Here's what I sent last time. It was more focused on the patch QA issues with the Cragfail patch, but honestly the worst bugs at issue right now (the FPS issue) are STILL a result of this process problem.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/101593/issues-with-the-latest-patch-and-zenimax-development

RazielSR wrote: »

I understand that for some people, the game is good as it is nowadays. I understand because I know people that just “eat” everything. I mean, they don’t care if it was *** or a sausage.
To say this game is good nowadays and it is not destroying TES image…is just not correct.

This analogy amuses me because I think the game is 90% fine and I'm an extremely picky eater.

I guess I'm just easy to entertain and apparently that's an insult.

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that any sensible and sane TES fanboy living in reality would accept that Bethesda releasing flawless games with no bugs or errors is complete bollocks.

Anyone remember backwards dragons?

I agree that the issues with the game are incredibly annoying and press anyone's patience, especially those who reside on the internet and have patience for all of 3 seconds. However, from what I'm aware of in the history of MMOs and all AAA games in the last few years, this isn't anything new and will probably get much worse before it gets better.

Eventually the major bugs and issues in the game will be fixed so that everyone can play it. Design decisions and mechanics however are the sole discretion of ZOS and if it's something you don't like or don't agree with then your opinion is your only weapon in getting them to change it. IF they decide to.

This. When Bethesda releases a game that doesn't require un-paid programmers to create fixes to make their game playable in its entirety for everybody I'm sure they will take another look at ESO.

Thank god for nexus modders posting unofficial patches for gameplay/quest fixes.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

I can't tell if it's ironic or sad that this thread was started by someone who has pretty much only posted (bad and nonconstructive) criticism. But yeah, they sure "turned" you.

That's not true.

Ahem, a brief sampling of your previous topics. Feel free to stop me when we get to the "defender" portion:

- Is ZOS gonna fix veteran ranks for the next update?
- Did you left [sic] VR because it is boring, beause it is difficult,or both??
- Did you imagine TESO going this bad 3 months later?
- Do you feel like a betatester [sic] in ESO?

I can go on if you like.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Ahem, a brief sampling of your previous topics. Feel free to stop me when we get to the "defender" portion:

- Is ZOS gonna fix veteran ranks for the next update?
- Did you left [sic] VR because it is boring, beause it is difficult,or both??
- Did you imagine TESO going this bad 3 months later?
- Do you feel like a betatester [sic] in ESO?

I can go on if you like.

Go on.
I really can't see what's incorrect with that topics?

RazielSR wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Ahem, a brief sampling of your previous topics. Feel free to stop me when we get to the "defender" portion:

- Is ZOS gonna fix veteran ranks for the next update?
- Did you left [sic] VR because it is boring, beause it is difficult,or both??
- Did you imagine TESO going this bad 3 months later?
- Do you feel like a betatester [sic] in ESO?

I can go on if you like.

Go on, but you could not just post sic where an error appears, because you know...Engish is not my native language.

Anyway, I really can't see what's incorrect with that topics?

Well, aside from the topics all being biased rhetorical questions, you claim in this thread that the game has "turned" defenders, obviously referring to yourself, into critics. I pointed out that you have never been a defender of the game. You said that wasn't true. I rebutted with your post history.

Now that I've gone through the recap/exposition, do you see why I find yet another one of your thread titles to be wholly disingenuous? If you don't like the game, fine. But don't pretend that you have done anything but attack the design from the moment it was released.

ferzalrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Tabbycat wrote: »

I am not annoyed yet. I am still patiently waiting for improvements. I understand great things happen over time. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

But Rome burned in less than a week.

It's a great metaphor for this game. All I want to know is... who's fiddling?

Rolph?

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Ahem, a brief sampling of your previous topics. Feel free to stop me when we get to the "defender" portion:

- Is ZOS gonna fix veteran ranks for the next update?
- Did you left [sic] VR because it is boring, beause it is difficult,or both??
- Did you imagine TESO going this bad 3 months later?
- Do you feel like a betatester [sic] in ESO?

I can go on if you like.

Go on, but you could not just post sic where an error appears, because you know...Engish is not my native language.

Anyway, I really can't see what's incorrect with that topics?

Well, aside from the topics all being biased rhetorical questions, you claim in this thread that the game has "turned" defenders, obviously referring to yourself, into critics. I pointed out that you have never been a defender of the game. You said that wasn't true. I rebutted with your post history.

Now that I've gone through the recap/exposition, do you see why I find yet another one of your thread titles to be wholly disingenuous? If you don't like the game, fine. But don't pretend that you have done anything but attack the design from the moment it was released.

