When will they nerf DK again for PVP?

xaraan · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

But hay guys! NB's can hide as long as they don't have a dot on them...seems fair

oh really now,
every time i go with a group of alot of people and im talkin like 30 people or more ..
we go to a keep to attack it and all you see is the dragonights sorcerers and templars all up in that fight and all up in thier face at the castle while all the rest of us nighblades are cowering way behind with bows and syphen and throwing daggers like were just weaklings and basicly garbage to help the fight hardly any at all.
it more then embarrasing, it's downright insulting and degrading. we cant compete with you guys, we just dont have the build to withstand the other classes damage output, nor can we do any real and true significant damage unless we are in stealth and catch you in unawares from behind. which i know for a fact aint gona happen in castle runs and stuff like that where everyone is running around and can see us instantly and warn all others.

sometimes we do catch you and get a small chance to stunn you and damn near kill you but its game over when you turn around and take us out almost instantly by your guys high damage, knockdowns, and insta-healing.

oh but that means were complaining and whine-ing and we are just not able to learn how to play, and we suk, and we are stupid. right?

Not to say there aren't still a few NB powers that need work (as well as continued work still needed for stamina builds) but it's not that bad. I have no issues with my NB running in and hanging with the other classes. I'm usually one of the last to fall in our little group when we run into trouble and I can do more 1v1 burst damage than anyone else in our group. Though If you have built your class totally around sneaking and ganking, then yeah, I can see why you might have issues in a straight up keep battle.

And I have to say, fighting a DK is only slightly more annoying than any other class because they spammed talons so much and you didn't get immunity from it. Any player that knows what they are doing with their class can be a pain to fight. DKs probably still need a bit more tweaking, but they don't need any huge nerfs at this point.

As for the OP's vid: I didn't see anything that over powered there, I saw bad players fighting a good player and they almost had him beat a few times but would not work together.

SRIBES · June 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Stop with it already. This game dont need anymore nerfs. Its a too much nerffest already. If you are so jelous about this skills, You should have rolled a DK.

Always this "that class got cooler skills than mine". Comon. catch a god damn break already..

Immunity from well over half of all incoming dmg in Cyrodiil is not a small problem. Have you been in Cyrodiil lately? Do you not see the wings sprouting up left and right nonstop while fighting enemies?

I posted how to easily counter it, go do it and stop bitching. Don't use projectiles on the people who use it! It drains the caster of scales magika and stamina of the cost of the ability shot at them. Having a bunch of people attacking him leaves the dragonknight with no stamina or magika if to many people are attacking him. It doesn't say it in the tooltip but it does happen. You guys cry about everything that kills you, learn how to play.
1) Read what I posted earlier on how to beat a dk.
2) Make sure you have a good computer and a good build.
3) Try and hit level cap to complete your build. Ex. Food, pots, gear, ultimates, actives, and passives.
If you're still not good go join a dueling guild then practice.
Some of you guys are just complaining to complain. It's not that hard to beat..

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

Mage's Fury IS reflected. Also Flying Blade, Lethal Arrow, and easily 80%+ of offensive abilities. Neat trick: Silver Bolts/Shards are reflected, including the proc - even if the caster isn't suitable for the proc. That was a helluva lot of fun while Silver Bolts was bugged.

For an example list of class abilities that aren't reflected, let's use Sorc: pets, daedric curse, encase, daedric mines, lightning splash. Then ultimates, but I hope you don't expect people to fall back on ults to deal with a single class ability. If a sorc doesn't happen to have those slotted, then their only recourse is white damage, which is laughable. Of course, mines, splash and pets (with the possible exception of volatile familiar) are also laughable. This leaves daedric curse and encase. Encase is expensive, low damage, and only useful to stamina-based crit builds. Slotting it just to deal with one possible enemy build is silly.

Hurray, sorcs have one (1) ability that's worth using against a reflecting DK. Too bad they don't stack up - recasting resets the timer.

All of that said, I don't have an issue with that one ability. The problem I have with DK's is they have too much going for them at once - too much general defense/unbelievable self healing/CC/overall DPS all at once. I'd have that issue with any class/build setup. No one should be able to be that strong in so many areas all at one time.

I say this as a player with vet level PvP characters of all 4 classes. I'm not partial to any one class or play style. I enjoy gank groups with my NB, large scale siege with DK, all sorts of playstyles with my Sorc, and... I should spend more time on my Templar again.

Every class has a few really great builds, but there's a reason why there are so many DKs in Cyrodiil that use (or are working up to) the same general build. That reason is not skill, it's class imbalance. Next time you're in a full raid, check the party demographics.

Mages fury isn't reflected. Read what I posted on how to beat a dragonknight, most of you crying to zos for nerfs should go read it.
Zenimax if you're smart you won't listen to these guys. Half of them don't know how to play the game

Erock25 · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Stop with it already. This game dont need anymore nerfs. Its a too much nerffest already. If you are so jelous about this skills, You should have rolled a DK.

Always this "that class got cooler skills than mine". Comon. catch a god damn break already..

Immunity from well over half of all incoming dmg in Cyrodiil is not a small problem. Have you been in Cyrodiil lately? Do you not see the wings sprouting up left and right nonstop while fighting enemies?

I posted how to easily counter it, go do it and stop bitching. Don't use projectiles on the people who use it! It drains the caster of scales magika and stamina of the cost of the ability shot at them. Having a bunch of people attacking him leaves the dragonknight with no stamina or magika if to many people are attacking him. It doesn't say it in the tooltip but it does happen. You guys cry about everything that kills you, learn how to play.
1) Read what I posted earlier on how to beat a dk.
2) Make sure you have a good computer and a good build.
3) Try and hit level cap to complete your build. Ex. Food, pots, gear, ultimates, actives, and passives.
If you're still not good go join a dueling guild then practice.
Some of you guys are just complaining to complain. It's not that hard to beat..

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

Mage's Fury IS reflected. Also Flying Blade, Lethal Arrow, and easily 80%+ of offensive abilities. Neat trick: Silver Bolts/Shards are reflected, including the proc - even if the caster isn't suitable for the proc. That was a helluva lot of fun while Silver Bolts was bugged.

For an example list of class abilities that aren't reflected, let's use Sorc: pets, daedric curse, encase, daedric mines, lightning splash. Then ultimates, but I hope you don't expect people to fall back on ults to deal with a single class ability. If a sorc doesn't happen to have those slotted, then their only recourse is white damage, which is laughable. Of course, mines, splash and pets (with the possible exception of volatile familiar) are also laughable. This leaves daedric curse and encase. Encase is expensive, low damage, and only useful to stamina-based crit builds. Slotting it just to deal with one possible enemy build is silly.

