Please readjust the insane VR content nerf
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Nathano✭✭✭MeowGinger wrote: »MeowGinger wrote: »It's a 25-30% nerf for damage (using lower level armor than my own -- so even less mitigation) and a 16-17% nerf for health. Not 30-50%.
And where does these numbers come from? Various numbers get thrown around (such a shame Zenimax doesn't respond to my 'give us some numbers' questions)
They're actually my own numbers, based on my own before and after screenshots. I'm going to try another run with my current armor and see how that goes for damage, then I'll upload them somewhere if people want.
I am doing the same (before and after screenshots) but I'm EU so will have to wait before I can post the results. It will be interesting to see how they compare to the numbers that people are currently picking out of thin air
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Stamina builds are fixed now guys.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
V16 Jed I Nyte EP Stamina NB(retired)12 -
polar✭✭✭I am excited to see the effects of the nurf. For me, the vet areas just weren't that fun because I felt like it devalued the work I had put into my character. Here I was, I just beat a god... I should be one BAMF and I go to the next area and get one-hit by trash mobs. So they nurfed it now. I hope that I can again feel like a BAMF when I am in hat area.
When I want the harder challenge, I can go to Craglorn, vet dungeons, and PvP. Seems like this change may better fit the needs of a wider group of gamer.5 -
KariTR✭✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.
What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.
Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.
Pretty sure they had data to support the decision to nerf the content. After all, if you have been here since closed beta's you would see that a majority of the players stopped playing in vet areas.
They only moved to Craglorn, they did not stop
Most of them don't have the Cadwell's Gold quest achievement and still they complain about VR zone nerfs. Too funny.
The funniest are from VR12s who were carried in Craglorn by their guilds and only now are going back into VR zones to get Cadwell's Silver and Gold.
You know one of the loudest voices calling for a VR nerf didn't mind admitting he still had to reach VR zones? There are only a few candidates, do a search and find his post where he admits his highest character is level 30-something "BUT...". Then see all his posts in every "too hard" thread made going back weeks.
I doubt the guy will see L50 before he moves on somewhere else, but ZOS saw fit to cater to his ilk. Trolls won today. It is very sad.12 -
Laura✭✭✭✭✭
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I plan to, but if you are EP come to reapers march (vr10) there are a bunch of us testing it out.
Literally you will see naked people running around doing quests (or killing quest mobs). Come take a look.
I'm there killing vr 10 1 star elites on a vr 7 nightblade.
There will be several videos uploaded later today. If its still tough for you though.... i really don't know what to tell you.Edited by Laura on July 7, 2014 5:33PM6 -
dennissomb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Did not play a ton yet, was out in VR3 on VR3 NB, and did not see a huge change. Mobs take about the same amount of hits to kill, and yes I am taking less damage in some fights. I was not having any issues before patch, and not much change post patch so far. its the internet so I am guessing some of the extreme numbers and reactions are..... well you know. For me so far it seems to be a somewhat minor change (not like the mistake patch where VR mobs became uber LOL)5
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Sethyss✭✭✭Enjoying all the hysteria.
I have played through all the veteran zones through to Craglorn with my main, some parts were challenging, others not so much. Can't say I enjoyed any of it, it was just a very lazy and dull means to an end for reaching vr10 (if you choose not to farm Craglorn for veteran ranks that is).
I didn't learn much in the veteran zones apart from how to avoid fights if possible. A boring drudge for XP, prolonged by enemies that took longer to die.
If this nerf is going to make that journey quicker by making the content easier then I might consider running alts through the veteran zones. Probably not though as I don't think I can be bothered doing all of the exact same quests over again.
I bet most people that are moaning are just butthurt that they played through some of it already, and now everyone else gets to do it on easymode. All this nonsense about people not learning how to avoid red aoe, to block, roll dodge etc... please, that kind of stuff takes all of 1 minute to learn and I am sure they will the hard way when they reach Craglorn.8 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.
What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.
Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.
Pretty sure they had data to support the decision to nerf the content. After all, if you have been here since closed beta's you would see that a majority of the players stopped playing in vet areas.
