I wrote this whole post about how different ESO and it was a pro-eso quest. Like how there is not yellow brick road or how there is not kill 20 rabbits in the field behind you quest. However, there are certain things that other MMOs do that should be followed. Elite or... LEET items should not be craft-able. They should be dropped from insane mobs at the end of an equally insane dungeon or quest. At best I think that insane boss should drop like "Black" upgrade rocks that is a step above yellow. ESO was trying to create a synergy between crafting and adventuring but it has not panned out.

I would have liked to see something like recipes that is required to make craft-able sets. Say you want a Hundings Rage equipment. Well you need a recipe from the boss at the end of the vet dungeon SC. You want that Arena set well you need a recipe from the boss at the end of AA. The recipe should also be limited usage. Maybe 10 usages. That brings some synergy to the dude that crafts to the dude that grinds. I don't know the drop rate or anything nor do I know the economic implication, but something like the above. Something that creates a need for players to cooperate to create epic.

For example: A bow called "Javelin" It drops only as a vr12 purple bow in AA or CoH vr12 dungeon called "Javelin's legacy" Nice purple bow but nothing too awesome about it. Then you also need to upgrade it to yellow (normal method). Then you need to get a black rock (or several black rocks) from Vet dungeons. Find a recipe titled "Gossamer's History on Javelin" in a treasure chest in craglorn (random drop). Bring all that together and you can make a bow called "Javelin" that crits every single heavy attack. Something like that... you know what I am saying!!!?

At this point there is no synergy that ESO devs talked about. It was all just hot air. Crafters craft and grinders grind. They don't need to associate with each other, other then to do business, which is like every other MMO.

Anyways, I agree with the OP. Need better loot. Would like to add need synergy between crafting and adventuring.

Elad13 wrote: »

How about giving better rewards? After all that's what people want...to feel an extreme rush of finding a super great item....This game lacks that sensation at every turn....no one cares if vet zones are harder...If the drops are worth the fight then more people would be happy to team up....don't clutter the struggling world with useless crap....like useless white items....fill it with bind on pick up or bound gold items...When a hirling brings in better drops then a storyline boss....no one wants to play. That sense of "look what I found" is not in this game at any level...other then the motif books...and that's only exciting because you know you can at least sell it to pay for repairing your armor from fighting mudcrabs.
Better rewards even yielding higher sale prices...tthat's how you excite the masses of rpg/mmo. Fill up the areas because they are worth the effort...not because you have to replay other factions....no one on this forum could say "this needs to be easier" when they get a purple or gold uncraftable styled 500 armor chest piece for the battle...or find a hidden book giving 5 skill points....or open some chest in a dungeon that pops out some awesome looking glowing effect sword doing 200 damage with a 40% critical chance.

It's not about rewards at all although better rewards will help. All my friends who I played many other mmo's out there with quit because of the horrible quest grind. Zos took out dungeon xp which would of allowed grouping fast Xp grind so ppl were forced to quest quest quest.

A lot of newer mmo's give players options on how to level, public quests, dungeons and quests which are all repeatable and give nice Xp. In eso you only got Xp the first time you do it but nothing if you help others out like dark anchors.

What I would suggest is:
1. Turn on dungeon Xp, this will encourage grouping.
2. Make dark anchors have repeatable Xp rewards.
3. Make world bosses have repeatable Xp rewards.
4. Up rewards for killing dungeons bosses, 6 gold, a soul gem and a green item isn't a reward!
5. Killing players in cyrodiil grants you Xp and gold!
6. A better pvp rank system for end game ( try copying Daoc's system, it's the best out there).

Just allowing ppl to level how they want is what ppl would like. Some want to get to end game quickly so they can pvp some want to enjoy the storyline. Choice over forced.

Opioid wrote: »

I don't think that better rewards are the answer. A broader selection of things to do at max-level and an easier leveling curve in Veteran zones could be.

This game is sorely lacking end-game activities. Cyrodiil, two Trials and one VR12 dungeon just isn't going to cut it.

Trials seem to be built around the strategy of zerg-rushing as quickly as possible to place on the leader board. End-game PVE content which you can blow through in 15-20 minutes is silly. There is no sense of progression, no sense of accomplishment for refining strategy and learning encounter mechanics. It just turns into a speed-run to get it done as quickly as possible and that's it. The fact that there is no tiered difficulty levels leads to content either being stupid easy, or ridiculously hard with no middle ground to progress through.

Only having a single VR12 Dungeon is a sad state of affairs. Granted, I think they are working on having dungeons level up based on the party leader's level so that may help somewhat.

Personally, I'm starting to get bored with ESO. I really had high hopes for this game when it was announced, and I still hope that they will develop some more engaging, longer lasting content. I just fear that it may be too little, too late.