Hurray, sorcs have one (1) ability that's worth using against a reflecting DK. Too bad they don't stack up - recasting resets the timer.

All of that said, I don't have an issue with that one ability. The problem I have with DK's is they have too much going for them at once - too much general defense/unbelievable self healing/CC/overall DPS all at once. I'd have that issue with any class/build setup. No one should be able to be that strong in so many areas all at one time.

I say this as a player with vet level PvP characters of all 4 classes. I'm not partial to any one class or play style. I enjoy gank groups with my NB, large scale siege with DK, all sorts of playstyles with my Sorc, and... I should spend more time on my Templar again.

Every class has a few really great builds, but there's a reason why there are so many DKs in Cyrodiil that use (or are working up to) the same general build. That reason is not skill, it's class imbalance. Next time you're in a full raid, check the party demographics.

Mages fury isn't reflected. Read what I posted on how to beat a dragonknight, most of you crying to zos for nerfs should go read it.
Zenimax if you're smart you won't listen to these guys. Half of them don't know how to play the game

Fine I'll read your terrible wall of text posts and see all of the awesome ways to counter this ability ...

AsweetRoll wrote: »

When will they nerf nightblades, sorcs and templars? I run with a similar spec as sypher (the video poster and he didn't give you permission to post this as far as I am aware)
Nightblades shades would have torn through his stamina right there that he uses to hold block and mitigate abilities. He wasn't using the sybrane set in the video either. Nightblades ultimate veil of blades+harness magika makes you take 0 spell damage and 60% less melee damage while the shield holds. Also there is a bug where whatever spell the dk reflects (whether it be a bow attack or crystal fragments) it costs them the same amount as magika that it did the caster. Ex if a sorcs frags cost 300 (150 on proc) it costs the dragonknight 300 magika. Same goes for bow abiltes/flying blade but it drains stamina. And it's easy to see those big ass wings flop in the middle of a fight also. I've worked with sypher on some theorycrafting over at tamriel foundry forums and if you watch his streams or even run with a similar build you will have a hard time with templars, it will be a long fight but they will out heal dragonknight damage since we have no true burst other then whip. Sorcerers curse has hit me up to 900 and i've also been streaked through without my dragon fire scale up then they hit me with fragments. There are plenty of ways to counter it. Green dragon blood is 33% missing health, smart dks use it when they get low health which can be countered by adding a execute on your hotbar, if used when at above 25% health it's a magika waste. Don't understand why you *** about battle roar since it's only on ults. DK ultimates have already been nerfed and you have to be a dumb ass to sit around in standard.. Magma armor is destroyed through DoTs and only lasts 10 seconds. If you are having a hard time in PvP I reccomend you hit level cap if you havent, get better gear, make sure your build is viable, have food buffs up and a pot ready to chug at your disposal. If you aren't skilled enough join a dueling guild and practice. The only thing weak in PvP is stamina builds but that's another topic. Any class can be OP with the right build and people will die to a player more skilled or with a better build then them and come bitching on the forums about it. God I swear people cry to zos about anything that kills them..

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Oh and I forgot to mention that he had all of them cornered in the logs which is a great tactic and many of you should use, don't follow people into corners keep them in a wide open area. He also had mark target on him to help him kill the nightblades quicker I guess while they reflect there attacks that they weren't even paying attention that strife was getting reflected or they didn't know that those wings reflected there spells. Also consider that he has a better computer, mouse/monitor/keyboard then them which helped him win, or that you have a bad one and should upgrade it. A number of things must be taken into account and that this was almost a perfect situation that he was marked, people weren't paying attention and were reflecting there own attacks, (the people who used strife were just healing him and damaging themselves) he had people cornered in his standard, he may have had a good build, and had his ultimate ready. He was also holding block which could have been ripped through if they hadn't reflected there attacks. He had his ultimate up a lot for restoring attributes from losing magika/stamina from reflecting. since they were reflecting there own attacks he killed them fast and with the PvP passive you gain 25 ult each time you kill another player. Some of the players may have been vamps also. The amount of ways to counter this is to damn high.

1. NB Shade
- I do not play a NB but it was my understanding that most do not use Shades. At least that is what it sounded like when they were complaining about it compared to some Sorc skills. So this is useless advice since we can't be expected to swap skills once the DK using Reflective presents themselves.

2. Veil of Blades + Harness Magicka
- Needing an Ultimate to counter a class skill? BAD ADVICE

3. You then ramble about how we should use spells and abilities just to drain his magicka/stam but this isn't viable at all particularly if he is using syrabane set.

4. Then you did some name dropping and let everyone know you're a theory crafter. Sorry this has no use to the topic and I've seen your builds and am not a fan.

5. Sorc can use Vel Curse
- Oh good ... we have a spell that works against Reflective Scales. I'll be sure to cast it, wait the 3 or 3.5 seconds it takes to blow up and then cast it again. I like your anecdotal 'Curse hit me for 900!' part too where you absolutely know that isn't what it usually hits for and that 900 dmg over 3.5 seconds isn't all that special.

6. Your second wall of texts goes on a rant while not really giving any good counters to reflective scale besides 'get a better computer.' That little gem was almost as good as the 'permission to post a youtube video' bit you had earlier.

So all in all even though you state 'The amount of ways to counter this is to(sic) damn high' you failed to produce even one single viable way to counter this ability over two borderline incoherent walls of text.

I'm sorry you don't want your DK to be nerfed but this skill is ridiculous in conjunction with everything else a DK has going for them. You know, maybe if they didn't have the best tools for gaining ultimate (dots, aoe, aoe that does dots), or maybe they didn't have passives that restored 1000+ HP, Magicka, Stam on ultimate activation, or maybe they didn't have a very powerful instant heal + stam regen, then just maybe this skill could be considered balanced. But not even that is true, as no matter how you slice it, complete immunity from well over half of the incoming damage in Cyrodiil is OVERPOWERED.

psufan5 · June 2014

Shield charge to talons is the most OP combo in the game simply because you cannot break out from the CC effects being stacked. Other than that, they aren't all that bad.

jeradlub17_ESO · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Stop with it already. This game dont need anymore nerfs. Its a too much nerffest already. If you are so jelous about this skills, You should have rolled a DK.

Always this "that class got cooler skills than mine". Comon. catch a god damn break already..

