A community ripped to shreds.

Huckdabuck · July 2014

WebBull wrote: »

No forum is great, but in general, forums are a reflection of the game itself. The better game the better the forum atmosphere. The worse the game, the worse the forum.

vyal wrote: »

Fixes Before Features.

This should go in everyone's sig line.

If you did that ZOS may feel that everyone is calling them out with a name and shame!

Shiroro · July 2014

Lag issues are priority 1.
VR quality of life is priority 2.

We've been beating this drum forever. They either don't have the resources to fix things or they don't care. I think everyone here wants this game to be all that it can be. It's heading straight for F2P right now and if ZOS leadership doesn't see that they're delusional and this game is already dead.

WhitePawPrints · July 2014

Remove. Forced. Instances. Now.

That is what Zenimax should focus on; should have focused on from the moment Bethesda gave them permission to create the game.

Main/Guild Quest Solo Instances and Craglorn. These both do not allow Elder Scrolls' fans to play with their friends the way they want to.

Sylvyr · July 2014

Pupsy wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

3) Upset subscribers are met with walls when complaining/giving feedback in an upset way (which a lot of people just do) - forum posts closed/deleted, community members telling them to shut up or go somewhere else, etc. This can add to the whole "we're not being heard they are a train on their own tracks" feeling of disempowerment and frustration and just add more fuel to the fire.

Yeah, well said. I see a lot of people bring up problems and get flooded with things like "If you don't like it then don't play" or "get over it baby". I guess people don't realize that players don't want to just give up on the game. Lots of people love this game, including most of us. We want to see it fixed, not just leave it for good. That's why I think people get so upset sometimes, cause the game is important to them or they really enjoy it.

I hear ya.

You know, this game and what's been going on is kind of interesting. Myself and many surely come from ES backgrounds. All ES titles were cool but Skyrim... let's face it, was just awesome and had a really impressive player base both on PCs and consoles. And when you have this history you're kind of setting the bar. You're invested, you want this new ES title to work, you want to get back into the world (Narnia style?) and adventure more! This connection has added such an interesting dynamic into how this rather rough MMO ES title as being met and dealt with by the community. A lot of us don't want to leave, we don't want to shut up either, we are soooorely disappointed in not only the game but it falling short as a great continuation of the line as well as the new additions that come with an MMO (community, multiplayer, and PvP!).

If this were a new game, new world, new lore, I think it'd be very very different. Probably less emotion and attachment, less people "wanting it to work", more people just going, meh, another $X wasted accompanied with a lesser degree of complaining, and just moving onto something else.

Perphection · July 2014

vyal wrote: »

Fixes Before Features.

Agreed.

OP, this game should NOT have been released it's as simple as that. This game should have been a 2015 release.

drogon1 · July 2014

Don't think I agree with the OP. There is a lot of concern about the game's current status and future development, and people will disagree. But I'm not finding negative strife or discord over and above what you find on the forums in other games. Sure there is more constructive criticism, for its a new game and there are a lot of probs with it. But the haters - whom you seem to be talking about - are largely gone already. What's left are players that care about the game, even tho at times they unload due to frustration. This latter I can live with - shows they still give a damn.

KariTR · July 2014

Maybe I have just developed a thicker skin, but I find the atmosphere in game very pleasant. Especially in the AD faction.

Are you on the NA or EU server OP?

purple-magicb16_ESO · July 2014

First, selfish bickering is human nature.

Second, you'll never get everyone to agree.

Third, most people come to these forums to gripe, not praise. There are lots of people who enjoy the game. Unfortunately, you won't find many of them here.

Exarch · July 2014

Perphection wrote: »

OP, this game should NOT have been released it's as simple as that. This game should have been a 2015 release.

