You see? See how many "defenders" are now starting to get annoyed.

RazielSR · July 2014

We were not trolls. With "we" I mean people complaining here while others were calling us with names. Now I'm reading a lot of topics here, and inside there are a lot of people posging and saying they defended the game from the beginning and spent a lof money in the game. Now they feel "betrayed" just like me or others that saw what was coming. That's why I was posting a lot against ZOS decisions and saying over and over again this was not going well. Why would you think we are trolls? If we were trolls, we won't be here everyday trying to search for something that makes us continue in this adventure. I'm a hardcore TES fan since a lot of years ago and I'm REALLY SAD. It's sad to see the game almost empty, the guilds disbanding, the fan sites and guild sites almost abandoned. This is not what it was supposed to be. This was supposed to be a great game, TES UNIVERSE.

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

Perphection · July 2014

I've noticed this as well. People seem to be coming to their senses and finding their voice.

RazielSR · July 2014

Perphection wrote: »

I've noticed this as well. People seem to be coming to their senses and finding their voice.

And thats the only way the game can improve. I really cant understand how can one feel that its ok to pay for this and if you love TES universe you have to talk about the things going wrong.

steveb16_ESO46 · July 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

Perphection wrote: »

I've noticed this as well. People seem to be coming to their senses and finding their voice.

And thats the only way the game can improve. I really cant understand how can one feel that its ok to pay for this and if you love TES universe you have to talk about the things going wrong.

I am a big TES fan and was a big fan of ESO. I'm very sad and very disappointed with how things have turned out. I just didn't anticipate the hard left turn it would take after the faction story ended or that it would happen in that fashion.

I also didn't appreciate it was going to be so unambitious in terms of game-play.

But for better or worse this is what Zen want the game to be and for all I know there is a solid market for a good-looking Old School combat grinder.

I still hope that in a year's time there will have been a radical re-imagining of the game-play but I'm neither holding my breath or re-subbing after November while I wait.

This could still, from my point of view, become a great game but I'm more certain with each update that Zen's definition of 'great' isn't mine.

Tabbycat · July 2014

I am not annoyed yet. I am still patiently waiting for improvements. I understand great things happen over time. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

hk11 · July 2014

I dont think it could hurt the TES franchise any worse than Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard.

kaosodin · July 2014

Perphection wrote: »

I've noticed this as well. People seem to be coming to their senses and finding their voice.

Thats. Not it at all.......... some of hs believe you give a person / company a honest chance to fix things....

Ill make it simple.......

Most of us played for 1 day, freaked out, cried, whined, threatened.....

Then there are normal people...... like me.

Who give any one and anything one chance to make things right instead of poo poo ing and crying like group 1.

That being said.... group 2 are not idiots..... its ben long enough.... now im getting agitated. ...which is normal.

Lets recap..... reacting like a baby about the game before 60 days release.... yor a drama queen.... those that waited and gave the game a chance.....its a whame....because once were gone.....the game goes

Fairydragon3 · July 2014

3 months is actually not a lot of time, based off of how often everything gets release/fixed, seems like they are using a Sprint work schedule, which each sprint can last from a couple of weeks to a couple of months. Honestly even 6 months could be a bit unreasonable as well

Hilgara · July 2014

its possible for some love the game while at the same time hating (if not too strong a word) ZOS.
All you who spent years in WoW, did you ever once think the sun shone out of Blizzards backside?

ebondeath · July 2014

Sigh. I typed out a long post about my opinion of the things you've posted, and in the end I think it's better just to say that we do not share the same opinion of the state of this game.

Enkil · July 2014

I agree.. Some players are still playing pretending like the ship didn't just collide with an iceberg.. I mean it has the "Elder Scrolls" in the title so it must be unsinkable right? BUT.. This ship is taking on massive amounts of water.. HELLO!!!

I've been begging for an Elder Scrolls MMO since Morrowind days.. Personally, I can distinguish between a neophyte development team that has obviously never played a single-player Elder Scrolls game (Zenimax Online Studios) and the team that created some of my most beloved single-player RPG's games ever (Bethesda). Now... if we can just get those people at Bethesda (& Zenimax Media) to realize that ZoS is dragging the Intellectual Property through the proverbial mud, maybe they will intervene and save this sinking ship. It is definitely capable of salvage at this point. However, every single patch since 1.2.x has been a cry for help..... I hope help comes.

