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arnaldomoraleseb17_ESO wrote: »

I agreed with Zenimax should buff stamina builds but I don't like the most of your changes. Problem isn't weapon damage, the real problem is AOEs are far better than single target skills plus you can't block them..... Skills like pulsar, dark talons, bat swarm.... make weapons skills (single target skills) simply useless.

While AOEs skills keep being so strong, stamina builds will continue being completely useless.

I think his point is to make the weapons do enough single target damage that it becomes silly to aoe a single target and more efficient to single target dps someone. Currently the aoe abilities are just as strong, even stronger in most cases than a single target ability.

I agree with block AOEs. this would stop some lame player from AOE spamming one person to death., which happens constantly. if not that, make impulse cost about 3 or 4 times as much as it does now, but increase its damage. it would still be blockable, and could take out a group, but would be expensive as heck, and could not be spammed to oblivion

leewells wrote: »

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The reason these metrics are like this is because melee weapon damage is so weak; sure the attack and abilities are only say 20 less DPS, but look at the one major advantage of a destro staff -- RANGE. ...

So then what are your feelings on Bow as a Stamina driven ranged weapon?

Bashev wrote: »

Witar wrote: »

And you definitely can block AOE. It would require to press one button though, can be difficult for someone who can't outdamage AOE with single target skills

Can you enlighten me which button should I press to block impulse?

He maybe is talking about dodge button, but I think isn't enough. Dodge is more expensive and you can't avoid dmg if you are inside AoE.

This guy should think he can dodge AoEs the same way in GW2.

Witar wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

I think his point is to make the weapons do enough single target damage that it becomes silly to aoe a single target

They do enough damage, AOE single person is silly and will lead to defeat. Unless you're a vampire with the bat swarm ultimate, but that is completely different case. And you definitely can block AOE. It would require to press one button though, can be difficult for someone who can't outdamage AOE with single target skills

You are forgetting that is possible use AoEs while blocking, so is hard outdamage AOE at this moment.


What I don't see much logic right now, the best option to do close combat is "Pulsar Spam", while warriors have to run to avoid them. The best choice for close combat should be melee weapons, not staffs!!

This is the only game where warriors are useless in melee range and still some people say it's ok. I really can't understand it.

Samadhi wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

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The reason these metrics are like this is because melee weapon damage is so weak; sure the attack and abilities are only say 20 less DPS, but look at the one major advantage of a destro staff -- RANGE. ...

So then what are your feelings on Bow as a Stamina driven ranged weapon?

When I took all the items into consideration the main metric I looked at was "is it ranged or melee" then "How many HPs does it hit for and how much does it cost?"

Most abilities in this game have a solid ratio; impulse has the same damage/cost ratio as Solar Barrage. The thing is, melee weapons do not. They are WAY lower. For instance. Look at impulse, an AOE; it costs ~200 mana and does ~500 damage to SIX targets. This damage ratio is 200:3,000 or 1:15. Look at the melee aoe, brawler. It costs 250 stamina, and does 120 damage, up to 6 targets a 250:720 ratio (25:72 just shy of 1:3). Lets look at that again; 1:15 vs 1:3.

Sadly, even the single target ratio's don't add up. Reverse Slash, costs 200 stamina and does 150 damage a 4:3 ratio, while impulse on a single target is a 2:5 ratio -- look at that again, 2:5 vs 4:3, EIGHT TIMES HIGHER than melee,single target.

As far as bows, from what I've heard, bows got a buff, and I see people using them quite a bit, which means they can't be terribly lacking, however, I do see a lot more people using fire sticks. If the bow ratios aren't in line with something in the realm of 4:3, then I would say they too need a buff. However, melee weapons should have a HIGHER ratio being as they bear the most risk to use; ie being toe-to-toe while a bow or nuke can be safely used behind a secure wall.

Witar wrote: »

Infraction wrote: »

I think his point is to make the weapons do enough single target damage that it becomes silly to aoe a single target

They do enough damage, AOE single person is silly and will lead to defeat [1]. Unless you're a vampire with the bat swarm ultimate, but that is completely different case. And you definitely can block AOE . It would require to press one button though [2], can be difficult for someone who can't outdamage AOE with single target skills [3]

1. Currently, 6 players can run up to a single player, hit impulse ONCE, and the player melts without any recourse at all. Now imagine this against 6 other players. Now imagine, impulse spamming, which requires only TWO people to hit impulse 3 times (within 2 seconds) against one player. Now, lets talk about critical rush -- say 6 players critical charge one player -- it should kill him right? Wrong -- if that one player blocks, he'll be left with about 80% of his health and still in the fight. Your math isn't adding up.

