after hard days work don't want to sit through intensive game play just to prove we know how to waist our energy resource on pointless gaming. Gaming is meant to be fun and relaxing for most of us, not that we can't handle hard modes but it's because is boring. Doing a whole zone and have nothing to look forward to after all the hard work is pointless. Making it easy for us to get through it quicker where you can notice the speed of progression makes a lot of difference.

I would say this to those who thinks the changes to vet lvl are bad, you've had your grind now let the noob's lvl up and you will have a healthy population to enjoy the game. More importantly because you reached vet lvl12 the hard way you will have bragging rights to feel good about your self.

Nylan · July 2014

Undecided

Making an MMO easier has been a cruse to all MMO's since WoW, it ruined DAoC, EQ2 and many others. No challenge anymore, just rush in and kill everything. I loved the way it was, you could win, you just had to have a plan, not now.

Sakiri · July 2014

NerfEverything wrote: »

I would like an "Original Veteran" title for having played through the VR content as designed, before the whiners got it nerfed.

That being said, I personally do not like the changes, but I understand why others may like them.

The problem with the super easy VR levels is that you will end up with VR12s that do not have a mastery of their class, because they were able to level to the cap using a 2 skill rotation, standing in fire, never blocking.

Right now, if you group with VR12s, odds are that they aren't horrible players. They may have grinded anomalies, but for the most part they know how to block, and how to move out of the red circles.

Two weeks from now you will be grouped with VR12s trying to do VR level dungeons and getting wiped left and right because people will be playing like they did 1-50

Only if craglorn grinders dont get it.

Loco_Mofo · July 2014

No

The challenge is gone.

What's to like?

Preachan · July 2014

No

I understand people who "just play for fun", and are happy now.
I play for fun too - but the fun comes from challenge as well.
So to me, it's pretty much gone, and after seeing which direction they chose for their game, I don't care where they're heading anymore.
If it's all for the casuals who want it easy going, that's fine.
Hope they have enough subscribers and get many more, hope their plan pays out well for them. I like this game and hope it gets more successfull.
Maybe the Singleplayer TES Fans stay a bit more now, after Vet being dumbed down that hard.

I'll go back to different MMOs, because I like it challenging and hard.

Ser Lobo · July 2014

Yes

Preachan wrote: »

I understand people who "just play for fun", and are happy now.
I play for fun too - but the fun comes from challenge as well.
So to me, it's pretty much gone, and after seeing which direction they chose for their game, I don't care where they're heading anymore.
If it's all for the casuals who want it easy going, that's fine.
Hope they have enough subscribers and get many more, hope their plan pays out well for them. I like this game and hope it gets more successfull.
Maybe the Singleplayer TES Fans stay a bit more now, after Vet being dumbed down that hard.

I'll go back to different MMOs, because I like it challenging and hard.

Do you not enjoy the difficulty of Craglorn, or veteran rank dungeons? Do you not enjoy the challenge of trials? Is the accomplishment of besting other players not valuable to you?

Is the only challenge you seek the solo quest chain from VR1-VR10, alt after alt after alt? Cause if so, I wish you the best of luck.

aipex8_ESO · July 2014

Undecided

While I think they made it a bit too easy, they've got more VR changes to announce. I logged into my VR10 zone and ran a delve and bumped into other player! And zone chat seemed busier. Of course everyone else could have just been checking it out, time will tell.

Preachan · July 2014

No

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Do you not enjoy the difficulty of Craglorn, or veteran rank dungeons? Do you not enjoy the challenge of trials? Is the accomplishment of besting other players not valuable to you?

Is the only challenge you seek the solo quest chain from VR1-VR10, alt after alt after alt? Cause if so, I wish you the best of luck.

It is - and I like it.
But I enjoy challenging quests too, that's all.

Don't want to be around when the next part of this game gets dumbed down, because trials etc. were too challenging as well.

And nah, I don't do alts. Never liked to play alts in any of the MMOs I played.