BBSooner · July 2014

ebondeath wrote: »

Sigh. I typed out a long post about my opinion of the things you've posted, and in the end I think it's better just to say that we do not share the same opinion of the state of this game.

Same (I just didn't type it out to begin with). I'm still having fun, so *shrug*.

rynth · July 2014

yes lots of fun here too, I have not had any problems I enjoy the game, the classes, etc.

I too understand that huge MMOs take time to tweak and fix bugs the key word being TIME. Not just a few months which is how old the game is, last night I was in cold harbor and some one was talking about the evil lab quest still being broken and a lack of better word "DM" was on to port people over to other side finish the quest. MMOs are a labor of love that again that key word takes time and patience to develop

http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4

but for some reason I picture all the doom/gloomers like this:

http://youtu.be/q8SWMAQYQf0

and the videos are meant to be funny so don't get your panties all in a bunch

and last I'd like to point out that "we" the community everybody who subs for this game is not involved with fixes, patches, game development all of that. People might say well I know a bit about game development and fixes are easier or whatever the case may be. But, the bottom line is we aren't there dealing with any of the problems the codes etc. There are so many different variations on types of computers, what type of system they run, hardware, and all of that to be able to tell how things will effect everyone. The simple fact is we aren't there we don't know what the issues are or how to fix them because again we are not involved in any of that stuff.

Animus0724 · July 2014

I have, I'll admit, defended Zeni since day one, and TBH, I still will.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty [snip] pissed at what they did and what they failed to fix, not to mention I'm one controversial post away from being banned, I believe it is complete [snip] they managed to break their game so much, it is completely unprofessional and irresponsible. Obviously someone [snip] up, whether it'll be upper management or lead developer, someone [snip] up and someone needs to be replaced.

Patches are being pushed out without proper testing, honestly what the hell are the test servers for? Zeni needs to slow down and take their time at releasing these updates before they start to lose their more loyal players.

I'd rather wait 6 months to play a properly working game then to play 6 months on a game that doesn't work properly.

But to be completely fair, for the community to lash out at customer support and those that are really trying to patch the game up is completely uncalled for, NO ONE likes to be called incompetent, especially when they are trying to push for a better game and overall trying to help everyone. So how about we stop attacking the work horse and actually try to help them out instead screaming like idiots.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

ers101284b14_ESO · July 2014

rynth wrote: »

yes lots of fun here too, I have not had any problems I enjoy the game, the classes, etc.

I too understand that huge MMOs take time to tweak and fix bugs the key word being TIME. Not just a few months which is how old the game is, last night I was in cold harbor and some one was talking about the evil lab quest still being broken and a lack of better word "DM" was on to port people over to other side finish the quest. MMOs are a labor of love that again that key word takes time and patience to develop

http://youtu.be/p3JPa2mvSQ4

but for some reason I picture all the doom/gloomers like this:
http://youtu.be/q8SWMAQYQf0

and the videos are meant to be funny so don't get your panties all in a bunch

I don't think ESO players are that calm, just watch FB when they it goes into scheduled maintenance.

GreySix · July 2014

Nothing wrong with this MMO. Remain calm.
All is well!

Sharee · July 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

stumpy999 · July 2014

mmm, I agreed with the 98%, so things are good

but to travel that far you have to go into vet, and that is not good, seriously not good

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Sharee wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

Agreed, the game is mostly ok, the veteran levels are a grind, but so are most end games. There are bugs, and glitches, but they are being fixed, although slowly. But the game was released too early, there are too many broken passives still, and sometimes the game feels like the mobs are unbalanced.

But I'm sure it will get fixed. Just hope that after a while the leavers will return, and see the improvements.

Enkil · July 2014

Sharee wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

Those are leveling zones according to the way ZoS designed the game... The longevity of the game depends on the higher level zones like its literal CENTERPIECE Cyrodiil!!

