Due to Poor Design, my chracter is Stuck.

BBSooner · June 2014

I did every harborage quest on level on my nightblade, 2h dps. Ifwhat you're doing isn't working, it's time to change it up (or have your wife do it for you).

Talrenos · June 2014

The_Sadist wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Just an update...

Your character isn't stuck due to design, it's stuck because of you.

Actually no, its because I did what I was supposed to do.... I dumped most of my points into health and stam, put nothing into magika at all. Now I see that all the NB class skills need and rely on magika, not stam, whereas my weapon skills rely on stam, not magika.... Hmmm...uh, so should I be great with a bow and DW and ignore my class skills or the otherway around. I have no idea. I just know that I cant do what I want to do, and if I try ZOS has it all backwards with requirements.

Yea, I could listen to some people that discovered the one way of making the NB work, but then why bother being a NB if your just emulating a sorc or a DK? What makes the NB class its own special class? nothing at all...

nerevarine1138 · June 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Actually no, its because I did what I was supposed to do.... I dumped most of my points into health and stam, put nothing into magika at all. Now I see that all the NB class skills need and rely on magika, not stam, whereas my weapon skills rely on stam, not magika.... Hmmm...uh, so should I be great with a bow and DW and ignore my class skills or the otherway around. I have no idea. I just know that I cant do what I want to do, and if I try ZOS has it all backwards with requirements.

Yea, I could listen to some people that discovered the one way of making the NB work, but then why bother being a NB if your just emulating a sorc or a DK? What makes the NB class its own special class? nothing at all...

Amazing.

After reading all the posts in this thread explaining how to balance your class/weapon skills, you decided to continue ignoring your class skills entirely and forge onwards?

This isn't a Nightblade problem. You aren't using any Nightblade skills. If you played this way with any other class, you'd still be having issues.

Sighlynce · June 2014

My character is not a NB so as far as any advice toward your build etc wouldn't be constructive or helpful but my character is a Templar who died a lot when trying to take out Molag Bal. I was just as frustrated as you seem to be and right when I was ready to throw the keyboard and mouse out the window, I decided to check youtube . Defeating Molag Bal as a naked vampire (stage 4 vampirism) helped my get over this hump. Bal was immune to most of the skills I thought were money skills ! Best thing is stay away from him. I know a lot of people are having luck staying right behind him and slashing away, I couldn't stay behind him to save my life ( or my characters

). Hit him from a distance, your bow has got to be better than a healing staff

! His health will plug away and not regenerate. The dragons that come out, block with your bow the poison they are taking you out with will fire back at them and take them out

! This character build brought you this far,I mean this character beat Mannimarco in his confrontation

. Watch the video , hope it helps you like it did me and I promise once you get him , you'll swear killing Mannimarco was more intense and harder. Good luck and don't give up !

WyndStryke · June 2014

WyndStryke wrote: »

... For example, I'm on this very quest (L40 manimarco), I was killed off the first couple of attempts on it (that's fine, I know I don't have the strongest build), so now I'm going to fiddle with my skill bar to add some fighters guild abilities. I'll also go guild-store-hunting & find a suitable superlative regen drink. If that isn't enough, then I'll take another look and make more changes if necessary.

Here's my own update - I left the L40 Manimarco quest for a bit, experimented with new skills by fighting at dolmens, watched some youtube videos of the fight for ideas, and came back later (still at the same level). It was surprising easy the next time through, although admittedly I made my 4 NPC allies do most of the work

I also set up Wykkid's Outfitter add-on, so now I have custom skill bars for 1vMany, 1v1, and ranged. It's made a big difference to my play, now that I'm using appropriate skills for each encounter.

Gix · June 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Actually no, its because I did what I was supposed to do.... I dumped most of my points into health and stam, put nothing into magika at all. Now I see that all the NB class skills need and rely on magika, not stam, whereas my weapon skills rely on stam, not magika.... Hmmm...uh, so should I be great with a bow and DW and ignore my class skills or the otherway around. I have no idea. I just know that I cant do what I want to do, and if I try ZOS has it all backwards with requirements.

Yea, I could listen to some people that discovered the one way of making the NB work, but then why bother being a NB if your just emulating a sorc or a DK? What makes the NB class its own special class? nothing at all...

Amazing.

After reading all the posts in this thread explaining how to balance your class/weapon skills, you decided to continue ignoring your class skills entirely and forge onwards?

This isn't a Nightblade problem. You aren't using any Nightblade skills. If you played this way with any other class, you'd still be having issues.

This is the conclusion that I came to as well: "My class is broken because I'm not using class skills!"

I'm NB with bows and it works just fine. I have a kiting loadout and an AoE loadout. Dodging is possibly the best defensive ability you have... especially if you focus on Stamina.

MonkeyAssassin24 · June 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

The_Sadist wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Just an update...

Your character isn't stuck due to design, it's stuck because of you.

Actually no, its because I did what I was supposed to do.... I dumped most of my points into health and stam, put nothing into magika at all. Now I see that all the NB class skills need and rely on magika, not stam, whereas my weapon skills rely on stam, not magika.... Hmmm...uh, so should I be great with a bow and DW and ignore my class skills or the otherway around. I have no idea. I just know that I cant do what I want to do, and if I try ZOS has it all backwards with requirements.