2. There is currently NO way to block an AOE except to kill the person AOEing -- if you can.

3. See above, there is no single target skill in Sword and Board, Dual Wield, or Two Handed that allows for a player to out-damage a magic AOE. None. Nada, Zero, Zilch.

Aeaeren wrote: »

"He maybe is talking about dodge button, but I think isn't enough. Dodge is more expensive and you can't avoid dmg if you are inside AoE."

Bash works also. It's not the single person who is using AoE spells people complain about, it's the zerg groups. To combat it either use range or get your own group to do it. But asking for a nerf is easier uh?

Bash only works when there is a cast time. I wasn't aware that solar barrage and impulse had one.

Aeaeren wrote: »

leewells wrote: »

1. Currently, 6 players can run up to a single player, hit impulse ONCE, and the player melts without any recourse at all. Now imagine this against 6 other players. Now imagine, impulse spamming, which requires only TWO people to hit impulse 3 times (within 2 seconds) against one player. Now, lets talk about critical rush -- say 6 players critical charge one player -- it should kill him right? Wrong -- if that one player blocks, he'll be left with about 80% of his health and still in the fight. Your math isn't adding up.

2. There is currently NO way to block an AOE except to kill the person AOEing -- if you can.

3. See above, there is no single target skill in Sword and Board, Dual Wield, or Two Handed that allows for a player to out-damage a magic AOE. None. Nada, Zero, Zilch.

You can't serious can you? I mean 2/More vs 1 YOU ARE SUPPOSED to lose! And btw Lubboard doesn't use pulsar and he kills millions by himself. I am not asking for a nerf of him whatsoever as there are ways to counter him and as long as there is a way to counter it or use it myself then I deal with it.

That's not true, I've won against 3 other VR12's when they're using something I can block. That's the point, you can block anything but a magic AOE, including 6 players critical rushing you at the same time, but you can't block or even live through a SINGLE impulse from 6 players, and that is a problem. Might I add, that I used solar barrage and impulse when those three v12's died.

Also, re-read my post as well, where I said, "now imagine this against 8 other players" which means a 6v6 where one team uses impulse, will ONESHOT the entire other team.

I have two suggestions that would help the game immensely IMO one has to do with the way damage is calculated and the other is changes to block.

Damage rant
This may sound crazy but why not Just make all abilities damage scale off weapon damage and total resources. My reasoning is this.
1) You wouldn't be punished for taking a good combination of stamina and magika based abilities.
2) You won't be punished for they type of armor you wear.
3) You won't be gimped by the weapon you choose.
4) It would encourage a more diversified gear set. More 5/2 splits
5) Enchants would actually make a difference and balancing would become important again versus just stacking one resource past overcharge.
6) Different more diverse builds would arise due to less resource restraints.

Abilities would still cost either Magicka or stamina, but the damage would scale off your weapon damage and total resource pool. This is such a simple fix and would open up so many unique builds its unreal. All you would have to do is....

- Change the 19 Magicka or 19 Stamina = 1 damage equation and make it a 40 resource of any kind = 1 damage not (sure on the exact numbers)
- The weapon damage calculations can stay the same
- Get rid of spell power or change it to crit power instead which I am in much more favor of
- Put in an overcharge on crit at 45% which imo should have been in game to begin with ( Just to be clear you can still stack crit higher with passives, stones, potions, food whatever it will just be much harder now to crit more than 60% of the time.)
- Adjust weapon damage of ranged weapons down a bit and bring resto down below that.

What do you guys think and what would you do to tweak this so it could work better.

Block rant
first, is have a debuff over time, call it fatigue, that reduces the amount mitigated by 10% every two seconds with a cap at 45%. So say you have 75% mitigation when blocking, after 2 seconds it would become 65% then 2 more seconds 55% and then 45% at 6 seconds of blocking. This would prevent players from holding block while attacking and making it function as a reactionary tool like it should. Note, this debuff would last for 2 seconds after block is released.

Second, block should function with a 270 degree front sector. Anything in the 90 degree sector behind you would still have a certain percent mitigated but not the full amount, as if you were hit from the front 270 degree sector. Also any CC applied from the rear 90 degree sector would not be blocked. Not sure on what a fair percentage of mitigation would be for attacks from the rear while blocking, but I am sure if put on the test server the community could come up with something. Maybe even offer a heavy armor perk that increases that rear 90 Degree mitigation.

Third, make blocking while moving cost stamina cause well shields ain't light. It would function similar to sneaking, but at a reduced rate. Also reduce the cost of stamina exerted after a successful block to counter the ticking down of stamina while blocking and moving.