Good MMOs don't define themselves alone by Dungeons and Raids, sorry if you have that impression after playing WOW.

What ESO needs are not more dungeons and raids, but content suited for solo and small scaled groups of 2 or 3 players and I am not talking about Dailys.

With the nerf to VR´s the content past max level is cut very short and they need to add a replacement for this ASAP else a lot people who are not hardcore and not interested in trials or dungeons will leave.

Audigy wrote: »

Good MMOs don't define themselves alone by Dungeons and Raids, sorry if you have that impression after playing WOW.

What ESO needs are not more dungeons and raids, but content suited for solo and small scaled groups of 2 or 3 players and I am not talking about Dailys.

With the nerf to VR´s the content past max level is cut very short and they need to add a replacement for this ASAP else a lot people who are not hardcore and not interested in trials or dungeons will leave.

Indeed, raids and dungeons and crap isnt going to win over the majority of players. And definetly not me. Not that I dont want raids, its just not something that will keep me interested in playing from day to day.

The main problem I have is that in ESO PvE, you're forced to group up. There are no ifs buts or maybes in ESO, you just have to. Not necessarily bad, but it just doesnt work if you dont have a decent guild (but they all left by now) or a very, very good way to bring random people together, such as the GW2 dynamic events - which are by no means perfect, but you can lazily wander into one that another player has started and have some fun. ESO doesnt have it. Its pointless to go back to low level zones and there's no point in looking forward either, because its all forced group content.

And then theres ESO PvP, ie Cyrodiil. Its suffer the exact same issues as PvE! How is that even possible?! They went way over board with the "oh you think this game has good keeps, take a look at this mofo!". Yes, the map is huge. Yes, the keeps are very impressive. Yes, that lowly camp is protected by 15 NPCs that each can nearly instakill you. Wait what? WTF why would you design it like that?!. Entire ESO PvP revolves around having a 20 man group or GTFO (or go into a dungeon and PvE). Its so stupid. Its very, very hard to get the ball rolling. Its not fun to jump into Cyrodiil for an hour in the morning just because you want to play a little while. You cant do anything of worth unless you have a 20 man raid waiting for you to join 24/7.

... There just isnt a way they can win me back. Its impossible to redesign both parts of the game at this stage.

ESO is like a seesaw in a playground where you only have one friend and he's never around. Have fun sitting there.

What I think is needed for Vet content is not so much nice loot, but rather a Vet skill system to advance your character further.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Unique rewards itemised to specific classes / roles scaled with the effort to get them are always a great incentive to play.

My motivation was always Mounts......GIVE ME MORE MOUNTS! MORE I SAY BWAHAHAHAHAHA

SFBryan18 wrote: »

No. We should get much more loot and crafting supplies, period. If you can't understand what I'm writing, just stop trying and go away. I'm allowed to have my own opinion and that opinion is that this MMO bull *** reward system is too stingy.

So, in your post above, you have complained it takes weeks to get a "golden set".

Hey, a "golden set", in case it's not evident enough, it's something beyond epic, it's legendary.

Even in dumb-easy-mode WoW, legendary items took to join a dedicated raiding guild. And even then, months and months of hard core grinding to get the required recipe and "ingots" to make the legendary... 1 (one) item!
Those who raided up to (at least) original Naxxramas like me can immediately see what I am saying.

And now, you find it preposterous to have to wait for some weeks for a whole set? What the hell are we going to see next, people screaming for whole legendary sets given running 1 daily quest?

ZOS_CatK wrote: »

Everyone, this is a reminder to keep this thread on topic and to treat each other politely. Disagreements are bound to happen if you are passionate about something but please respect each other's opinions and avoid personal attacks and derailing the thread further.

Thank you.

Back to the topic. First u fix bugs. There u will get double effect - people will not leave and u will get some old/new players. About next step in direction of changes/improvements u could introduce - tell us your plans and where game is going ( single / mmo or both ) and then we might be more helpful. For lot of people still some basic questions are open and not clearly answered from ZOS. So ball is not with us . Ball is with you ZOS.

Audigy wrote: »

Opioid wrote: »

I don't think that better rewards are the answer. A broader selection of things to do at max-level and an easier leveling curve in Veteran zones could be.

This game is sorely lacking end-game activities. Cyrodiil, two Trials and one VR12 dungeon just isn't going to cut it.

Trials seem to be built around the strategy of zerg-rushing as quickly as possible to place on the leader board. End-game PVE content which you can blow through in 15-20 minutes is silly. There is no sense of progression, no sense of accomplishment for refining strategy and learning encounter mechanics. It just turns into a speed-run to get it done as quickly as possible and that's it. The fact that there is no tiered difficulty levels leads to content either being stupid easy, or ridiculously hard with no middle ground to progress through.