Yea, I could listen to some people that discovered the one way of making the NB work, but then why bother being a NB if your just emulating a sorc or a DK? What makes the NB class its own special class? nothing at all...

There is no way you're married. If you refuse to adapt or compromise in order to complete one task, how in the world do you survive married life? Also judging on the voice and tone of your posts, you come off as a stubborn teen wanting things his way.

I guarantee I can pretty accurately describe your skill allocation. You like bows (which is fine, I use bow on my NB as well) and found 5 skills you loved using that helped blast through most normal mobs. Most of your other points are probably loaded in crafting skills, racials, and a few passives here and there.

Players here haven't been trying to get you to use ONE set-up and tactic to be like everyone else, they have suggested adding utility, survivability, and, hmm I don't know, swapping out a skill or two for this particular encounter. After you get past you can fall right back into your comfort zone with the same 5 abilities.

You are not a Nightblade, you are an archer. You also refuse to use any of the handful of posts other players have put in this thread to help you fine-tune your character to help get this quest done.

Shunravi · June 2014

Help! My 2h/bow Nightblade is stuck at Vet12!

Ok, that was mean. I'll be one of the first to say nightblades have problems, (as I soloed to get my tamriel hero achievement, so I have a lit of experience with the class.) NB play is very tactical, as even our aoe abilities boost single target power better than they do aoe damage. drain power boosts weapon damage, path of darkness increases melee range kiting. Even consuming darkness and soul shred are more about the defensive boost and stun then the damage they do (veil of blades) although that damage is respectable.
I made it through vet content by never letting myself stagnate on a single set of skills, I always changed things out depending on the fight (wykkyds outfitter is wonderful.) A very helpful tactic for vet 3-group mobs is to put a mark on the SECOND priority target. Then you burst down the first guy, be sure to block dodge and counter untill you get to the second, then your mark heals you in time to finish off the third. it's a risky play, as are all things nightblade, but it works. Even against three mages, etc.
That is the thing with nightblades though, it's high risk, high reward. (Mark target = more damage and a heal on kill but at the cost of survivability, siphoning strikes = insane sustain at the cost of damage.) Yes we can't always do things as effectively as other classes, even single target in some cases, but if you learn the class, and can play with the risk/reward its pretty fun.
I honestly don't remember the quest to well, other than the genius of hiding something from a necromancer inside a tomb. So there is better advice in the thread than I can give. Just move, cc, prioritize targets, and use whatever you can in the environment. Best of luck!

Edit: and honestly, if you are dead set on a stamina build, why worry about your class at all? You can still cloak with an invisible potion on any class. It's not spammable, but hey. If your not using your class abilities then why care?

rwood0604_ESO · June 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Allow me to clarify, seeing as everyone wants to blame me for the issues.

I chose Bow as my main weapon of choice, my secondary weapons are dual wield. I have the silver bolts skill from fighters guild slotted, that is pretty maxxed as well. I am also using the ultimate from siphoning.

I am aware there are certain skills and builds that work awesome for a NB. However if I wanted to cookie cutter character, like everyone else has, then I would choose that. I prefer not to melee in someones face, I prefer not to do what everyone else is doing. I like stealth, I like pinpoint accuracy with a bow, I like ot hide in the shadows and you never see it coming.

Unfortunately how I want to play is not how the developers want me to play, which is obvious during these battles that I cannot complete. I thought this game was about choice, and being able to make them. I made my choice, but if you notice, the quests that are giving me trouble are all those that ZOS FORCES me to do solo. I have no problems grouping and doing content with people, as I am setup for quick and fast DPS, so my damage output is fantastic. The problem is in the forced solo situations, even with the extra npc 'group' I have, they cant hold agro to allow me to do what I do best. Thus the main mob I am fighting is completely focused on me and I last about 25 seconds, that's with chugging a pot, roll dodging like a circus acrobat, and putting out the fighters guild circle of protection.

So guys, Im really happy for YOU if you have a build you like that works solo, but I do not. I refuse to respec just to do two quests, and waste points in things I do not want to use.

And yes, for all you nay-say-ers, I have done everything up to the main last quest. Every solo dungeon, every group dungeon, every quest I can possibly find to do. Obtained every skyshard so far. And yes, all that has only advanced me to 47. Before you ask tho, I have the skyshard add-on, and I also use two sites that direct me to where quest mobs are, so I feel confident in saying that I have done it ALL.

Complaining cause you can't play how you want in every situation in the game and still complete it is some a child would do, grow up evolve with your character you can always play how you want to, just doesn't mean you can always win either, if that was the case this game would be even more stupid easy than it already is. Honestly it is not always the games fault when someone can't do something, take WoW for instance because everyone knows that game people can have the same class same build and same gear as another max lvl and still fail horribly because they just can't play well, atleast in this game you can always change some things around that might help you, ZOS and everyone else here can't help it if you want to stay close minded.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · June 2014

In all of my years of gaming, i can finally see why WoW made it so you cant make a bad build.

badmojo · June 2014

I wish when people posted threads like this they would include a video of them dying over and over, along with an overview of their build, so we could analyze it and tell them what they're doing wrong.