Forth, offer a small mitigation buff after a successful block that way tanks will have the ability to weave in light and heavy attacks it could even be a 2 second or 3 second buff. This buff would cancel when the shield is raised again as to prevent stacking the buff on top of regular shield mitigation.

I would also like to add that a magical shield should not abide by the front 270 degree and rear 90 degree sector rules due to the fact they are just a buff and cannot be sustained throughout the whole fight.

Any other ideas are welcome as well as feedback. The more we can agree on a solution the better chance of getting it fixed. Block isn't broken it just needs to be made situational while offering risk and reward.

If you don't have anything nice to say please just don't reply because I really tried to think of ways to make block function as a tool and not just a button you hold down

OMG once again as it has been said over and over and over, Pulsar's with the reduce to enemies health DO NOT STACK. Meaning if 1000000000 people are all using it YOU are only being effected BY 1 and only 1 time! The issue isn't pulsar is OP it's that Stamina skills are UP. Now let's go ahead and nerf and when the zerg rolls in I want you to stand there and stop them. Pulsar is for cutting down GROUPS period. You not being in a group doesn't mean we all stop and say "Hey let's be nice and allow so and so a break because we want to fair and all" Nope I would switch to single target to cut you down faster!

I am not changing the subject at all, you are avoiding the subject really. If you want to play your way then you can play your way but understand this if you keep asking and getting these nerfs you might be playing alone more often then not. You don't want to balance anything you WANT to nerf something because YOU haven't figured out a way to counter or you expect the fights to be all even and small engagements which is HOW YOU WANT TO play. Now I disagree and prefer they quit nerfing my toon forcing me to spend gold respecing and all the other stuff that comes along with a nerf. And to want a nerf to a AoE spell that YOU HAVE access too to boot really is just the kicker. If you want improvements to Stam I am with you but I am not with you when you are asking to nerf my chosen way to play to balance them out.

Aeaeren wrote: »

I am not changing the subject at all, you are avoiding the subject really. If you want to play your way then you can play your way but understand this if you keep asking and getting these nerfs you might be playing alone more often then not. You don't want to balance anything you WANT to nerf something because YOU haven't figured out a way to counter or you expect the fights to be all even and small engagements which is HOW YOU WANT TO play. Now I disagree and prefer they quit nerfing my toon forcing me to spend gold respecing and all the other stuff that comes along with a nerf. And to want a nerf to a AoE spell that YOU HAVE access too to boot really is just the kicker. If you want improvements to Stam I am with you but I am not with you when you are asking to nerf my chosen way to play to balance them out.

WTF are you talking about? What nerfs? All I have EVER advocated for is BUFFS.

But I find it quite hilarious that you seem to indicate that if they remove impulse from the game that you believe it will be unplayable to the point of quitting. Can we say one-trick pony? Lets not take away any "I winz" buttons else mass rage quits.

Aeaeren wrote: »

I am not changing the subject at all, you are avoiding the subject really. If you want to play your way then you can play your way but understand this if you keep asking and getting these nerfs you might be playing alone more often then not. You don't want to balance anything you WANT to nerf something because YOU haven't figured out a way to counter or you expect the fights to be all even and small engagements which is HOW YOU WANT TO play. Now I disagree and prefer they quit nerfing my toon forcing me to spend gold respecing and all the other stuff that comes along with a nerf. And to want a nerf to a AoE spell that YOU HAVE access too to boot really is just the kicker. If you want improvements to Stam I am with you but I am not with you when you are asking to nerf my chosen way to play to balance them out.

I think it's easier nerf Pulsar than buff all single target skills.

I do agree with leewells, he have gave us a good information with numbers. You only don't want zenimax nerf your one button build.

"You only don't want zenimax nerf your one button build."

No actually nerf the hell out of it so we can all run around with Sword and boards because I can block all day long and not get killed. When 1 more shows up and there is a 2 on 1 fight then we need a ref to make sure only 1 attacks him at a time. Personally Pulsar ain't my spell of choice.

But my point is best describe: What is your build? Let me find the way it is OP and come here and spam it over and over until ZOS decides it's OP and needs to be adjusted. I mean they did it to bash, they have tone down DKs spells, I agreed with them on that but those adjustments didn't break or force me to change my play style. What you are asking isn't a toning down it's to BREAK a skill line because for some reason you think you should be able to survive a group rolling on you using it.

Side note:
As they haven't fixed the FPS issue I suspect you can have your small non Pulsar groups because I will one of the masses that is off to find another game to play.