Welid · July 2014

Yes

The challenge is found in end game Trials and PVP. I am sure they will add more content similar to trials or what is known as raids for end game challenge, plus you already have your vet dungeons and more challenging PVP! against smart players

I don't really get the argument that levelling has to be really challenging. It should be challenging enough to learn the class but at the same time give players the choice to quest alone. They wanted to encourage players to group up during vet questing. So Veteran lvl's were not designed for solo questing and this is the point, most of us do want to quest alone and don't want to be forced into group play through v1-v12 which was the original design.

Wolfshead · July 2014

I have not play it yet for EU server just went online just now

qiyamatawilrwb17_ESO · July 2014

No

the wall i hit was at VR10. i already did the other 2 factions 95% of the time solo. just grouping with people nearby for other stuff. i would advise against nerfing the faction content because that was part of the best aspects of the game. dont change ESO to make it easier to level ESPECIALLY when theres a dead end at endgame. players under V12 need to realise... theres no point rushing!

im not going to say nerf craglorn because i see the point of it but we do require some more endgame content for solo players like myself.
i dont have a problem grouping to do things but i dont like the fact i HAVE to group to do ANYTHING. PvP keeps me entertained somewhat but from my PoV,
content was like a sudden cliff drop at V10. perhaps if the repeatable quests gave us set gear of blue quality and up. at V12 more green crap is vendor trash. ergo, not worth doing it.

Faustes · July 2014

Yes

I support the change, and this is coming from someone who was a hardcore WoW raider in vanilla.

Leveling to max level shouldn't be "hard". Difficult content should come in the form of dungeons and raids. Also, elder scroll games are not known for their difficulty. There are far superior games out there if you want "hard" leveling content.

Rather than defeating Molag Bal and saving the world, then hit VR content and feel like a weakling who has trouble with more than 1 bandit, my character actually feels powerful now.

For those who think everything is too easy, simply handicap yourself. Remove gear, limit skills, etc...

Razour · July 2014

No

The philosophy should be: work hard; get shiney things.
What we had was: work hard; get meh.

A lot of people QQ'd that they had to work too hard but little was said about the reward side of that equation.

ZOS have jumped in with their nerf bat and rebalanced the equation.
What we now have is: press win button; get meh.

badmojo · July 2014

No

KraidenDove wrote: »

You ARE A HERO! You should not be getting destroyed by trash mobs every five seconds

A lot of us weren't getting destroyed by trash mobs. If some people were, that would indicate unbalanced classes/builds, not difficult content.

Kcttocs · July 2014

Yes

I am happy with the update. Especially being a vr3 templar majika build healer. I rolled through the vr1 level without any problems, then hit vr2 and said whoa! This ain't gonna be as easy anymore... what did I have to do? I adjusted as I do to bosses and switch to basically one attack and spam the crap out of puncturing jabs... I used to kick back and throw a spear at the archer to knock back, an eclipse at the magic user ( I love that spell), and throw down a healing circle what ever, but after vr2 I couldn't afford to waste majika,they were hitting me way to hard, so I adjusted and would run up to the group make sure all three where in my cone and spam, spam, spam Sweeping Jabs, and hope that I killed them before I ran out of majika.. It worked and I died very few times, but felt I was a one trick pony. Now I can start using more of my repertoire again, not to mention I can start leveling my mage guild spells that I neglected for way too long. Kinda bummed I spend gold on a custom set of new vr3 light armor that gave me more of a health buff because I hadn't heard about the nerf to the vr content till after I spent 11k. But I am a happy now that I can explore different ways of killing and staying alive rather than spamming my sweeping jabs, that was just plain NOT FUN.

Speaking of Sweeping Jabs, I was so happy when they changed it in the previous update to allow it to regen health, but again, vr2 content made it a race to DPS between me and them because of how hard they hit. I was deathly afraid to hit vr3 level... Now a happy camper...

I don't claim to be awesome at my Templar, and I've heard we are the weakest of the group, but I have fun playing the game, and plan my attack most of the time. I find it tedious getting a group together a lot of the times. I have a rather long friend list but I play at different times and have to quit sometimes without much notice, (kids & wife stuff) so I hate getting a group and having to bail... I haven't done PVP yet, but I plan to after I finish the main content.. I do understand the hard core players that really like the challenge, but the darn group dungeons IMO are a challenge, the bosses are a challenge and the Dolmens are a challenge unless with a large group. So I feel it was a good move...

