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Cheating Epidemic!

  • iaintoff
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    Would never have mentioned it but I was in a group last night and one person in particular was handing out the speed bug just by been in contact with him.

    I might be wrong but honestly up until last night this is something I've never seen in pvp.

    I was in aerials and all of a sudden I could run at a ridiculous rate, at first I thought was a bug, or due to lag issues of the group but after 2 mins running round like that I decided it was a cheat and relogged as that *** happened when it wAs busy and the Speed I was moving would have landed me on video record.

    It definitely wasn't the speed boost. I know in busy scenarios sometimes the speed buff animation doesn't appear but the speed I was moving was say twice as fast as buff, but could have been a bug.
    Edited by iaintoff on July 5, 2014 6:49AM
  • iaintoff
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    I mean I'm all for a group of guys getting to tether to exploit the levelling grind where possible, but using speed buff mechanics against player verses player is like having threesome with your wife and a mate.

    It's alright at the time but you don't want that *** going on when your not there..... Erm

    Actually that's not like pvp, the point Im Trying to make is player verses player cheats in pvp is just low man
  • cracker81
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    Any cheating in an mmo game is low. If someone openly admits it to me, I will report you. I don't care if you were my brother. I would most likely become violent if it was my bro and he was in range. I thought the chest thing was lag or phasing stuff. Some ppl think cheating is fine but it is not destroys the game by not being competitive on pve/pvp does not matter. If you are a cheater/hacker/adding scripts/codes to the game and your not a dev well u would be committing a crime by defacing property/value to it. Why do it?
  • ThePageMaster
    I've actually seen zero of this and I am playing daily? Where is it? I've seen the bots alright (past tense since I've not noticed them in a while) and I once saw some guys in my home zone in Cyrodiil (who I then killed because they were in my home zone and that's just common sense) but that asides I've never noticed anything else.

    Am I just Naive? if there are Guilds devoted to it...report the guild and thus by association, everyone involved in it?

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  • vmoped
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    Hey everyone,

    We are working hard to cleanse the game of any type of cheating, hacking or botting.

    First, the best way to report a cheat, a hack or a bot is to report them directly in-game. Try to provide as much detail as possible. (Is it a speed hack, a bot, in what area, at what time did you notice it ..etc)

    How would we report the speed hack gatherers we can't see? They are smart enough to teleport into scenery to collect nodes and all we experience is a disappearing node or a phantom collecting noises.

    You used to be able to report them with fastreport addon, but since the last couple of patches I can no longer get it to work. The one tool we had to combat cheaters taken away...

    My last hope will be the consoles where hopefully we see a vast reduction in cheaters. Assuming the console launch happens in my lifetime.

    Cheers!
  • Vis
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    UPDATE:

    2 days later and the scroll carrier who used the speed exploit was never banned. He was never even given a warning.

    I call [snip] on ZOS!

    You talk a lot, but your actions are weak.

    [edited for profanity bypass]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 6, 2025 6:35PM
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  • nerevarine1138
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    Vis wrote: »
    UPDATE:

    2 days later and the scroll carrier who used the speed exploit was never banned. He was never even given a warning.

    I call [snip] on ZOS!

    You talk a lot, but your actions are weak.

    Are you the account holder in question?

    No?

    Then you have no idea what action was taken against his/her account.

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 6, 2025 6:35PM
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  • Vis
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    Vis wrote: »
    UPDATE:

    2 days later and the scroll carrier who used the speed exploit was never banned. He was never even given a warning.

    I call [snip] on ZOS!

    You talk a lot, but your actions are weak.

    Are you the account holder in question?

    No?

    Then you have no idea what action was taken against his/her account.

    Unless I talked to the person.

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 6, 2025 6:35PM
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  • nerevarine1138
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    Vis wrote: »
    Vis wrote: »
    UPDATE:

    2 days later and the scroll carrier who used the speed exploit was never banned. He was never even given a warning.

    I call [snip] on ZOS!

    You talk a lot, but your actions are weak.

    Are you the account holder in question?

    No?

    Then you have no idea what action was taken against his/her account.

    Unless I talked to the person.

    Sure. People always tell the truth. Especially exploiters/cheaters. They tell the truth more than everyone else.