Only having a single VR12 Dungeon is a sad state of affairs. Granted, I think they are working on having dungeons level up based on the party leader's level so that may help somewhat.

Personally, I'm starting to get bored with ESO. I really had high hopes for this game when it was announced, and I still hope that they will develop some more engaging, longer lasting content. I just fear that it may be too little, too late.

Good MMOs don't define themselves alone by Dungeons and Raids, sorry if you have that impression after playing WOW.

What ESO needs are not more dungeons and raids, but content suited for solo and small scaled groups of 2 or 3 players and I am not talking about Dailys.

With the nerf to VR´s the content past max level is cut very short and they need to add a replacement for this ASAP else a lot people who are not hardcore and not interested in trials or dungeons will leave.

ESO needs more dungeons and raids. Eso needs more stuff for single player guys as you are. Dont really see reason why u need to exclude someone in order to feel better. We may speak about priorities and reaching new balance but if u dont speak about those then it feels like u want to change very nature of this game. Is that what u want ?
In my opinion both worlds can work well in moment when sufficient content is in place.

Vahrokh wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

No. We should get much more loot and crafting supplies, period. If you can't understand what I'm writing, just stop trying and go away. I'm allowed to have my own opinion and that opinion is that this MMO bull *** reward system is too stingy.

So, in your post above, you have complained it takes weeks to get a "golden set".

Hey, a "golden set", in case it's not evident enough, it's something beyond epic, it's legendary.

Even in dumb-easy-mode WoW, legendary items took to join a dedicated raiding guild. And even then, months and months of hard core grinding to get the required recipe and "ingots" to make the legendary... 1 (one) item!
Those who raided up to (at least) original Naxxramas like me can immediately see what I am saying.

And now, you find it preposterous to have to wait for some weeks for a whole set? What the hell are we going to see next, people screaming for whole legendary sets given running 1 daily quest?

Probably. And they want to solo it too.

These people really need to stick to single player games and stop ruining MMOs with their solo everything ez mode BS.

Here's the thing, End game content IS the loot!

The only reason the majority would repeat content is for loot. Time trials just don't cut it, the reason? Because 95% of the player base are not going to be on the leader boards, so why bother if there is nothing in it for people.

and just so you know, before your wrath, I am not an 'end game' player. I just recognize the reasons people bother raiding and what not.

PVP is different, but loot is still important. People want something to show for there hours and hours in PVP!

Fix the lag and performance of the game and people will come back...
People will need some time there are to many right now that are really upset...

Simple solution to win back players

It's a radical Idea but....

How about giving away 3000 copies of the game AND offering FREE game time when you purchase something from the store ! ?

Nah.. you're right, nobody with any sense would do that....lol

Cogo wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Here's the thing, End game content IS the loot!

The only reason the majority would repeat content is for loot. Time trials just don't cut it, the reason? Because 95% of the player base are not going to be on the leader boards, so why bother if there is nothing in it for people.

and just so you know, before your wrath, I am not an 'end game' player. I just recognize the reasons people bother raiding and what not.

PVP is different, but loot is still important. People want something to show for there hours and hours in PVP!

End game is loot?

I am sorry my friend, but maybe you have not been in raids for REAL end game.

End game content is having the skills, team and organization to beat the hardest encounters. And do it before everyone else.

Even in WoW they had this.

Loot of course is an important part of end game.

But until you felt the rush, of, with your team, progressing for a month or more, 5 days a week, on encounters, zones or big "dragon" mobs, that everyone else calls impossible to do.....and you NAIL it.

Stating end game is loot, is 20% of what end game is.

I have done "Server first" a few times. Done "impossible" raids who got nerfed after we and other guilds managed to get em down.

Most enjoyable was Sleepers Tomb in EQ. Not only is it needed to be skillful, have a team to get all keyed to even enter that raid zone. But it droped the best gear in game, No where else to get em. And that zone had a .....twist.

There was several dragons....but if you ONCE killed them all, you did what the world needed, since dragons is a big threat. Needed to kill them and close down the place, so they cant hurt the population anymore.

The first raid, who killed ALL (they repoped once a week), closed down the zone, and saved lives.

In raiding terms. No one on that server can enter sleepers Tomb anymore.

So yes, those loot from there was important. But not as people think. By doing this, you are the heroes, wearing the treasures you EARNED, and HATED by every single raid team on the server...since the zone is not available any more.

THAT rush....and REAL achievement. That is what end game is about.

Totally agree !!!!

Wait till winter and you will have more but remember be careful what you wish for.