Immunity from well over half of all incoming dmg in Cyrodiil is not a small problem. Have you been in Cyrodiil lately? Do you not see the wings sprouting up left and right nonstop while fighting enemies?

I posted how to easily counter it, go do it and stop bitching. Don't use projectiles on the people who use it! It drains the caster of scales magika and stamina of the cost of the ability shot at them. Having a bunch of people attacking him leaves the dragonknight with no stamina or magika if to many people are attacking him. It doesn't say it in the tooltip but it does happen. You guys cry about everything that kills you, learn how to play.
1) Read what I posted earlier on how to beat a dk.
2) Make sure you have a good computer and a good build.
3) Try and hit level cap to complete your build. Ex. Food, pots, gear, ultimates, actives, and passives.
If you're still not good go join a dueling guild then practice.
Some of you guys are just complaining to complain. It's not that hard to beat..

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

Mage's Fury IS reflected. Also Flying Blade, Lethal Arrow, and easily 80%+ of offensive abilities. Neat trick: Silver Bolts/Shards are reflected, including the proc - even if the caster isn't suitable for the proc. That was a helluva lot of fun while Silver Bolts was bugged.

For an example list of class abilities that aren't reflected, let's use Sorc: pets, daedric curse, encase, daedric mines, lightning splash. Then ultimates, but I hope you don't expect people to fall back on ults to deal with a single class ability. If a sorc doesn't happen to have those slotted, then their only recourse is white damage, which is laughable. Of course, mines, splash and pets (with the possible exception of volatile familiar) are also laughable. This leaves daedric curse and encase. Encase is expensive, low damage, and only useful to stamina-based crit builds. Slotting it just to deal with one possible enemy build is silly.

Hurray, sorcs have one (1) ability that's worth using against a reflecting DK. Too bad they don't stack up - recasting resets the timer.

All of that said, I don't have an issue with that one ability. The problem I have with DK's is they have too much going for them at once - too much general defense/unbelievable self healing/CC/overall DPS all at once. I'd have that issue with any class/build setup. No one should be able to be that strong in so many areas all at one time.

I say this as a player with vet level PvP characters of all 4 classes. I'm not partial to any one class or play style. I enjoy gank groups with my NB, large scale siege with DK, all sorts of playstyles with my Sorc, and... I should spend more time on my Templar again.

Every class has a few really great builds, but there's a reason why there are so many DKs in Cyrodiil that use (or are working up to) the same general build. That reason is not skill, it's class imbalance. Next time you're in a full raid, check the party demographics.

Mages fury isn't reflected. Read what I posted on how to beat a dragonknight, most of you crying to zos for nerfs should go read it.
Zenimax if you're smart you won't listen to these guys. Half of them don't know how to play the game

Sorry bud but Mage's Wrath and Endless Fury both get reflected. At least atm they are.

Erock25 · June 2014

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Stop with it already. This game dont need anymore nerfs. Its a too much nerffest already. If you are so jelous about this skills, You should have rolled a DK.

Always this "that class got cooler skills than mine". Comon. catch a god damn break already..

Immunity from well over half of all incoming dmg in Cyrodiil is not a small problem. Have you been in Cyrodiil lately? Do you not see the wings sprouting up left and right nonstop while fighting enemies?

I posted how to easily counter it, go do it and stop bitching. Don't use projectiles on the people who use it! It drains the caster of scales magika and stamina of the cost of the ability shot at them. Having a bunch of people attacking him leaves the dragonknight with no stamina or magika if to many people are attacking him. It doesn't say it in the tooltip but it does happen. You guys cry about everything that kills you, learn how to play.
1) Read what I posted earlier on how to beat a dk.
2) Make sure you have a good computer and a good build.
3) Try and hit level cap to complete your build. Ex. Food, pots, gear, ultimates, actives, and passives.
If you're still not good go join a dueling guild then practice.
Some of you guys are just complaining to complain. It's not that hard to beat..

e.jeffriesb14_ESO wrote: »

Mage's Fury IS reflected. Also Flying Blade, Lethal Arrow, and easily 80%+ of offensive abilities. Neat trick: Silver Bolts/Shards are reflected, including the proc - even if the caster isn't suitable for the proc. That was a helluva lot of fun while Silver Bolts was bugged.

For an example list of class abilities that aren't reflected, let's use Sorc: pets, daedric curse, encase, daedric mines, lightning splash. Then ultimates, but I hope you don't expect people to fall back on ults to deal with a single class ability. If a sorc doesn't happen to have those slotted, then their only recourse is white damage, which is laughable. Of course, mines, splash and pets (with the possible exception of volatile familiar) are also laughable. This leaves daedric curse and encase. Encase is expensive, low damage, and only useful to stamina-based crit builds. Slotting it just to deal with one possible enemy build is silly.

Hurray, sorcs have one (1) ability that's worth using against a reflecting DK. Too bad they don't stack up - recasting resets the timer.

All of that said, I don't have an issue with that one ability. The problem I have with DK's is they have too much going for them at once - too much general defense/unbelievable self healing/CC/overall DPS all at once. I'd have that issue with any class/build setup. No one should be able to be that strong in so many areas all at one time.

I say this as a player with vet level PvP characters of all 4 classes. I'm not partial to any one class or play style. I enjoy gank groups with my NB, large scale siege with DK, all sorts of playstyles with my Sorc, and... I should spend more time on my Templar again.

Every class has a few really great builds, but there's a reason why there are so many DKs in Cyrodiil that use (or are working up to) the same general build. That reason is not skill, it's class imbalance. Next time you're in a full raid, check the party demographics.

Mages fury isn't reflected. Read what I posted on how to beat a dragonknight, most of you crying to zos for nerfs should go read it.
Zenimax if you're smart you won't listen to these guys. Half of them don't know how to play the game

Sorry bud but Mage's Wrath and Endless Fury both get reflected. At least atm they are.

They get reflected and they are also useless when enemy is above 25% HP. Magicka focused Sorc literally can not do a thing to harm DK abusing reflective scale besides Resto heavy attacks and the 3.5 seconds to activate Curse.

Solanum · June 2014

If you see big dragonwings, wait four seconds with nuking.

I understand sorcerers get a bit frustrated because Endless fury spam and crystal shards spam is the only thing most of them apparently know when not bolt escaping all over the map.

That said, I think one of the main issues is the huge amount of love for magicka.
Cloth is the superior armor, and spells the superior utility, as well as the vastly superior offensive ability.
Staves reign supreme over all other weapons.
Stamina seems reduced to nothing more then the bar that shows how much you can block and roll.