And to all the folks who completed to VR12 the hard way without leveling from Craglorn, my hats off to you and I hope you can get a title that says you are the man

, but I doubt

sorry.

SantieClaws · July 2014

Yes

Yes - if it means I am not constantly frustrated with VR content and find myself not giving up every 3 minutes and going back to levelling my alts.

I'm a bow using NB on my main and I was finding it impossible to progress at VR3.

Now hopefully I can go back and see how she does and I might last longer than a minute or two.

Tannakaobi · July 2014

Yes

Aye, I was slowly getting through the VR content with my DW/Bow Nightblade. Now I perceive I will be V12 in next to no time and actually enjoy PVP, maybe even level another Alt to try out...

Oh, and my Bow suddenly has a use again other than to just knock targets away.

Happy days!

TehMagnus · July 2014

No

I'm allready VR12, I had to waste hours and sweat & tears to get to VR12. Why should it be easier for lazy people?

Melufey · July 2014

Yes

magnusnet wrote: »

I'm allready VR12, I had to waste hours and sweat & tears to get to VR12. Why should it be easier for lazy people?

Reminds of the stories of my grandfather:
In my time i had to walk every day 30 kilometers to school. Thereby i had to fight wolves, snowstorms, the neighbours from the other village. And i was nearly naked. And i had to wear a giant rock on my head at the same time.

Valid argument. :-D

Estin · July 2014

A couple of weeks ago

"Veteran content is too difficult and so much of grind for its kind of difficulty. I am a V6 (insert class) and had to avoid combat almost the whole time. Please ZOS, lower the difficulty, it's driving players away!"

Now

"This was a terrible update. You've done the complete opposite of what we complained for. Why don't you focus on the more important things like making my templar 2x stronger than a DK or a Sorc. You guys don't know how to make a game. At least I'm proud to say I got through the V1-V2 zone before this update and can now call people scrubs for playing this game. I am cancelling my sub for the 15th time and will resub once you make the difficulty 2x harder than is was before with 1/4th of the original xp."

Razour · July 2014

No

Melufey wrote: »

Reminds of the stories of my grandfather:
In my time i had to walk every day 30 kilometers to school. Thereby i had to fight wolves, snowstorms, the neighbours from the other village. And i was nearly naked. And i had to wear a giant rock on my head at the same time.

Valid argument. :-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo&feature=kp

Melufey · July 2014

Yes

@Razour‌
Thanks for the laughter at this rainy morning. Aaaah, brilliant show. :-D

TehMagnus · July 2014

No

Melufey wrote: »

magnusnet wrote: »

I'm allready VR12, I had to waste hours and sweat & tears to get to VR12. Why should it be easier for lazy people?

Reminds of the stories of my grandfather:
In my time i had to walk every day 30 kilometers to school. Thereby i had to fight wolves, snowstorms, the neighbours from the other village. And i was nearly naked. And i had to wear a giant rock on my head at the same time.

Valid argument. :-D

Well your grampa was a real manly man and he had prolly better health and more life skills than tose lazy people with their fancy cars.

Audigy · July 2014

No

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Preachan wrote: »

I understand people who "just play for fun", and are happy now.
I play for fun too - but the fun comes from challenge as well.
So to me, it's pretty much gone, and after seeing which direction they chose for their game, I don't care where they're heading anymore.
If it's all for the casuals who want it easy going, that's fine.
Hope they have enough subscribers and get many more, hope their plan pays out well for them. I like this game and hope it gets more successfull.
Maybe the Singleplayer TES Fans stay a bit more now, after Vet being dumbed down that hard.

I'll go back to different MMOs, because I like it challenging and hard.

Do you not enjoy the difficulty of Craglorn, or veteran rank dungeons? Do you not enjoy the challenge of trials? Is the accomplishment of besting other players not valuable to you?

Is the only challenge you seek the solo quest chain from VR1-VR10, alt after alt after alt? Cause if so, I wish you the best of luck.

There are people who have a RL, family and friends and for them trials or dungeons are not an option due the RL commitments they require.

That's why the solo and small scale group content that VR was is important, please understand this.

These people now lost their content and this needs to be fixed ASAP.