They only moved to Craglorn, they did not stop
Most of them don't have the Cadwell's Gold quest achievement and still they complain about VR zone nerfs. Too funny.
The funniest are from VR12s who were carried in Craglorn by their guilds and only now are going back into VR zones to get Cadwell's Silver and Gold.
You know one of the loudest voices calling for a VR nerf didn't mind admitting he still had to reach VR zones? There are only a few candidates, do a search and find his post where he admits his highest character is level 30-something "BUT...". Then see all his posts in every "too hard" thread made going back weeks.
I doubt the guy will see L50 before he moves on somewhere else, but ZOS saw fit to cater to his ilk. Trolls won today. It is very sad.
I know that guy. Makes me wonder how many more are just jumping on the bandwagon without actually experiencing what it is they are arguing about.6 -
temjiu✭✭✭✭I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.
What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.
Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.
NO
Make the game harder for yourself if that's how you like to play.
QFT.
VR change was needed. Now they need to add in challenging content along the way to give people who like a more challenging experience the opportunity to do so. There is absolutely no reason to shoehorn people into a playstyle, as things were previously. options is the key. now that VR content is more flexible and open for play, they need to add in content AND items that provide incentive to actually work for them.2 -
ItsMeToo✭✭✭✭✭
still too tough for some of you? maybe they should have a drool cup mode for you
its ridiculous you can literally do it naked now and while you are naked its still easier than it was. I'll post a video later.
FYI - You can't get your character naked in ESO. They have underwear on.
Now if you're talking about yourself being naked while you play ESO... that's too much information.
ZOS did say, '... Play how you want...'.
Therefore, go for it. Have fun...FYI - There is no such thing as 'night capping' in a world wide MMO.FYI - There was no paid Beta. When they launched the game the Beta was over, even if you don't think it was.FYI - It's B2P not F2P. There is a difference.FYI - It doesn't take any player skill to mash keys or buttons in this game. The ones that stay alive longer have the better internet connection and speed.FYI - The game is not broken, it still works. It just has 'bugs' that need to be fixed.Balance is a "Bad" thing.
Example: There were hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith in Star Wars. The Jedi wanted, "Balance in the Force" and they got it. Now there are only two Jedi and two Sith.
Balance is a "Bad" thing.Is the glass half full or half empty?
I say, "Get a smaller glass."10 -
Denaia✭✭✭✭I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.
What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.
Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.
NO
Make the game harder for yourself if that's how you like to play.
QFT.
VR change was needed. Now they need to add in challenging content along the way to give people who like a more challenging experience the opportunity to do so. There is absolutely no reason to shoehorn people into a playstyle, as things were previously. options is the key. now that VR content is more flexible and open for play, they need to add in content AND items that provide incentive to actually work for them.
Well I am not asking for the extremely hard VR content we had before. I am asking for nerfing it less then it's now, more closely to 10% and then see how it goes. But instead they decided to do a huge nerf and not even bother seeing what the results from a smaller nerf might do. (might even have fixed the whole problem)
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Nathano✭✭✭
I'm sure there are just as many people who have struggled through VR zones hating the difficulty only to come to the forums claiming it is easy just because they want everyone else to go through what they went through.I know that guy. Makes me wonder how many more are just jumping on the bandwagon without actually experiencing what it is they are arguing about.
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MeowGinger✭✭✭The addon used is LUI. Images cropped so they wouldn't be resized as much, but guess I'm out of luck. Clicking on the image will take you to the full size uploaded on tinypic. You're looking for the red hp box provided by LUI. Sorry for small text; that's from the addon, not from me (although I am playing on a small monitor right now).
Okay. Sincano. In Silumm (in Glenumbra), VR6, 8740 hp. BEFORE:
7283 hp, AFTER:
Percent change formula:
[(8740 - 7283) / 8740 ] * 100% = 16.6704805499... % less health
This is across the board.
Bloodthorn assassin, 2582 hp, BEFORE:
Red Rook bandit, 2152 hp, AFTER:
I know these mobs aren't identical and that enemies have different amounts of health depending on their role (bandit vs enforcer, etc.), but these seem to match and I was in a rush.