Thus depriving people like me who are playing quite happily, and have every expectation of doing so through 2014, of our fun toy, and depriving BethZeni of that revenue for that period; yeah, not seeing the sense in that.

kieso · July 2014

Tandor wrote: »

The best advice I can give to someone new to the game is to disable zone chat and avoid the forum. That way you'll enjoy the game just fine, and by the time you reach a stage in PvE or PvP where the performance/balancing/content difficulty issues seem to arise they'll hopefully be fixed.

yeah I thought that too but now I have 3 toons one at VR and the other two at lvl 47 and i havent played much at all the last 3 weeks or so.

guess i can always roll a 4th $:\$

Pupsy · July 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Maybe I have just developed a thicker skin, but I find the atmosphere in game very pleasant. Especially in the AD faction.

Are you on the NA or EU server OP?

North America Server

Ohioastro · July 2014

NerfEverything wrote: »

#1 thing they should be focusing on right now:

Refunds

#1 thing that this forum could desperately use: an ignore function.

Mablung · July 2014

Ohioastro wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

#1 thing they should be focusing on right now:

Refunds

#1 thing that this forum could desperately use: an ignore function.

It would be a fantastic function.

Ohioastro · July 2014

Pupsy wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

3) Upset subscribers are met with walls when complaining/giving feedback in an upset way (which a lot of people just do) - forum posts closed/deleted, community members telling them to shut up or go somewhere else, etc. This can add to the whole "we're not being heard they are a train on their own tracks" feeling of disempowerment and frustration and just add more fuel to the fire.

Yeah, well said. I see a lot of people bring up problems and get flooded with things like "If you don't like it then don't play" or "get over it baby". I guess people don't realize that players don't want to just give up on the game. Lots of people love this game, including most of us. We want to see it fixed, not just leave it for good. That's why I think people get so upset sometimes, cause the game is important to them or they really enjoy it.

On the other side, a lot of the complaints are both arrogant (claiming to speak for everyone) and written in an abrasive manner. Or they are yet another rehash of a complex issue that has been debated to death here - brought up yet again as if it were new. If you walk into a room and are angry you will provoke nasty responses. That doesn't justify it, but it does go a long ways towards explaining it.

And it is extremely clear that the most vocal complainers - the ones with hundreds and hundreds of angry attack posts - do not want the game to succeed. There are people who enjoy making others angry. There are people who want this game to fail. There are people who act out in inappropriate ways.

It's appropriate to make distinctions here - not all critiques are toxic. But a lot of them are, and a forum with too many toxic topics will leave only the bitter complaints and the people who respond in kind.

Ohioastro · July 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Maybe I have just developed a thicker skin, but I find the atmosphere in game very pleasant. Especially in the AD faction.

Are you on the NA or EU server OP?

Actually, I find that to be very much true too. I leave general chat open at all times so that I can answer new player questions and the like. There are occasional annoyances - like people trying to broadcast their politics in a fantasy game chat - but they are not common.

JKorr · July 2014

Pupsy wrote: »

Thank you all for your comments. I can see how turning off zone chat and finding a guild would be nice but my main point is we need to work together to get these problems fixed. The main issue isn't the people because you can't fix idiots and trolls, but you can fix a buggy game. Pick one issue at a time and let zenimax work on that. We all just need to decide what to push for.

Problem with that is everyone starts their complaint with "We all know", when really it is their personal opinion and preference. There is also a divide between the people who play pvp, and those who avoid pvp and pve mainly.

Personally, I'm still having a ball in the game. I haven't managed to get a character to level 50 yet, since I'm not trying to rush. I added another time card to my account. As long as they keep patching and working on things I'm planning on staying.

ShedsHisTail · July 2014

Ohioastro wrote: »

NerfEverything wrote: »

#1 thing they should be focusing on right now:

Refunds

#1 thing that this forum could desperately use: an ignore function.

Yeah, but then who would I talk to?

dean_steusloffub17_ESO · July 2014

SirAndy wrote: »

People who enjoy the game and have a fairly bug free experience tend to not post here much.

People who have a lot of bugs and are frustrated come here looking for answers.

I don't think these forums and the overall tone in the threads is necessarily a good representation of the bulk of the ESO playerbase.
;-)

This statement would be true if there was still a bulk of a playerbase.

Though it's true, people that aren't experiencing issues aren't going to post very often.

