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ZOS, You REALLY need to allow hundreds of palyers to test cyrodiil on the PTS before pushing patches

SwampRaider
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As this thread states, Your internal testers need to test every cyrodiil server before releasing patches, or allow us to go on the PTS and jump in cyrodiil.

It seems like every patch you miss something in cyrodiil, that massive amounts of players find out right after patch goes live.

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  • Auric_ESO
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    I'm not sure you realize but they are letting 10s or even 100s of thousands people access to pts and cyrodil. Now getting them to actually test content is a different story
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  • IcyDeadPeople
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    Auric_ESO wrote: »
    I'm not sure you realize but they are letting 10s or even 100s of thousands people access to pts and cyrodil. Now getting them to actually test content is a different story

    You can go to cyrodiil, but the v12 templates are limited to Daggerfall alliance only. Currently, it seems the only way to test pvp gameplay is to gradually level up lowbies from the other alliances.

    Edited by IcyDeadPeople on June 25, 2014 4:01PM
  • indigoblades
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    i think they need MORE templates ... or a better way of QUICKLY customizing ur build on PTS ... i made a v12 PTS char from the template and its stats are barely stronger than my V2 player after i spent every useful skill point i could find.... i think lots of things are NOT tested until the public release because it is too time consuming to level a char on PTS. (vamp abilitys, werewolf abilties, PVP, any crafting traits dependant on research) are a few.

    I am convinced this a major reason the PUBLIC releases are so bugged.

    I dont want this post sounding whiny i just want the game improved ... i think one of the best things ZOS could do at that this point is DO ANYTHING that encourages more testing of more configurations on the PTS server.

    Edited by indigoblades on June 26, 2014 3:34PM
  • Windshadow_ESO
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    i think they need MORE templates ... or a better way of QUICKLY customizing ur build on PTS ... i made a v12 PTS char from the template and its stats are barely stronger than my V2 player after i spent every useful skill point i could find.... i think lots of things are NOT tested until the public release because it is too time consuming to level a char on PTS. (vamp abilitys, werewolf abilties, PVP, any crafting traits dependant on research) are a few.

    I am convinced this a major reason the PUBLIC releases are so bugged.

    I dont want this post sounding whiny i just want the game improved ... i think one of the best things ZOS could do at that this point is DO ANYTHING that encourages more testing of more configurations on the PTS server.

    All very true... They need to do a better job of supporting those of us willing to spend our time on the PTS.
    First step is a hugely expanded choice in the templates if letting us move toons from our active accounts is too hard or perceived as giving folks who test an advantage over those who do not test.
    I actually perfer the former but I know the min/max types want to explore the edges with the charictors they have leveled.
    I would also like templates at the 20s levels and the 30s and 40s to test crafting problems at different levels. I am lothe to put in the work leveling through away toons that might be wiped at the whim of Zen. So let us have templates with crafting leveled at different levels so we can test things like enchant mats drops at realistic player leveling levels as well as at v

    For someone like me that wants to work on improving the crafting system the current v12 template is in essence useless due to the time needed to level the templated crafting skills
  • Sihnfahl
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    You can go to cyrodiil, but the v12 templates are limited to Daggerfall alliance only. Currently, it seems the only way to test pvp gameplay is to gradually level up lowbies from the other alliances.
    And you can't even get into Cyrodiil. I tried, knowing there probably wouldn't be on the PTR. Never got in.
  • Prospero_ESO
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    If you want players to test your content or the quality of patches simply opening a pts server is not enough. You have to incentivize people for active testing and giving useful and structured feedback, give them titles, achievements, giveaways, whatever. That means you have to build a backend at your side that supports such kind of things which is a lot of work. But in the end i think it would lead to better quality patches and happier people in general. It would also be less stressful for the dev team because issues would come up earlier. Simply drinking coffee and have a talk with some Entropy Rising dudes here and there is not enough to help with the bad technical quality this game has.
  • indigoblades
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    I am trying to provide good constructive feedback to ZOS not hammer them....

    I honestly think a large amount of people test the content and write GOOD bug reports on PTS since they opened it to be the public ... the problem is lots of configurations just cant be tested as i mentioned earlier. Some things which can theoretically be tested would require me months of leveling a char also. (ex. vampire/werewolf waiting for bite., high level crafting skills, crafting bonus sets which require months of research) So those end up not being tested too.

    Again i am not the least bit surprised the public releases are full of bugs, since as it works now only basic stuff is tested on the PTS... the best solution would be to allow us to upload our live chars .... the 2nd best solution would be too offer all three factions and lots of configurations .. this maybe some work for ZOS but would lead to much much better public releases.

  • Sihnfahl
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    the best solution would be to allow us to upload our live chars ....
    And I've played other MMOs with PTS that do just that.

    The patches and such tend to be quite stable as a result.
  • Cogo
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    Hi guys.

    Did I understood this correctly? Patch 1.2 was not tested in Cyro on PTS, at all?
    No battles?
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  • Ysne58
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    I never got to Cyrodiil. I have started new chars in each alliance though. Need to start leveling them up at some point, but I have almost no energy for anything because of the chemo.
  • Teargrants
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    Simple, ZOS needs to give pts the same functionality that all the eso character builder websites have. Let us make characters of any level, choose skills/morphs, guild lines, gear, ect right from the get go. After all this is a test server, it's not conducive to testing if ppl have to spend time leveling.
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  • Windshadow_ESO
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    Kirsika wrote: »
    Simple, ZOS needs to give pts the same functionality that all the eso character builder websites have. Let us make characters of any level, choose skills/morphs, guild lines, gear, ect right from the get go. After all this is a test server, it's not conducive to testing if ppl have to spend time leveling.

    That is just what we have been asking for since the PTS was opened up to the rest of us...

    It would be nice if we could hear what the developers plans are for the PTS and I hope it will include the tools we need to do the job for them... This is a huge resource that they are very far from making best use of.

    I hope that what I heard on zone chat is not true... It was being said that the PTS was gimped for a reason... To avoid upsetting players who might claim that folks on the PTS would have an unfair advantage over folks that could not afford the time to learn new systems that were previewed on the PTS.
  • LrdRahvin
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  • sagitter
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    I agree. Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test,Test and Test!
    Before patching you need to test, i prefeare 1 big patch every 2 months, but a working patch that 1 every 2 weeks full of bugs.
  • Sihnfahl
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    Cogo wrote: »
    Patch 1.2 was not tested in Cyro on PTS, at all?
    No battles?
    No Cyrodiil, no PvP. Since, you know, there's no world PvP.
  • OkieDokie
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    In order to make PTS really work, not only pvp but a complete configuration of chars must be allowed (not only basic equipments). Otherwise, there is not much of a point in testing it.
    Edited by OkieDokie on July 4, 2014 5:00AM
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