As a result, an ability which I can cast perhaps a reasonable one or two times in a fight on my stamina based Dragonknight, becomes a spammable ability for the lad in a dress.

And it becomes even more potent since everyone and their mothers is throwing spells and magic projectiles, rather then stabbing the lad with a good old fashioned piece of sharpened steel.

Erock25 · June 2014

Solanum wrote: »

If you see big dragonwings, wait four seconds with nuking.

I understand sorcerers get a bit frustrated because Endless fury spam and crystal shards spam is the only thing most of them apparently know when not bolt escaping all over the map.

That said, I think one of the main issues is the huge amount of love for magicka.
Cloth is the superior armor, and spells the superior utility, as well as the vastly superior offensive ability.
Staves reign supreme over all other weapons.
Stamina seems reduced to nothing more then the bar that shows how much you can block and roll.

As a result, an ability which I can cast perhaps a reasonable one or two times in a fight on my stamina based Dragonknight, becomes a spammable ability for the lad in a dress.

And it becomes even more potent since everyone and their mothers is throwing spells and magic projectiles, rather then stabbing the lad with a good old fashioned piece of sharpened steel.

What do you think the DK will be doing in those four seconds where you are basically locked out of attacking them? The guy in the video had enough magicka to use Reflective Scale four times while spamming many other magicka skills to kill 6 VR people and he wasn't even using the Syrabane set. Sorc has one skill that takes 3.5 seconds to activate that can damage a DK like this. Can't even do basic light attacks with staffs and can only do heavy attacks with resto and lightning.

I find it funny that you complain about how your stamina DK can't spam this spell while you say Sorc are 'bolt escaping all over the map.' Did you know that with my stamina set up pre bolt escape nerf, I could only cast it four times starting at max magicka? Did you know I can't cast Bolt Escape more than twice now with my stamina set up? Are you aware of how many posts there were daily about how terrible and game breaking bolt escape was? It was an escape. An ability used to get away. It killed no one. Reflective Scale is just a-okay though, right?

NerfEverything · June 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

I have several classes, my main is a vr 12 templar and I can easily admit that both my templar and sorc feels more powerful overall in pvp now than my dk after all the nerfs to it and buffs to temp.
My dk also lacks both any kind of range class abilities or escape abilities, and that is a huge weakness.

I have several classes, My main is a VR12 Templar and I can easily admit that my VR12 DK is much more powerful in PvP than my Templar. My templar also lacks both resource management, and escabe abilities, and that is a huge weakness.

monkeymystic wrote: »

The dk reflect is bugged and drains resources

This has never been confirmed as a bug. If anything, the tooltip is inaccurate.

monkeymystic wrote: »

Reflective scales build is a joke compared to all that, because reflective scales only work on really bad players that have no clue what reflects are and never learn.
And reflective scales suffers from the resource drain bug that still isnt fixed, and 100% requires syrabane set to even work

Funny you say that, since the guy in the video is using reflective scales and not using the syrabane set.

Protip: using excessive formatting in your post doesn't make your statements any more believable.

ugabite · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

monkeymystic wrote: »

Sorcerers complain when their own OP spells with 36-40 meter range gets reflected back at them.

Stopped reading there because it became obvious you have nothing accurate to say.

He's kinda got a point. I think he's trying to say; Don't throw projectiles at people who flop there big ass wings. There is only one projectile in the sorcerer class. Using abilites while a templar has his bubble around you or a dragonknight has reflect on is hurting yourself more then it hurts them. Simply avoiding using that skill in the fight is easy, you have 10 abilites not using 1 will help you a lot in the fight. You can still use it just make sure there shield isn't uo and only use it when it's a active cast. There are so many counters to it..

SRIBES · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

I'm tired of all you bitching.
HOW TO BEAT A DK
1) Use the curse eater set for 33% reduced duration of there DoTs. (7/7 light. Impenitrable on the light armor that is crafted)
2) Use efficent Purge when needed to get 83% reduced duration of things like unstable flame, talons, etc. 83% with curse eater.
3) Stay out of standard and places where you can get trapped, ex. the logs that sypher trapped them in the video.
4) high spell crit to hit harder, be bursty if possible but sustain yourself.
5) Use damage shields or lots of heals. The sorcerer class has hardened ward + harness for very little damage to spells which is amazing when stacked with the curse eater set. If not sorc use lots of heals whether it be class heal or resto staff heal.
6) Use CC abilities then follow up with a burst like ability. Ex. Soul assult or Nbs death stroke(also reduces healing!) using these cc abilites is good because it prevents them from healing up with dragons blood, nbs burst makes there dragons blood nothing and same with battle roar.
7) Don't use stamina abilites, be magika class ability focused so you can break out of stuns and block attacks. Make sure you roll out of talons (not if purge is active) and stay out of standard.
8) if they use magma armor try to use DoTs to wreck through if.
9) Be better and out think/out last them. You can win if you're a better player but they can just as eaily win.
These are just a few ways to beat a dk.. If there's easy counters they don't need a nerf.
And 10) Catch them off guard if you're class plans to use projectiles; this works really well on a sorc, stay at a range and pretend like you're about to cast fragments but cancel it so it doesn't case and they just wasted magika using scales. When scale isn't up use a ability like streak and then fragment afterwords to catch them off guard. Just be smart

I was talking about this

ugabite · June 2014

you can name lots of counters to builds that might make you look cool and knowlegable however that refelct has no hard counter that would make spamming it undesirable you guys talk like the dk stands there and does nothing in the 4seconds duration of the skill simple facts are it counters every ranged spell/projectile in the game yet its drawbacks are so small we are talking about 1 skill here not counters to dks in general .tbh in pvp it dosent really effect me much i play vet 12 sorc and nb but a 4 second full reflect is a bit much it has no place in a pvp game even if it was 2-3 skills max reflected only it still be worth its majicka cost and be stong but mabye more situational

SRIBES · June 2014

I don't understand why you guys are bitching..
Zos I hope you don't listen to these guys asking for nerfs, most of them are just complaining to complain. Those who aren't cry because they got killed by a player better then them and since they died they have to start a thread on it and qq. Some of you are a joke. It's PvP, you just have to accept the fact there will be players more skilled and with a better build then you. Half of the in coming damage? That's complete bull ***. Mages fury isn't reflected guys.. I play a dragonknight and a sorcerer both are vr. DON'T USE PROJECTILES WHEN YOU SEE BIG ASS WINGS. I think i've made my point from a player who plays every class and has been for a long time in beta. The fight will be harder if they have wings up but you can still win, i'm sure a lot of you are skilled players but you need to out think guys. I've listed plenty of ways to beat them, make use of it and win.