I don't envy Zenimax. If the majority of the posts in these forums are people complaining (and just a scan of the headers tells you that it is), eventually you just tune it out, and the downward spiral continues.

I'm going to think of this game as a huge toilet bowl. This toilet bowl is very clogged with software excrement in the form of bugs, huge FPS issues, unannounced nerfs, and the list goes on.

Zenimax has a couple of options:

1) Bust out a plumber's snake, which would be fixes that actually work and address issues that people really care about (I doubt there was lots of clamoring for pretty windows, for instance).

2) Flush it anyway without removing the clog, and then you're left with a mess to clean up.

Don't flush the toilet, Zenimax.

Stratti · July 2014

Simple.
Fix the forums first they are too open and ZOS let us get away with blue murder.
Have a dedicated tech support bug section.
Ban any calls for nerf threads they are destroying the community
Stop giving people the impression if they whine here they will have a chance at getting their way

Mordria · July 2014

KariTR wrote: »

Maybe I have just developed a thicker skin, but I find the atmosphere in game very pleasant. Especially in the AD faction.

Are you on the NA or EU server OP?

Yep! I'm enjoying the AD faction. People are talking and joking around in zone chat. It's been really nice, and every time I ask if anyone would like to help with a dolem or world boss at least 2-3 people show up.

vyal · July 2014

Stratti wrote: »

... Stop giving people the impression if they whine here they will have a chance at getting their way

Since 1996, and through over 17 North American MMO's, I have never. EVER. seen developers pay attention FIRST to patient, collaborative, well thought out constructive feedback instead of the loudest voice.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Has always been true. Will always be true. The loudest most vocal whiners always get their way, unless the developers have the chutzpah to ignore them for the good of the game.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · July 2014

Slowly the blind are seeing the light especially when they hit VR. OP will too

Anastasia · July 2014

Pupsy wrote: »

Well, I know i'm new to the forums but there has been something I have noticed in zone chat and in other threads that has been bothering me. I'm not a crazy genius or some game guru who can give the solution to all of this games problems, and there are a lot of problems right now, but I think I know something that would help.

The ESO community, is ripped to pieces. People constantly arguing about everything. Bugs, patches, classes, pvp, pve, veteran rank content, etc. In fact, everyone is so split about the topics that it has caused hundreds of forum post and bug reports/complaints to be sent into Zenimax all at once. There is lag in PVP, lag in PVE, bugged quest, imbalances in classes, log out errors, etc and they are getting thousands of the reports daily, all at once. There is so much for them to fix, that I think they are getting swamped down. I know that it is their fault that these things are buggy and it is their responsibility to fix them but like people have said in these rage arguments over and over, it takes time to fix them and they're right.

We need to help zenimax in this as much as we can. I want this game to work just as i know you guys want this game to work. Elder Scrolls Online is our MMO and it will be our main MMO and damn it if we as a community or zenimax let it fail!

We need to come together as a community as start picking out problems in sequence. No more flooding zenimax with hundreds of little problems. The community and zenimax need to work together to pick one thing at a time to work on, and us as a community need to actually get our crap together and agree on what we want. If that is FPS fixes or quest fixes or whatever, It doesn't matter, but we need to make progress soon or people will start leaving and I don't want players to leave this game. I want it to live.

Down below, comment on what you think is the number one thing and first thing zenimax needs to focus on right now. No more additional content or new veteran rank whatever bull crap. We need to fix this game and create a stable foundation before we build on it or the whole thing is going to collapse down on top of everyone.

Come on guys, like it or not, we all love the idea behind this game and we are part of the community. Lets just stop all the berating and be professional and work together. We have to fix this game and we will fix it, as long as we do it together. Lets help zenimax focus all their manpower behind these problems one at a time and then we're good. Lets do it for us, the community and the game. Long Live ESO.

I commend your attitude and enjoyed reading your post. Good on ya.

Celuwen · July 2014

The forums are becoming polarised. On one side we have the Fanbois and on the other side we have the Trolls and neither side will listen to the other. The fact is that we're all both depending on the environment and experience. The feeling I get from most ESO players is that they're frustrated. The people who are still playing love this game, otherwise we'd have all left for Wildstar or whatever.