I loved, adored and was obsessed with the game prior to VR1 when all I had seen was the zones you mentioned. It is indeed a beautiful ride.... but your argument is like saying to an infant that their life from birth to 10 years old is gonna be awesome and that's 98% of life and they need not worry about out anything after age 10... Sorry but that's not true!! The rest of the game matters.. not just the beginning.. I was totally enamored and loved the game up until VR1.. then I felt like I got shoved off a cliff.. Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Snit · July 2014

Anecdotes + Confirmation Bias = Unsupported 'Conclusions'

dafraorb16_ESO · July 2014

I'm a TES and TESO fanboy but is impossible to defend this game.
It's time to take a break and see if ZOS will wake up or destroy this awesome game.For now it's unplayable because performance issue and class unbalance

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Enkil wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

Those are leveling zones according to the way ZoS designed the game... The longevity of the game depends on the higher level zones like it's literal CENTERPIECE Cyrodiil!!

Ah, well I haven't done any PVP because I get random patches of lag, which combined with playing across the atlantic would make it a tad unenjoyable, but when the EU gets the server, then I'll do PVP.

Enkil · July 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

Those are leveling zones according to the way ZoS designed the game... The longevity of the game depends on the higher level zones like it's literal CENTERPIECE Cyrodiil!!

Ah, well I haven't done any PVP because I get random patches of lag, which combined with playing across the atlantic would make it a tad unenjoyable, but when the EU gets the server, then I'll do PVP.

I live in Hawaii and I'm playing across the Pacific which is probably even further.. If you are playing at off-peak hours I'm sure you will be fine.. U should def check it out. The PVP is a lot of fun at times. I even have fun on my level 23 sorc when not playing my main... PVP is the game's only redeeming quality for me at this time....

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2014

This makes me giggle. Well done.

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Enkil wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Enkil wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

I'm afraid this could hurt TES reputation. I can't understand how the devs can live with this. It's mad just to apply a patch that destroy the few things that were ok and just add more and more bugs. How can this be real? Yes it is.

The FEW things that were ok?!? The game is, like 98% OK!

I mean, go and take a tour through all the zones. Go ahead. Travel from the island of Stros'Mkai, through Bethnik, Glenumbra, Stormhaven, Rivenspire, Alik'r desert, and and and... Auridon... Reaper's March... Stonefalls... Rift...

It's a beautiful ride. Do that, and then tell me with a straight face that more than 2% of the things you saw were broken.

Those are leveling zones according to the way ZoS designed the game... The longevity of the game depends on the higher level zones like it's literal CENTERPIECE Cyrodiil!!

Ah, well I haven't done any PVP because I get random patches of lag, which combined with playing across the atlantic would make it a tad unenjoyable, but when the EU gets the server, then I'll do PVP.

I live in Hawaii and I'm playing across the Pacific which is probably even further.. If you are playing at off-peak hours I'm sure you will be fine.. U should def check it out. The PVP is a lot of fun at times. I even have fun on my level 23 sorc when not playing my main... PVP is the game's only redeeming quality for me at this time....

Ok, I'll give it a try, thanks.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · July 2014

I used to be a defender, then I saw knee jerk nerf nukes to my class, exploits go unpunished, and then saw the mess of VR zones. I like the game, but am sick of Zenimax

kitsinni · July 2014

Everyone I know has already left, I'm trying to hold on but things seem to get worse. I have met new people in new guilds and they log on less everyday. Once my last two alts hit 50 I can't think of any reason to log on again. Kinda sad I really like this game but with no one to play with and nothing to do even the measly $15.00 a month seems like a waste.

I would like to pretend I will keep up with the game and come back later but once I leave a game I never end up going back.

kirnmalidus · July 2014

Yeah I've been a pretty strong defender (for the most part, not when it comes to patch QA), but this is getting out of hand.

Most of my guilds have 90% of the member base not logged in over a week. As many have pointed out, where it stands now PvP is the only real endgame for a lot of people. Due to the class imbalance the PvE endgame is basically inaccessible to a huge portion of the player base.

I'd also like to play the Craglorn content (not the trials, but the quests), but the game is such a ghost town I can't get a four man group together to go questing in Craglorn. Another thread has requested more solo high VR content, and I wholeheartedly second that request.