That is completely false, completely.
Sorry, but I bought two accounts, this one where I'm posting and another. ZOS have my 20-30 feedback mails back in beta times. I was in many mmo communities saying to the people "come to ESO". I convinced many people to buy this game. Don't tell me I was not a defender by those posts. Those posts came from some user that changed his mind due to the horrible path the game is going and because of the amount of bugs. That's all. If you don't know where I come from talking about this game, its your problem.

EDIT: You could talk with PTS testers too? Because there have been some here saying the same things as me.

Sharee wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

Templars and NBs were broken since day 1 and are just now getting fixed. That's 50% of the classes broken.

Stamina builds are broken. Every player has 3 class trees, 2 staff trees, and 2 guild trees that use magicka (7 magicka trees), and 4 stamina weapons, and 1 guild tree that uses stamina (5 stamina trees). Not gonna count WW/vamp since not every player goes there, and we can leave out the armor tree ultimates for simplicity. That's 41% of the trees broken.

PVP has been shoddy, with lag, disconnects, and FPS troubles running rampant. That's one whole gameplay aspect, and roughly 20% of the playable map, shoddy at best and broken at worst.

Veteran zones have gotten a great deal of criticism for its design. Many players have opted to ignore them entirely in favor of Craglorn, or gasp, quitting the game. Veteran rank 1-10 is generally the equivalent of level 51-150. That's 66% of the levelling content being ignored or scorned by a large number of players.

Add in the quest bugs we've all seen in the questing zones you've mentioned, add in the bank wipe bug, the botting and the XP exploits, the bugged dungeons and their questionable reward system, the PVP bugs such as oil flowing up a wall, the guild store bugs and all the rest that we've seen during the course of the game's lifespan... Do all that, and then tell me with a straight face that only 2% of the game is broken.

No, it is not. It is just that if people like, lets say...BGS developers were like you (I mean, that you are easy to entertain and you eat the first thing you see) there would never be games like the Elder Scrolls single player or the TES franchise. We would be living in caverns, etc, etc...because you know...we had a roof and some fire and it was ok.

It is not meant to be offensive, it is just that some things gets better if some kind of people is not involved on it. It is normal, understandable and completely fair.

Easy to please does not mean that I am only entertained by the basic and simple (re: your living in caves example). I prefer complexity and depth to my entertainment, without crossing the line into strenuous mental exercises. ESO meets those needs for me.

I'm an exceedingly patient and mellow person, so the things that stress other people out to the point of quitting don't bother me at all.

At this point, I only see two major issues that are cause for concern: group phasing and forced solo play (neither one of these things bother me because I play alone, but should be fixed for people who do play co-op) and the fps issues in Cyrodiil (I'll be finding out soon if this is a personal issue for me). I am one of those who enjoyed the VR experience and I have no opinion one way or the other over difficulty adjustment.

I just haven't had a single experience yet that has given me pause to consider not playing. I'm sorry that that is not the case for other people, we just happen to have different mindsets and priorities in what we want from the game.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO wrote: »

What scares me most is that even if the game gets good, most of the players left wont come back.

Yeah many games get some kind of revival when they become f2p but they never turn into something they could have been without losing over half of their playerbase because of crappy releases.

I remember Vanguard which had the most stunning gameworld I have ever seen in a MMO. Really big, (nearly) no zones, great open dungeons.
They had cool classes (e.g. Bloodmage). Epic.questlines. Good crafting (ships, houses, castles) I even loved that you had to travel as a crafter to learn more styles. Flying mounts and and and.
But sadly it never recovered from his crappy release.

Im scared the same will happen to TESO.
The release wasnt that bad, but otherwise Vanguard was much more like an ES game than TESO is in terms of sandbox elements in a themepark game.

Only thing that could save TESO is that there arent any new non asian style AAA mmos on the horizont for a long time (EQ:next beeing the next one) and Wildstars style is not for every one.

Exactly. TESO was meant to be the real AAA mmorpg. And as you say, it is not just that the game is not working as intended nowadays, it is that the enormous amount of people leaving, won't return.

Madval,

Ha-Ha-Ha!
You almost had me there.
Until I saw "Fishing".

rynth wrote: »

you all realize this is a hopeless argument that no one can win I hope....since this is all based on opinion

I would like the argument to be like that. Opinions are just opinions, but cancelled subs and complaints are not just opinions.

The forums are a biased sub-set of the player base, and there is such a thing as confirmation bias. E.g. the OP sees what they want to see, ignores what doesn't fit with their thesis, and concludes that there is a large and growing army of people who agree with them.

People like me are enjoying the game just fine, agree with few if any of the criticisms, and don't see much of a need to post "things are fine by me" items. Relative to the start of the game there have been huge improvements. A mark of honest opinion for me is the ability to acknowledge both progress and remaining issues.