Erock25 · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

I'm tired of all you bitching.
HOW TO BEAT A DK
1) Use the curse eater set for 33% reduced duration of there DoTs. (7/7 light. Impenitrable on the light armor that is crafted)
2) Use efficent Purge when needed to get 83% reduced duration of things like unstable flame, talons, etc. 83% with curse eater.
3) Stay out of standard and places where you can get trapped, ex. the logs that sypher trapped them in the video.
4) high spell crit to hit harder, be bursty if possible but sustain yourself.
5) Use damage shields or lots of heals. The sorcerer class has hardened ward + harness for very little damage to spells which is amazing when stacked with the curse eater set. If not sorc use lots of heals whether it be class heal or resto staff heal.
6) Use CC abilities then follow up with a burst like ability. Ex. Soul assult or Nbs death stroke(also reduces healing!) using these cc abilites is good because it prevents them from healing up with dragons blood, nbs burst makes there dragons blood nothing and same with battle roar.
7) Don't use stamina abilites, be magika class ability focused so you can break out of stuns and block attacks. Make sure you roll out of talons (not if purge is active) and stay out of standard.
8) if they use magma armor try to use DoTs to wreck through if.
9) Be better and out think/out last them. You can win if you're a better player but they can just as eaily win.
These are just a few ways to beat a dk.. If there's easy counters they don't need a nerf.
And 10) Catch them off guard if you're class plans to use projectiles; this works really well on a sorc, stay at a range and pretend like you're about to cast fragments but cancel it so it doesn't case and they just wasted magika using scales. When scale isn't up use a ability like streak and then fragment afterwords to catch them off guard. Just be smart

What the crap is this? Your list has nothing to do with Reflective Scales.

AsweetRoll wrote: »

I don't understand why you guys are bitching..
Zos I hope you don't listen to these guys asking for nerfs, most of them are just complaining to complain. Those who aren't cry because they got killed by a player better then them and since they died they have to start a thread on it and qq. Some of you are a joke. It's PvP, you just have to accept the fact there will be players more skilled and with a better build then you. Half of the in coming damage? That's complete bull ***. Mages fury isn't reflected guys.. I play a dragonknight and a sorcerer both are vr. DON'T USE PROJECTILES WHEN YOU SEE BIG ASS WINGS. I think i've made my point from a player who plays every class and has been for a long time in beta. The fight will be harder if they have wings up but you can still win, i'm sure a lot of you are skilled players but you need to out think guys. I've listed plenty of ways to beat them, make use of it and win.

Again this is just complete drivel with no substance. You seem to really be getting upset so you are resorting to insults. You are wrong about Mages Fury not being reflected, by the way. Even if it was reflected, it is utterly useless as a damaging spell when the enemy is above 25% HP. How can you possibly even attempt to justify that 'things that get reflected' aren't well over half of all incoming damage in cyrodiil. For Sorc it is everything but Curse. Destro staff light, heavy, destructive touch, and force shock. Resto staff light attacks. I'm not commenting on NB/Temp but if it follows the Sorc trend, it is basically every single target ranged attack (I feel Curse only gets by it on Sorc because of the strange delay mechanic). All of the above is a huge, significant portion of incoming damage (especially for those not in zergs where you are facing more AOE dmg) and DK is not only immune to it, but reflects it to damage enemies. You have not made your point at all and you seem a bit desperate actually.

Erock25 · June 2014

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

SRIBES · June 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

SRIBES · June 2014

Erock. Why do you think scale needs a nerf? It's already draining magika and stamina from the caster of the spells cost. Nerf sybrane? Give it a 4-5 second cool down. Lets talk about this and stop bitching. I think it's already been nerfed a lot. Sypher has lost to dks, templars, and nbs. It all comes down to skill

Erock25 · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

So you must be a kid with this bro talk. Makes more sense now. Adults can look at things objectively and unfortunately you can't.

'don't use projectiles is that to hard for you to comprehend '

Do you even read what I'm typing? Projectiles are a majority of incoming damage in cyrodiil and that is why reflective scale must be nerfed.

Schallen · June 2014

So ridiculous. The balancing in this game is just terrible.

SRIBES · June 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

So you must be a kid with this bro talk. Makes more sense now. Adults can look at things objectively and unfortunately you can't.

'don't use projectiles is that to hard for you to comprehend '

Do you even read what I'm typing? Projectiles are a majority of incoming damage in cyrodiil and that is why reflective scale must be nerfed.

Spoken like a true forum warrior, I'm 23. Is that a kid? No. I start to wonder what you do with your life and if you're a kid if you're following me around on forums seeing that I didn't know something about a resto staff and look at threads I start. People like you will ruin this game. You cry about everything that kills you while you have the skills right in front of you to win the fight, but you choose to give up half way. You come to the forums as soon as you see a player presented with those skills and opportunities use them while you choose not to. You will bring this game to it's end if you keep crying about everything that kills you. Don't be that guy. You need to train and practice more and maybe one day you'll be as good as I am and stop crying for nerfs. I'm done here.

Sypher · June 2014

You guys need to understand that only a handful of people can even attempt at doing this. Do you see DK's doing this daily? If so, there would be tons of videos out there and a dozen more threads crying for nerf.

I RARELY even pull this *** off. These guys were TERRIBLE, did you even see the sorc? He got knocked down by his crystal shard and got right back up and casted it again!

The Night Blades in the back? They kept spamming swallow soul and healing me.

The 3 guys who didn't know how to dodge roll out of my Standard? Dead.

I don't want to sound cocky in any way (I feel it is necessary though just to prove my point). In PvP i'm not your run of the mill player. I have studied so many builds and tactics of pvp that I know a player in and out within the first 5 seconds of combat. I rarely mis click, I'm precise with my heals, and I don't panic under pressure,

I'm also one of (if not) the top player in a competitive dueling guild that has close to 300 dedicated duelers in it. I duel daily, learn tactics, learn builds, and get better.

I can 2v1 other v12 Dragon Knights, why? Because some of them are predictable and under skilled.

---

I probably sound like a cocky prick, and I apologize for that. The point is.. NO ONE.. if only a handful of people have the skill to even ATTEMPT to do this.

This was good skill, mixed with even better luck.

Get over it.