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 6, 2025 6:36PM
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  • Etaniel
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    This isn't a speed hack guys..... It's a game bug that can affect anyone... People don't have to install a hack to cheat, the game client does automatically for you. And the only way to get rif of the speed bug seems to be by death. If you want to report everyone who is affected by it, good luck, because you're gonna have a sh*tload, and most of them never meant to have it
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  • Vis
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    This isn't a speed hack guys..... It's a game bug that can affect anyone... People don't have to install a hack to cheat, the game client does automatically for you. And the only way to get rif of the speed bug seems to be by death. If you want to report everyone who is affected by it, good luck, because you're gonna have a sh*tload, and most of them never meant to have it

    Getting the bug is one thing. Exploiting it (i.e. using it to run a scroll across a map) is something entirely different.

    For instance, finding a way into someone's base is one thing. Using that way to camp their spawn is something entirely different.

    Using a bug (even an accidental one) to your advantage is the very definition of exploitation.

    I am surprised I need to spell out these distinctions so many times.
    Edited by Vis on July 5, 2014 11:25PM
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  • Vis
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    Vis wrote: »
    Vis wrote: »
    UPDATE:

    2 days later and the scroll carrier who used the speed exploit was never banned. He was never even given a warning.

    I call [snip] on ZOS!

    You talk a lot, but your actions are weak.

    Are you the account holder in question?

    No?

    Then you have no idea what action was taken against his/her account.

    Unless I talked to the person.

    Sure. People always tell the truth. Especially exploiters/cheaters. They tell the truth more than everyone else.

    Perhaps lying about the warning, but not about the ban (considering he is still there).

    [edited to remove quote]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on April 6, 2025 6:36PM
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  • Etaniel
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    Vis wrote: »
    This isn't a speed hack guys..... It's a game bug that can affect anyone... People don't have to install a hack to cheat, the game client does automatically for you. And the only way to get rif of the speed bug seems to be by death. If you want to report everyone who is affected by it, good luck, because you're gonna have a sh*tload, and most of them never meant to have it

    Getting the bug is one thing. Exploiting it (i.e. using it to run a scroll across a map) is something entirely different.

    For instance, finding a way into someone's base is one thing. Using that way to camp their spawn is something entirely different.

    Using a bug (even an accidental one) to your advantage is the very definition of exploitation.

    I am surprised I need to spell out these distinctions so many times.

    I totally agree, but people seem to think there's a surge of hackers in the game, when it's actually not the case. It's another broken result of a failed patch. Carrying the scroll with such a bug is of course exploiting i fully agree
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  • Vis
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    Vis wrote: »
    This isn't a speed hack guys..... It's a game bug that can affect anyone... People don't have to install a hack to cheat, the game client does automatically for you. And the only way to get rif of the speed bug seems to be by death. If you want to report everyone who is affected by it, good luck, because you're gonna have a sh*tload, and most of them never meant to have it

    Getting the bug is one thing. Exploiting it (i.e. using it to run a scroll across a map) is something entirely different.

    For instance, finding a way into someone's base is one thing. Using that way to camp their spawn is something entirely different.

    Using a bug (even an accidental one) to your advantage is the very definition of exploitation.

    I am surprised I need to spell out these distinctions so many times.

    I totally agree, but people seem to think there's a surge of hackers in the game, when it's actually not the case. It's another broken result of a failed patch. Carrying the scroll with such a bug is of course exploiting i fully agree

    We think there is a surge because there is who purposely induce the bugs for pvp. It's server by server. Come to AB NA and see for yourself.
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  • Nysticc
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    AB pvp server, when DC too the AD scroll from Kings. I honestly thought the guy was using bolt, the scroll icon on the map was moving that fast...
  • InvictoNZ
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    The in game method of reporting is stupid (am I allowed to say that this time? ban me, I dare you, sub is cancelled anyway).

    The cheating is blatant, and you allow it, and encourage it by not banning anyone.
  • Slash8915
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    I believe the "Connecticut" comment was in reference to another thread where a guy was threatening to file a class-action lawsuit against ZoS. Then one very misinformed individual came in and said that because he lives in connecticut, he can basically sue for whatever he wants and win.
  • cracker81
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    How can he see zos we are but customers at an amusement park. Now I can see zos doing something about it.
  • wraithguknub18_ESO
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    I like the ones I see such ass...