The major bugs (FPS and perfomance/Patching QA/Repeated broken game progression quests/launcher and login issues and stability) need to be looked at first. The balancing issues (class/VR content/crafting - enchanting especially/gold sinks - respec costs are still too high and it's silly to not be able to respec individual skills/morphs) need to come second. After that we'll talk about Guilds and UI and all of the rest of it.

New content is very much after all of that. They might be looking to bring new players in with the tantalising promise of new zones/dungeons and fun, but most people will listen to their friends when they tell them that they left because of X, Y and Z.

The last point I'll make is this: Every time there is an exploit of some sort (especially VP related) there are no consequences for the people who take advantage. The idiom of "Exploit early and often" is very much used for this game, because if you end up with the short end of the stick. Players shouldn't be penalised for not using the latest quick VP fix to level.

AngryWolf · July 2014

Elder Scrolls Online is not 'our' game. It's owned by a few software companies, and negativity is common in forums unfortunately and won't have any impact on whether or not a person leaves.

I agree that we should provide as much input as we can about issues we are seeing to help improving the game, but lets not go over the top worrying the sky is falling. Play the game, use the forums to gain info you need(I've received many great feedback posts to questions I have) and just ignore the rest.

williamburr2001b14_ESO · July 2014

Pupsy wrote: »

Thank you all for your comments. I can see how turning off zone chat and finding a guild would be nice but my main point is we need to work together to get these problems fixed. The main issue isn't the people because you can't fix idiots and trolls, but you can fix a buggy game. Pick one issue at a time and let zenimax work on that. We all just need to decide what to push for.

We are working together. This is what working together looks like. You owe it to yourself to attend a model U.N., or Town Hall meeting sometime. If you're asking thousands of people to somehow collectively agree on some kind of queue for problem-fixes, that is never going to happen, because every single person here has different priorities.

jamie.goddenrwb17_ESO · July 2014

SirAndy wrote: »

People who enjoy the game and have a fairly bug free experience tend to not post here much.

People who have a lot of bugs and are frustrated come here looking for answers.

I don't think these forums and the overall tone in the threads is necessarily a good representation of the bulk of the ESO playerbase.
;-)

On this note your name is one of the few that I see regularly posting that always manages to keep a clear head, provide intelligent feedback and generally provide constructive comments rather than flame inducing troll bait.

I therefore dub you Sir SirAndy which is a pointless title that I just made up, which comes with no reward apart from thanks from some of the people who trawl these forums looking for articulate and thoughtful posts.

Vunter · July 2014

People didn't get that the factions war is supposed to be in Cyrodiil, not in the forum with "haters vs fanboys"..

We all want to enjoy the game, keep calm and the stuff will get fixed in time. Complaining won't help... /feedback in game will.

Mablung · July 2014

Vunter wrote: »

People didn't get that the factions war is supposed to be in Cyrodiil, not in the forum with "haters vs fanboys"..

We get better FPS here on the forums.

indytims_ESO · July 2014

I second the advice given by those before - do yourself a favor and turn off Zone chat. It's filled mostly with trolls - a lot like this forum is. If you can't resist leaving zonechat on for the entertainment value, I suggest a generous use of the 'ignore' feature to silence those who annoy and troll. It definitely helps.

Unfortunately I don't think there is an 'ignore' feature here, at least not one that I've seen. Still, you'll quickly come to recognize the handful of trolls here, and upon seeing their posts you can simply skip past them and save yourself the loss of brain-cells you might experience from reading their posts. There -are- some folks who have legitimate complaints - and those are cool. But the trolls... they kinda stand out.

Other than that... nothing other than a 'near perfect' game is going to 'unite' fans. There are thousands of people playing, each with their own ideas of what an Elder Scrolls game -should- be. Some of those people realize that this ESO game is the result of a handful of programmers and devs sharing -their- idea of what an Elder Scrolls MMO should be like - yet many of those people can not -accept- that it doesn't match their own expectations.

This leads to disappointment - hence, a lot of the whining you see, in game and out.