Erock25 · July 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

So you must be a kid with this bro talk. Makes more sense now. Adults can look at things objectively and unfortunately you can't.

'don't use projectiles is that to hard for you to comprehend '

Do you even read what I'm typing? Projectiles are a majority of incoming damage in cyrodiil and that is why reflective scale must be nerfed.

Spoken like a true forum warrior, I'm 23. Is that a kid? No. People like you will ruin this game. You cry about everything that kills you while you have the skills right in front of you to win the fight, but you choose to give up half way. You come to the forums as soon as you see a player presented with those skills and opportunities use them while you choose not to. You will bring this game to it's end if you keep crying about everything that kills you. Don't be that guy. You need to train and practice more and maybe one day you'll be as good as I am and stop crying for nerfs. I'm done here.

23 and you write like that?

You've yet to present any reasonable way for any class to counter a reflect scales DK.

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys need to understand that only a handful of people can even attempt at doing this. Do you see DK's doing this daily? If so, there would be tons of videos out there and a dozen more threads crying for nerf.

I RARELY even pull this *** off. These guys were TERRIBLE, did you even see the sorc? He got knocked down by his crystal shard and got right back up and casted it again!

The Night Blades in the back? They kept spamming swallow soul and healing me.

The 3 guys who didn't know how to dodge roll out of my Standard? Dead.

I don't want to sound cocky in any way (I feel it is necessary though just to prove my point). In PvP i'm not your run of the mill player. I have studied so many builds and tactics of pvp that I know a player in and out within the first 5 seconds of combat. I rarely mis click, I'm precise with my heals, and I don't panic under pressure,

I'm also one of (if not) the top player in a competitive dueling guild that has close to 300 dedicated duelers in it. I duel daily, learn tactics, learn builds, and get better.

I can 2v1 other v12 Dragon Knights, why? Because some of them are predictable and under skilled.

---

I probably sound like a cocky prick, and I apologize for that. The point is.. NO ONE.. if only a handful of people have the skill to even ATTEMPT to do this.

This was good skill, mixed with even better luck.

Get over it.

@sypherpkub17_ESO

I do not doubt you are a good PVPer but look at that video again. When they find you, you cast Reflective Scales and over the next 4 seconds your health only goes to 88% even though everyone is opening up on you. Then, you're doing some DPS yourself with Shield Charge, Talons, Banner and more Talon spam. I'm sorry but AOE spam is not some sort of epic skills. You actually forget to recast Reflective Scales here and watch your HP from 44s to 48s ... you go from 88% to 41% in those brief seconds without Reflective Scales up. You recast and all a sudden you are invincible again. You will be a good player with or without Scales but you have to admit that it is overpowered and there isn't any way you would survive that without Scales.

What were those ranged casters supposed to do? Give me one viable technique for staff/ranged attackers besides the use of a single sorceror skill (vel curse) with a 3.5 second delay or using resto/lightning heavy attack? If an instant cast, spammable ability like Reflective Scales shuts out such a large portion of people's outgoing damage potential .... IT IS BROKEN OP.

No other ability in the game shuts down so much incoming damage with a push of a button. That is not skill. It would be OP even if it just negated the dmg, let alone reflect it back at the enemies.

DK are using Reflective Scales constantly in AvA.

SRIBES · July 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

So you must be a kid with this bro talk. Makes more sense now. Adults can look at things objectively and unfortunately you can't.

'don't use projectiles is that to hard for you to comprehend '

Do you even read what I'm typing? Projectiles are a majority of incoming damage in cyrodiil and that is why reflective scale must be nerfed.

Spoken like a true forum warrior, I'm 23. Is that a kid? No. People like you will ruin this game. You cry about everything that kills you while you have the skills right in front of you to win the fight, but you choose to give up half way. You come to the forums as soon as you see a player presented with those skills and opportunities use them while you choose not to. You will bring this game to it's end if you keep crying about everything that kills you. Don't be that guy. You need to train and practice more and maybe one day you'll be as good as I am and stop crying for nerfs. I'm done here.

23 and you write like that?

You've yet to present any reasonable way for any class to counter a reflect scales DK.

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys need to understand that only a handful of people can even attempt at doing this. Do you see DK's doing this daily? If so, there would be tons of videos out there and a dozen more threads crying for nerf.

I RARELY even pull this *** off. These guys were TERRIBLE, did you even see the sorc? He got knocked down by his crystal shard and got right back up and casted it again!

The Night Blades in the back? They kept spamming swallow soul and healing me.

The 3 guys who didn't know how to dodge roll out of my Standard? Dead.

I don't want to sound cocky in any way (I feel it is necessary though just to prove my point). In PvP i'm not your run of the mill player. I have studied so many builds and tactics of pvp that I know a player in and out within the first 5 seconds of combat. I rarely mis click, I'm precise with my heals, and I don't panic under pressure,

I'm also one of (if not) the top player in a competitive dueling guild that has close to 300 dedicated duelers in it. I duel daily, learn tactics, learn builds, and get better.

I can 2v1 other v12 Dragon Knights, why? Because some of them are predictable and under skilled.

---

I probably sound like a cocky prick, and I apologize for that. The point is.. NO ONE.. if only a handful of people have the skill to even ATTEMPT to do this.

This was good skill, mixed with even better luck.

Get over it.

@sypherpkub17_ESO

I do not doubt you are a good PVPer but look at that video again. When they find you, you cast Reflective Scales and over the next 4 seconds your health only goes to 88% even though everyone is opening up on you. Then, you're doing some DPS yourself with Shield Charge, Talons, Banner and more Talon spam. I'm sorry but AOE spam is not some sort of epic skills. You actually forget to recast Reflective Scales here and watch your HP from 44s to 48s ... you go from 88% to 41% in those brief seconds without Reflective Scales up. You recast and all a sudden you are invincible again. You will be a good player with or without Scales but you have to admit that it is overpowered and there isn't any way you would survive that without Scales.

What were those ranged casters supposed to do? Give me one viable technique for staff/ranged attackers besides the use of a single sorceror skill (vel curse) with a 3.5 second delay or using resto/lightning heavy attack? If an instant cast, spammable ability like Reflective Scales shuts out such a large portion of peoples outgoing damage potential .... IT IS BROKEN OP.

No other ability in the game shuts down so much incoming damage with a push of a button. That is not skill. It would be OP even if it just negated the dmg, let alone reflect it back at the enemies.

DK are using Reflective Scales constantly in AvA.