As far as PvP goes, only a few campaigns are active, and the people who are struggling through playing have to relog after every fight to have more than 10 fps. They won't be sticking around much longer.

Adding fancier lighting effects to the game certainly didn't address any of these issues. I get that is probably a separate dev team, but I don't really care anymore. Management needs to get better at allocating development resources to address the gamebreaking bugs (FPS issues everywhere now, not just Cyrodiil), and it needs to happen fast or this game is done. Which makes me really sad.

As the OP and others have pointed out, the biggest concern I have with this is the long-term impact it will have on TES franchise and the viability of another single player TES game. If ZOS messes that up for us you better believe there will be people with pitchforks outside their office.

I recommend sending a letter to Bethesda, I did it a while ago and will probably do it again, suggesting that the Elder Scrolls Brand Manager at Bethesda check out these forums, maybe hop in the game, and then call up their counterpart at ZOS and ask what the hell is going on and why they are ruining the equity in TES IP.

RazielSR · July 2014

I understand that for some people, the game is good as it is nowadays. I understand because I know people that just “eat” everything. I mean, they don’t care if it was *** or a sausage.
To say this game is good nowadays and it is not destroying TES image…is just not correct.

For every user saying “I like the game as it is now”, you have 100 saying the contrary. How can be that possible? How is that the guilds are empty? How is that in every patch, they break a lot of things and add more problems? How is that the lazy design regarding vet zones are making people unsub? 90% of post here and in other forums are about how bad the game is going and about people quitting. Is that false too? No, it is not. ESO is losing a lot of subs, and no, I have no numbers but how can you see the guilds disbanding, the sites abandoned, the people blaming all over internet with all the reason abour bugs that you can clearly see. Incredible what TES image is suffering because of this. I don’t know if you live in a bubble (this is for the 3 or 4 users in this forum saying the game is going well) but that’s not the reality.
Just let some more weeks…if ZOS don’t do something…this game is doomed. The topics around here are changing, the post from defenders are now about complaints. The direction this game is going is not good, if you don’t want to see it, it’s ok. You will leave and don’t say a word. Like many of people that’s was active here and now their accounts are cancelled.
I REALLY want the game to succeed, but to say it is ok now…won’t make the game successful, will make the game to be doomed.

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Yeah I've been a pretty strong defender (for the most part, not when it comes to patch QA), but this is getting out of hand.

Most of my guilds have 90% of the member base not logged in over a week. As many have pointed out, where it stands now PvP is the only real endgame for a lot of people. Due to the class imbalance the PvE endgame is basically inaccessible to a huge portion of the player base.

I'd also like to play the Craglorn content (not the trials, but the quests), but the game is such a ghost town I can't get a four man group together to go questing in Craglorn. Another thread has requested more solo high VR content, and I wholeheartedly second that request.

As far as PvP goes, only a few campaigns are active, and the people who are struggling through playing have to relog after every fight to have more than 10 fps. They won't be sticking around much longer.

Adding fancier lighting effects to the game certainly didn't address any of these issues. I get that is probably a separate dev team, but I don't really care anymore. Management needs to get better at allocating development resources to address the gamebreaking bugs (FPS issues everywhere now, not just Cyrodiil), and it needs to happen fast or this game is done. Which makes me really sad.

As the OP and others have pointed out, the biggest concern I have with this is the long-term impact it will have on TES franchise and the viability of another single player TES game. If ZOS messes that up for us you better believe there will be people with pitchforks outside their office.

I recommend sending a letter to Bethesda, I did it a while ago and will probably do it again, suggesting that the Elder Scrolls Brand Manager at Bethesda check out these forums, maybe hop in the game, and then call up their counterpart at ZOS and ask what the hell is going on and why they are ruining the equity in TES IP.

I think I'm gonna do it too.

Where did you send the mail?

SC0TY999 · July 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

Ah, well I haven't done any PVP because I get random patches of lag, which combined with playing across the atlantic would make it a tad unenjoyable, but when the EU gets the server, then I'll do PVP.

Sorry to break the news to you but moving the server to EU isn't going to help! NA are experiencing all the performance issues that EU is.

And that server is on their doorstep!