Hamfast · June 2014

I am a Bow/DW Nightblade, I asked for and got lots of conflicting advice with Mannimarco... ignore the adds, ignore the drain worry about this forget that... get close, stay back....

First, Always make sure you have enough stamina to use poison arrow, it stops the drain and if you don't stop it you die... keep moving, never stop, try to stay out of the AOE attacks... use normal light-heavy attacks on Mannimarco (Drains and other NB Magicka based attacks help as well), take out the Adds as fast as you can, they kill you just as dead as the drain... it takes time and patience, but it can be done...

As I remember, he opens 3 gates, 3 sets of adds, and when he opens the gates he stops and stands still, Heavy attacks when he is still and this is the ONLY time you can actually stop moving, the rest of the time Strafe and Circle... try to keep your mouse pointed at your target (Mannimarco or the adds) as you circle (Yes, I also had this problem)... if you have enough stamina and want to hit him with another bow skill attack, fine, but always make sure you have enough for poison arrow.

Shunravi · June 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

I am a Bow/DW Nightblade, I asked for and got lots of conflicting advice with Mannimarco... ignore the adds, ignore the drain worry about this forget that... get close, stay back....

First, Always make sure you have enough stamina to use poison arrow, it stops the drain and if you don't stop it you die... keep moving, never stop, try to stay out of the AOE attacks... use normal light-heavy attacks on Mannimarco (Drains and other NB Magicka based attacks help as well), take out the Adds as fast as you can, they kill you just as dead as the drain... it takes time and patience, but it can be done...

As I remember, he opens 3 gates, 3 sets of adds, and when he opens the gates he stops and stands still, Heavy attacks when he is still and this is the ONLY time you can actually stop moving, the rest of the time Strafe and Circle... try to keep your mouse pointed at your target (Mannimarco or the adds) as you circle (Yes, I also had this problem)... if you have enough stamina and want to hit him with another bow skill attack, fine, but always make sure you have enough for poison arrow.

That's some pretty good advice for all areas of the game. Always keep track of what damages you the most, and learn its counter. Survivability is more then just blocking or healing through something, it's keeping yourself from getting hurt in the first place. Move, interrupt, and dodge.

WyndStryke · June 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

... As I remember, he opens 3 gates, 3 sets of adds, and when he opens the gates he stops and stands still, ...

Or, if you want to do this really easily, lead your NPCs into the combat area, but then run away again and stealth (since the OP's char is a sort-of nightblade). Wait for the NPCs to deal with all 3 sets of adds.

Once they've finished off the adds, come back, and then you only have Manimarco himself to deal with (since it is then 5:1 at that point it should be easy for a high-burst NB).

Talrenos · July 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Actually no, its because I did what I was supposed to do.... I dumped most of my points into health and stam, put nothing into magika at all. Now I see that all the NB class skills need and rely on magika, not stam, whereas my weapon skills rely on stam, not magika.... Hmmm...uh, so should I be great with a bow and DW and ignore my class skills or the otherway around. I have no idea. I just know that I cant do what I want to do, and if I try ZOS has it all backwards with requirements.

Yea, I could listen to some people that discovered the one way of making the NB work, but then why bother being a NB if your just emulating a sorc or a DK? What makes the NB class its own special class? nothing at all...

Amazing.

After reading all the posts in this thread explaining how to balance your class/weapon skills, you decided to continue ignoring your class skills entirely and forge onwards?

This isn't a Nightblade problem. You aren't using any Nightblade skills. If you played this way with any other class, you'd still be having issues.

Oh no, not 'ignoring' the class skills, more like 'noticing the class skills all use magika and I don't have any magika, only stam because that's what I thought I was supposed to do now im screwed out of using them complete;ly'

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

sfradenb14_ESO wrote: »

Actually no, its because I did what I was supposed to do.... I dumped most of my points into health and stam, put nothing into magika at all. Now I see that all the NB class skills need and rely on magika, not stam, whereas my weapon skills rely on stam, not magika.... Hmmm...uh, so should I be great with a bow and DW and ignore my class skills or the otherway around. I have no idea. I just know that I cant do what I want to do, and if I try ZOS has it all backwards with requirements.

Yea, I could listen to some people that discovered the one way of making the NB work, but then why bother being a NB if your just emulating a sorc or a DK? What makes the NB class its own special class? nothing at all...

Amazing.

After reading all the posts in this thread explaining how to balance your class/weapon skills, you decided to continue ignoring your class skills entirely and forge onwards?

This isn't a Nightblade problem. You aren't using any Nightblade skills. If you played this way with any other class, you'd still be having issues.

Oh no, not 'ignoring' the class skills, more like 'noticing the class skills all use magika and I don't have any magika, only stam because that's what I thought I was supposed to do now im screwed out of using them complete;ly'

If only you could re-allocate attribute points, re-enchant your gear or eat food in order to balance out your magicka-to-stamina ratio.

If only.