I've put many ways to counter scale! Are you blind? I will re type more ways to beat dks. In that situation if a nb used death stroke and summon shades his health and stamina would have dropped fast. Sorc put negate on banner. Templar heal them. Don't use projectiles and kill him or have sorcs pretend like they're casting fragments then block half way through to make him pop scales and waste magika while no one casts it. Curse eater will reduce the duration of talons and if a ally used efficent purge it would have reduced it by 83% vel curse hit me for 1.3k today, vol familar hit me hard today and I can't imagine if two sorcs were using that on me. Templars are the hardest foe for a dk since the heals are just insane. Those players sucked and sypher was presented with many ways to win. You can even chuck a spell projectile at the dk when at low health and heal yourself back up if you have absorb magic on your other bar. You are talking out of your ass

Erock25 · July 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

So you must be a kid with this bro talk. Makes more sense now. Adults can look at things objectively and unfortunately you can't.

'don't use projectiles is that to hard for you to comprehend '

Do you even read what I'm typing? Projectiles are a majority of incoming damage in cyrodiil and that is why reflective scale must be nerfed.

Spoken like a true forum warrior, I'm 23. Is that a kid? No. People like you will ruin this game. You cry about everything that kills you while you have the skills right in front of you to win the fight, but you choose to give up half way. You come to the forums as soon as you see a player presented with those skills and opportunities use them while you choose not to. You will bring this game to it's end if you keep crying about everything that kills you. Don't be that guy. You need to train and practice more and maybe one day you'll be as good as I am and stop crying for nerfs. I'm done here.

23 and you write like that?

You've yet to present any reasonable way for any class to counter a reflect scales DK.

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys need to understand that only a handful of people can even attempt at doing this. Do you see DK's doing this daily? If so, there would be tons of videos out there and a dozen more threads crying for nerf.

I RARELY even pull this *** off. These guys were TERRIBLE, did you even see the sorc? He got knocked down by his crystal shard and got right back up and casted it again!

The Night Blades in the back? They kept spamming swallow soul and healing me.

The 3 guys who didn't know how to dodge roll out of my Standard? Dead.

I don't want to sound cocky in any way (I feel it is necessary though just to prove my point). In PvP i'm not your run of the mill player. I have studied so many builds and tactics of pvp that I know a player in and out within the first 5 seconds of combat. I rarely mis click, I'm precise with my heals, and I don't panic under pressure,

I'm also one of (if not) the top player in a competitive dueling guild that has close to 300 dedicated duelers in it. I duel daily, learn tactics, learn builds, and get better.

I can 2v1 other v12 Dragon Knights, why? Because some of them are predictable and under skilled.

---

I probably sound like a cocky prick, and I apologize for that. The point is.. NO ONE.. if only a handful of people have the skill to even ATTEMPT to do this.

This was good skill, mixed with even better luck.

Get over it.

@sypherpkub17_ESO

I do not doubt you are a good PVPer but look at that video again. When they find you, you cast Reflective Scales and over the next 4 seconds your health only goes to 88% even though everyone is opening up on you. Then, you're doing some DPS yourself with Shield Charge, Talons, Banner and more Talon spam. I'm sorry but AOE spam is not some sort of epic skills. You actually forget to recast Reflective Scales here and watch your HP from 44s to 48s ... you go from 88% to 41% in those brief seconds without Reflective Scales up. You recast and all a sudden you are invincible again. You will be a good player with or without Scales but you have to admit that it is overpowered and there isn't any way you would survive that without Scales.

What were those ranged casters supposed to do? Give me one viable technique for staff/ranged attackers besides the use of a single sorceror skill (vel curse) with a 3.5 second delay or using resto/lightning heavy attack? If an instant cast, spammable ability like Reflective Scales shuts out such a large portion of peoples outgoing damage potential .... IT IS BROKEN OP.

No other ability in the game shuts down so much incoming damage with a push of a button. That is not skill. It would be OP even if it just negated the dmg, let alone reflect it back at the enemies.

DK are using Reflective Scales constantly in AvA.

I've put many ways to counter scale! Are you blind? I will re type more ways to beat dks. In that situation if a nb used death stroke and summon shades his health and stamina would have dropped fast. Sorc put negate on banner. Templar heal them. Don't use projectiles and kill him or have sorcs pretend like they're casting fragments then block half way through to make him pop scales and waste magika while no one casts it. Curse eater will reduce the duration of talons and if a ally used efficent purge it would have reduced it by 83% vel curse hit me for 1.3k today, vol familar hit me hard today and I can't imagine if two sorcs were using that on me. Templars are the hardest foe for a dk since the heals are just insane. Those players sucked and sypher was presented with many ways to win. You can even chuck a spell projectile at the dk when at low health and heal yourself back up if you have absorb magic on your other bar. You are talking out of your ass

Death Stroke + Shades ....sucks we have to go over this again but I don't think it is proper to say the counter to an instant spammable ability is the use of an Ultimate. Also Shades are garbage and no one uses them. Putting them on your bar just to fight reflective scales DK means the skill is OP. Why are you now talking about healing and about DK banner? We're talking about Reflective Scales here. Vol Fam is still not usable in PVP in my opinion because the targeting system is very poor. Only way to use Vol in pvp is be right up on someone when you summon it and getting right up on a DK is a bad idea in general. Vel Curse is the only way to hurt this DK and having one ability (reflective scale) negate so many forms of dmg is OP. How am I talking out of my ass? I am making perfect sense while you are spamming the same useless ideas that you really want to be an efficient counter to Reflective Scales because you are really proud of your new build http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525955 but @AsweetRoll‌ , they are not viable counters.

SRIBES · July 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

I guess now I know why @AsweetRoll‌ was sticking up for Reflective Scales so much http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525882 . Funny how two weeks ago you make posts highlighting that you don't know basic game mechanics (resto heavy attacks restore magicka, for instance) and now you write up someone else's build for them.

stalker bro? Gtfo and go make a build of your own, stop crying for nerfs, me and sypher are working on a build for people. How about you make a build better? This thread has turned into fighting and bitching. I did nothing to you so stop being a *** and learn to play the game and counter scales. I typed all this up for YOU. Don't use projectiles, is that to hard for you to comprehend? Do animation canceling and act as if you are going to cast a spell and then don't use it. I haven't used resto staff and that's why I didn't know that.

So you must be a kid with this bro talk. Makes more sense now. Adults can look at things objectively and unfortunately you can't.

