Speaking for myself personally, I've gotten just as many motifs and recipes as I did previously.

I've looted about 10 in the last 3 days, So i'd say not.

discosoc wrote: »

This wasn't an RP change. Not sure why you think it was.

Because they have stated several times that the reason they did it was to appeal to people that wanted more of an ES feel with more interactive objects.

Doesn't matter to me either way.

Lol @Blackwidow I think RNG wants to have my babies

For all intents and purposes, it was a nerf. Unintended or otherwise.
There are now more items that are rolled for when you loot a container which will reflect on the drop rate of the items that you do want to find.

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

For all intents and purposes, it was a nerf. Unintended or otherwise.
There are now more items that are rolled for when you loot a container which will reflect on the drop rate of the items that you do want to find.

That depends entirely on how the loot table is setup. Most games don't use one as simplistic as what you're describing. Maybe this one does, but I doubt it.

From what I can tell, it probably replaces crap rolls like lockpicks and common racial stones. I still find those mind you. They're just less pervasive now, which is fine by me. I wasn't picking them up anyway.

I honestly don't know what to do with the Racial Motifs now. I still find them at about the same rate as before 1.2.3 only fewer and fewer want them now. I've started just reading them on alts who don't even craft b/c whatevs.

I havent seen a nerf, I just got one today. recipes however are a trial to find for me. luck of the draw eh

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

discosoc wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

For all intents and purposes, it was a nerf. Unintended or otherwise.
There are now more items that are rolled for when you loot a container which will reflect on the drop rate of the items that you do want to find.

That depends entirely on how the loot table is setup. Most games don't use one as simplistic as what you're describing. Maybe this one does, but I doubt it.

Actually, most games do use a simplistic RNG for loot when it comes to base items that have no variations.

Sure, for "base items". But most games actually have things like containers roll on multiple loot tables, including past Elder Scrolls games. So, for example, if you open a container the game might see that said container rolls on 3 tables.

First table determines what random crap shows up, with all the random crap having a fairly equal chance of appearing. Adding more crap to that table would indeed lower the chance for any given item on that table to be selected.

Second table maybe something like determining if any gold shows up. That table may look something like 90% chance of no gold and 10% chance of one gold.

Third table would determine a motif shows up. It would look something like 99.9% chance of nothing selected, and a 0.1% chance of a motif appearing (which would probably then roll on yet another table to determine the exact motif).

Some containers (or NPC bodies, etc) would also have tables that are only checked if certain conditions are met, such as a quest being active (to collect rat tails or whatever).

When you open the container, all the tables are checked and the total loot is displayed.

Loot tables are designed this way so that you can manage things like drop rates without having to adjust the entire range of possibilities.

AngryWolf wrote: »

I'll admit I haven't been actively farming them, but I would have seen one by now before they added all garbage you see now. There was already enough stuff to sort through before and tough dealing with inventory when your trying to level up 3 trades and hang on to stuff. Having to sift through all the extra garbage they added really takes the enjoyment of searching for items, for me.

Perhaps a compromise could be reached. They could leave items like this on tables or weapon racks while leaving them out of containers. I guess I can understand finding a robe in a wardrobe, but finding a sword in a nightstand is a stretch

I am finding more motifs since the patch. At least once a session. I don't go out of my way to find them, but open everything I see. I like the variety of containers and loot. Getting better.

I am one of those players that checks all barrels and drawers etc, all the time to get provisioning materials. I only find a motif about once every two weeks. And this is with playing the game an average of seven hours a day, every day.

And unfortunately, I have the horrid luck of getting repeats. I found three Primals. Kept one for myself. Gave one to a friend and traded the other one for the Barbaric motif.

Four weeks later I finally found a Daedric, which I had previously bought really, really cheaply off another player (ensured it wasn't a bot), so I traded this second one for the Ancient Elf Motif.

It's been a week since, still haven't found another motif, but that's okay now since I have them all. Now, recipes I find, but they are all common green and blue and they are the same ones over and over again. You'd think I would find at least one purple one in all this time and I am almost Vet9.

Also, it's kinda strange, but it doesn't matter which Alliance Zone I am in, but I just keep getting the same AD recipes no matter what. I was rather hoping of gaining a taste for the world by doing the other alliances.

Hate filling my bags with 100% worthless garbage I can't sell or deconstruct. Not sure why it was put it, do the Role Players really enjoy it?

I have to say that one of the few things that I like from the new patches from TESO is this. I really like the new stuff you can catch. Feels more like TES.

Magdalina wrote: »

I don't spend all my time farming for motifs, but when I get too tired of vet trash, I'll do it, every now and then. Perhaps RNG hates me, but rate sure seem lower for me. Blue recipes used to drop like candy, now I think I've only found 4 since the patch. And 2 motifs, but that was after quite some farming.
So now I'm back to vet trash:)

Oh, and I prefer to give my motifs away, anyway xD

Well I sure do need ancient and primal or whatever it is called.