Percent change formula:
[(2582 - 2152) / 2582 ] * 100% = 16.65375677769... % less healthEdited by MeowGinger on July 7, 2014 5:43PM12 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
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I bet most people that are moaning are just butthurt that they played through some of it already, and now everyone else gets to do it on easymode. All this nonsense about people not learning how to avoid red aoe, to block, roll dodge etc... please, that kind of stuff takes all of 1 minute to learn and I am sure they will the hard way when they reach Craglorn.
I'm sure they will. After all, not every v12 who ground craglorn was a scrub. Many are experienced mmo players who already know basic raid mechanics like 'get out of the fire' but with a slight twist in this case.
Bottom line is, it will be fun having more people in the zones. Although, I never had trouble meeting people there before...Edited by Shunravi on July 7, 2014 5:45PMThis one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
KariTR✭✭✭✭✭dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »Did not play a ton yet, was out in VR3 on VR3 NB, and did not see a huge change. Mobs take about the same amount of hits to kill, and yes I am taking less damage in some fights. I was not having any issues before patch, and not much change post patch so far. its the internet so I am guessing some of the extreme numbers and reactions are..... well you know. For me so far it seems to be a somewhat minor change (not like the mistake patch where VR mobs became uber LOL)
I hope this is true and you just haven't forgotten you play on the EU server.0 -
Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭wrlifeboil wrote: »I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.
What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.
Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.
Pretty sure they had data to support the decision to nerf the content. After all, if you have been here since closed beta's you would see that a majority of the players stopped playing in vet areas.
They only moved to Craglorn, they did not stop
Most of them don't have the Cadwell's Gold quest achievement and still they complain about VR zone nerfs. Too funny.
The funniest are from VR12s who were carried in Craglorn by their guilds and only now are going back into VR zones to get Cadwell's Silver and Gold.
You know one of the loudest voices calling for a VR nerf didn't mind admitting he still had to reach VR zones? There are only a few candidates, do a search and find his post where he admits his highest character is level 30-something "BUT...". Then see all his posts in every "too hard" thread made going back weeks.
I doubt the guy will see L50 before he moves on somewhere else, but ZOS saw fit to cater to his ilk. Trolls won today. It is very sad.
I know that guy. Makes me wonder how many more are just jumping on the bandwagon without actually experiencing what it is they are arguing about.
There are plenty of people raging against the nerf that admittedly haven't gotten to VR yet. In fact one of the most frequent and outspoken individuals (top 10) just admitted only a couple days ago that he wasn't VR yet and everyone was floored. I wont' mention a name because that is beneath me. But the point is that this is happening on both sides of the debate. So please stop with the remarks about bandwagons as if only one side of the debate is doing it.
In regards to the nerf, my personal opinion is that I am going to reserve judgement for a couple weeks and see how it effects guild rosters and zone population.
Edited by Alphashado on July 7, 2014 5:57PM4 -
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nicely done, thanks for the info.MeowGinger wrote: »The addon used is LUI. Images cropped so they wouldn't be resized as much, but guess I'm out of luck. Clicking on the image will take you to the full size uploaded on tinypic. You're looking for the red hp box provided by LUI. Sorry for small text; that's from the addon, not from me (although I am playing on a small monitor right now).
Okay. Sincano. In Silumm (in Glenumbra), VR6, 8740 hp. BEFORE:
7283 hp, AFTER:
Percent change formula:
[(8740 - 7283) / 8740 ] * 100% = 16.6704805499... % less health
This is across the board.
Bloodthorn assassin, 2582 hp, BEFORE:
Red Rook bandit, 2152 hp, AFTER:
I know these mobs aren't identical and that enemies have different amounts of health depending on their role (bandit vs enforcer, etc.), but these seem to match and I was in a rush.
Percent change formula:
[(2582 - 2152) / 2582 ] * 100% = 16.65375677769... % less health
Now only if ZoS put these in the patch notes.....
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onlinegamer1✭✭✭✭✭
✭MeowGinger wrote: »The addon used is LUI. Images cropped so they wouldn't be resized as much, but guess I'm out of luck. Clicking on the image will take you to the full size uploaded on tinypic. You're looking for the red hp box provided by LUI. Sorry for small text; that's from the addon, not from me (although I am playing on a small monitor right now).