    A : Sorc hitting with FOUR crystal fragments in 1 second to insta kill 5 different people in the span of a couple of min. Everyone reported this person.

    B : A NB using 2 Snipes, 2 Venom Arrows in 2.2 seconds...guess I just havent figured this game mechanic out yet.

    C : A person in PVP running into a group of 20 people in a tower and not taking ANY damage for 20-30 seconds and killing 14 of us then dying and coming back into the room 5 seconds later...yet another game mechanic I cant understand.

    D : a group of players all on the same faction 20 or so that get 4 Negates, 4 DK standards as well as all the other crap from a 32 member group and not one of them dying or losing health and all of us dying.

    Yet again I must learn how to play this game and to understand the game mechanics because obviously I am failing.

    Can I get some help? Some lessons?

    Wait I know I just stink that bad...yeah lets go with that. :)
    Edited by wraithguknub18_ESO on July 8, 2014 2:36AM
  • kijima
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    I have a guild mate who had the speed bug. In case you don't know what that means, essentially it means you run so fast you can cover the entire map in about 2 minutes. It's so fast that you need to be careful of cliffs, that one is a bug and not a hack.

    So, it makes sense that ZOS will have to look at each case individually and see if the speed 'bug' is being used as an exploit i.e. used while being a scroll carrier, then if that's the case, use the ban stick for sure.

    i'm hoping I get the speed bug, just so I can see what it's like, I'd love to run a map in 2 minutes just for the experience if nothing else.


    Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
  • tinythinker
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    C : A person in PVP running into a group of 20 people in a tower and not taking ANY damage for 20-30 seconds and killing 14 of us then dying and coming back into the room 5 seconds later...yet another game mechanic I cant understand.

    I saw something like this over the weekend outside of a keep. Someone ran in and had over a dozen people right next to him attacking and maybe as many more using ranged attacks at a distance. No damage. Not healing quickly, not a barrier spell (no animation, no damage, and went on longer than any ability). People even dropped ultimates, health remained 100%. I have no idea if it was a cheat/intentional exploit or just some of the extra special weirdness that has been going around lately in Cyrodiil.

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  • Evandus
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    I like the ones I see such ass...

    A : Sorc hitting with FOUR crystal fragments in 1 second to insta kill 5 different people in the span of a couple of min. Everyone reported this person.

    B : A NB using 2 Snipes, 2 Venom Arrows in 2.2 seconds...guess I just havent figured this game mechanic out yet.

    C : A person in PVP running into a group of 20 people in a tower and not taking ANY damage for 20-30 seconds and killing 14 of us then dying and coming back into the room 5 seconds later...yet another game mechanic I cant understand.

    D : a group of players all on the same faction 20 or so that get 4 Negates, 4 DK standards as well as all the other crap from a 32 member group and not one of them dying or losing health and all of us dying.

    Yet again I must learn how to play this game and to understand the game mechanics because obviously I am failing.

    Can I get some help? Some lessons?

    Wait I know I just stink that bad...yeah lets go with that. :)

    Yeah, those are all possible with client hacks. A shame really...

  • Eletheia
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    I know this is an old post, but the problems that are highlighted in this thread have NOT been addressed in the pvp sphere of this game. I have read some of the posts and I am stunned to find that the problems the console players are experiencing were highlighted 2 years ago. All of the cheating, modding and hacking (and some suspect lag switching) that players were experiencing on the PC version have found their way into AT LEAST the Xbox One version. I daresay that it is not the only platform that is subject to these problems. I want to highlight here, in this post, the effect that it has on the players and the game in general. We have had a decrease of approximately 75% active membership in our guild. The 75% who no longer wish to participate in the game are fed up with the broken mechanics (not being able to cc break), the cheating, the lagging, the random dashboarding and the random loading screens that pop up while in Cyrodiil. Getting dashboarded while taking a keep usually means the endeavour is unsuccessful, and is disruptive when various members of the group return to the game to find that they have been removed from the campaign altogether because it is full. Sometimes their place to return to the campaign in the queue is 85. Very frustrating for the person trying to organize the TEAM, as well as the player who really wants to be there to assist. Those of us who try to remain in the game because of the money we have invested in the vain hopes that it MIGHT improved are disappointed on a daily basis by reading things such as new DLCs being released without addressing the bugs of the previous. Orsinium is still a no mans land, any longer than 3 minutes causes you to be taken completely out of the Elder Scrolls Game, and trying to get back in with the same character is a nightmare. And judging from the boards, and this post, items that are important and well spoken that needs to be highlighted to the developers, which can only be done through this forum, digress into gibberish and trolling. Therefore, these disenfranchised individuals feel that they have no voice and do not wish to subject themselves to the possible ridicule that they might receive. And so they leave.