Okay. Sincano. In Silumm (in Glenumbra), VR6, 8740 hp. BEFORE:
7283 hp, AFTER:
Percent change formula:
[(8740 - 7283) / 8740 ] * 100% = 16.6704805499... % less health
This is across the board.
Bloodthorn assassin, 2582 hp, BEFORE:
Red Rook bandit, 2152 hp, AFTER:
I know these mobs aren't identical and that enemies have different amounts of health depending on their role (bandit vs enforcer, etc.), but these seem to match and I was in a rush.
Percent change formula:
[(2582 - 2152) / 2582 ] * 100% = 16.65375677769... % less health
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
DATA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!!eleven!!!!!
How will people whine about the VR nerf being too much when there is data showing its only 16% ?!?!?!!2 -
eliisra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why do people who've already completed the VR content care anyway?
Agreed. I don't give a flying fudge if people can kill normal mobs with light attacks, no block and blah blah. I finished those zones ages ago. Done them on 2 characters, never going back anyway.
The only struggle in VR zones is the lack of exp, that's still there.
Just want them to fix the damn FPS (and I really want to curse in caps right now and start sieging the ZOS HQ) so people can PvP again.
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Ojustaboo✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think that the VR content was nerfed way too hard and should be readjusted. Please stop this 33 to 50% nerf and bring it back to a more normal 5 or 10% nerf. This is absolutely insane and totally ruining the game.
What is worst is that no one from zenimax has responded ever since we found out how hard the nerf was. I was always hopeful the game would get well at some point, but this is making me lose faith very very quickly. I am just sick and tired of the fact that we get 1.no information 2.lies (there would just be a readjustment that would still keep the game challenging) 3.no responses to complaints 4.it takes WAY too long to fix. And yes about point 4 I understand it's hard, but there are way too many problems that get fixed way too slowly and most likely the vr content problems we have now will never be fixed either.
Please please do something about it, I am just sick and tired of the fact that the wrong decisions are made constantly.
NO
Make the game harder for yourself if that's how you like to play.
No, Make it easier for yourself if thats how you like to play.
Change your skills, do whatever, even God forbid group up.
But don't tell me not to use skills or not to wear the armour I've crafted.
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Nathano✭✭✭MeowGinger wrote: »This is across the board.
Percent change formula:
[(2582 - 2152) / 2582 ] * 100% = 16.65375677769... % less health
Great to see someone looking at the facts rather than pulling dodgy numbers out of thin air (33-50% REALLY??).4 -
Adrastes✭✭✭lots of QQ from the l33t.
while i am allready VR12 i welcome this change. VR areas were too hard and i don't want other people struggle and not enjoy themselves like i did.Edited by Adrastes on July 7, 2014 5:51PM9 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭onlinegamer1 wrote: »MeowGinger wrote: »The addon used is LUI. Images cropped so they wouldn't be resized as much, but guess I'm out of luck. Clicking on the image will take you to the full size uploaded on tinypic. You're looking for the red hp box provided by LUI. Sorry for small text; that's from the addon, not from me (although I am playing on a small monitor right now).
Okay. Sincano. In Silumm (in Glenumbra), VR6, 8740 hp. BEFORE:
7283 hp, AFTER:
Percent change formula:
[(8740 - 7283) / 8740 ] * 100% = 16.6704805499... % less health
This is across the board.
Bloodthorn assassin, 2582 hp, BEFORE:
Red Rook bandit, 2152 hp, AFTER:
I know these mobs aren't identical and that enemies have different amounts of health depending on their role (bandit vs enforcer, etc.), but these seem to match and I was in a rush.
Percent change formula:
[(2582 - 2152) / 2582 ] * 100% = 16.65375677769... % less health
AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
DATA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!!eleven!!!!!
How will people whine about the VR nerf being too much when there is data showing its only 16% ?!?!?!!
Not to be that guy, but health doesn't really matter in the difficulty. Show me the damage so i can rage!1