    I implore the team at Zenimax to take these matters seriously. There is a mention that GMs need to be in the game, and I agree wholeheartedly. It is unfair to expect the players to police this, especially as instead of using our UNIQUE character names we create when we generate the character, our Gamertags are used. This subjects players to 'hate mail'. Most players laugh it off, but some players are threatened by it.

    This game is supposed to be enjoyable for everyone, NOT the select few who think that running around decimating everyone, ganking in Cyrodiil for their kill count, ganking in the Imperial City just to steal stones for no other reason than to stop someone else getting them or in the vain hope that someone is actually foolish enough to run around with that high number that will unlock the achievement.

    I, and many others, were led to believe that this would be a strategic, team-focussed game. Where are the achievements that promotes those aspects? Why are the developers catering to people who wish to be murdering soloists by creating ridiculous gear like the Vicious Death which goes off without a dead body nearby? Why are all the achievements based on 'wrongdoing'? Why aren't there achievements promoting teamwork? What is the purpose of taking Keeps when the only thing it does is provide a score at the end of the campaign for a random, usually non-relevant item to the character, or to put someone else into the position of emperor? Where was the thought put into the inevitable cheating that goes on when players are allowed to play more than one faction in the campaigns and allowing them to be traitor to a faction without any consequence? For instance, there have been many times when a single player has given away positions of other players within their faction to the enemy. There should have been some thought on how to deal with this, perhaps having a report player option with traitor and after a certain number flipping the persons emblem from the current faction colour to white and allowing them to be dealt with? Yes, this may be open to abuse, but there has to be a better way than allowing a whole group to fail and be slaughtered, because this is happening on a regular basis.

    If there were GMs in the game, not only would they be able to see and experience firsthand what is going on, but they would be able to assess the mood, hear the concerns/frustration/anger of players, and even gain some ideas on what might improve the game. I hear them every time I am running in a group in Cyrodiil. I hear the howls of indignant team mates who review their damage report and see two class abilities from a single individual listed there. I, myself, have done so. The unfair advantages that people exploit continuously, such as animation cancelling which locks the victim from being able to do ANYTHING. Seeing back-to-back Ice Comet from a single source. Seeing someone's health never go down or regenerate instantly to 100% despite the large amount of dps that is rained on them (the health mod). Watching people jump over the walls of a keep. Watching our stamina and/ or magicka disappear in an instant. Seeing someone bee-lining for you when you are in stealth some considerable distance away (out of potion range). These are just to name a few.

    Please, take these matters seriously. Yes, I see that there are some people who like the way the game is and are extremely resistant to having these 'advantages' removed. I suggest to you that these are the individuals who may be taking advantage of the situation. But I can assure you that a large, SILENT portion of the community who love the principle of the game but are disheartened and disappointed by it's delivery and maintenance either have, or are. considering leaving the game unless things improve. And I say to the trolls to this post that might reply, 'fine, that is their choice', they have the right to play the game and enjoy it just as much as you do. After all, they paid money to play as well. Those who wish to play fairly should not be subjected to those who do not. Perhaps reviewing how World of Tanks/ Warships handles the situation with individuals who are not into cooperative or fair play might be advantageous to Zenimax, the community, and to Bethesda's Elder Scrolls reputation as an alternative if the problems are 'unable' to be fixed.

    Thank you for reviewing this post. Although I am not, and never have been, comfortable using a public forum, this matter is so important to me and my guild members that I had to post SOME of our concerns here. So, again, thank you.
  • Pomaikai
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    Spot on, and proving why Necro'ing a thread can be so useful.


    PS... These same issues are still a problem in PVE. The bots/cheaters are still there. The app(s) are just easier to find.
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