'don't use projectiles is that to hard for you to comprehend '

Do you even read what I'm typing? Projectiles are a majority of incoming damage in cyrodiil and that is why reflective scale must be nerfed.

Spoken like a true forum warrior, I'm 23. Is that a kid? No. People like you will ruin this game. You cry about everything that kills you while you have the skills right in front of you to win the fight, but you choose to give up half way. You come to the forums as soon as you see a player presented with those skills and opportunities use them while you choose not to. You will bring this game to it's end if you keep crying about everything that kills you. Don't be that guy. You need to train and practice more and maybe one day you'll be as good as I am and stop crying for nerfs. I'm done here.

23 and you write like that?

You've yet to present any reasonable way for any class to counter a reflect scales DK.

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

You guys need to understand that only a handful of people can even attempt at doing this. Do you see DK's doing this daily? If so, there would be tons of videos out there and a dozen more threads crying for nerf.

I RARELY even pull this *** off. These guys were TERRIBLE, did you even see the sorc? He got knocked down by his crystal shard and got right back up and casted it again!

The Night Blades in the back? They kept spamming swallow soul and healing me.

The 3 guys who didn't know how to dodge roll out of my Standard? Dead.

I don't want to sound cocky in any way (I feel it is necessary though just to prove my point). In PvP i'm not your run of the mill player. I have studied so many builds and tactics of pvp that I know a player in and out within the first 5 seconds of combat. I rarely mis click, I'm precise with my heals, and I don't panic under pressure,

I'm also one of (if not) the top player in a competitive dueling guild that has close to 300 dedicated duelers in it. I duel daily, learn tactics, learn builds, and get better.

I can 2v1 other v12 Dragon Knights, why? Because some of them are predictable and under skilled.

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I probably sound like a cocky prick, and I apologize for that. The point is.. NO ONE.. if only a handful of people have the skill to even ATTEMPT to do this.

This was good skill, mixed with even better luck.

Get over it.

@sypherpkub17_ESO

I do not doubt you are a good PVPer but look at that video again. When they find you, you cast Reflective Scales and over the next 4 seconds your health only goes to 88% even though everyone is opening up on you. Then, you're doing some DPS yourself with Shield Charge, Talons, Banner and more Talon spam. I'm sorry but AOE spam is not some sort of epic skills. You actually forget to recast Reflective Scales here and watch your HP from 44s to 48s ... you go from 88% to 41% in those brief seconds without Reflective Scales up. You recast and all a sudden you are invincible again. You will be a good player with or without Scales but you have to admit that it is overpowered and there isn't any way you would survive that without Scales.

What were those ranged casters supposed to do? Give me one viable technique for staff/ranged attackers besides the use of a single sorceror skill (vel curse) with a 3.5 second delay or using resto/lightning heavy attack? If an instant cast, spammable ability like Reflective Scales shuts out such a large portion of peoples outgoing damage potential .... IT IS BROKEN OP.

No other ability in the game shuts down so much incoming damage with a push of a button. That is not skill. It would be OP even if it just negated the dmg, let alone reflect it back at the enemies.

DK are using Reflective Scales constantly in AvA.

I've put many ways to counter scale! Are you blind? I will re type more ways to beat dks. In that situation if a nb used death stroke and summon shades his health and stamina would have dropped fast. Sorc put negate on banner. Templar heal them. Don't use projectiles and kill him or have sorcs pretend like they're casting fragments then block half way through to make him pop scales and waste magika while no one casts it. Curse eater will reduce the duration of talons and if a ally used efficent purge it would have reduced it by 83% vel curse hit me for 1.3k today, vol familar hit me hard today and I can't imagine if two sorcs were using that on me. Templars are the hardest foe for a dk since the heals are just insane. Those players sucked and sypher was presented with many ways to win. You can even chuck a spell projectile at the dk when at low health and heal yourself back up if you have absorb magic on your other bar. You are talking out of your ass

Death Stroke + Shades ....sucks we have to go over this again but I don't think it is proper to say the counter to an instant spammable ability is the use of an Ultimate. Also Shades are garbage and no one uses them. Putting them on your bar just to fight reflective scales DK means the skill is OP. Why are you now talking about healing and about DK banner? We're talking about Reflective Scales here. Vol Fam is still not usable in PVP in my opinion because the targeting system is very poor. Only way to use Vol in pvp is be right up on someone when you summon it and getting right up on a DK is a bad idea in general. Vel Curse is the only way to hurt this DK and having one ability (reflective scale) negate so many forms of dmg is OP. How am I talking out of my ass? I am making perfect sense while you are spamming the same useless ideas that you really want to be an efficient counter to Reflective Scales because you are really proud of your new build http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/oblivion-battlemage-pvp-pve-tankdps-op/#post-525955 but @AsweetRoll‌ , they are not viable counters.

The thread title is when will they nerd DK again for PvP?
I'm posting counters. Here's the set up I use on my sorc in PvP
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mMmzvyk9cW0mia8AIOD8NNgI8NUVF8AIQ18A4hI8DohZ8NSOg8dauD8AIUM8fXhs8A4hI8Nikc8L7NLkLu8y7rLR3a8v7r68H7DLzwm6LbHm6MNieh6MNieA6MNieT6MNiey8J7JqziX6LziY8K7XLkg6rzuu6Lzuj8O7MrdeF8zk7zzvKVv8zf7ozNbo6rNbk8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
hardened ward+harness= 1.3k damage shield (or 2.3k for spells) say good bye to dragon knight class abilities. Always have absorb up so when you do use fragments on a proc and if they reflect it, it just heals you right back up. Act like your casting fragments then hold block so they just wasted scale. Catch them off guard and streak through then use fragments. Drop negate on standard for health and magika restore.
Nightblades shades is good, sucks that we have to go over this again.. they drain stamina; since anyone smart in PvP holds down block and casts active abilities it drains there stamina like crazy resulting in them having no more stamina to block your attacks or break CC. Death stroke reduces healing of dragons blood by 50%. This is perfect in a fight and you should have this ultimate built up every 15-30 seconds. http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mcszv0k9cW0miu8heRJ8GFlT8IrgV8IryJ8GFx28GHRk8IPQe8IPbk8IfVM8fXhs8Irxv8Ir3D8y7rLR3a8v7rLanQ8C7bmzqa6Lzqq6rzqu8D7JrzdM6rzdc6rzdm6LzdR6rbMz8F7GLzrJ6Lbuy8zz7zztyfm8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
It's like you have't ever PvPd before.

demenzia · July 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

But hay guys! NB's can hide as long as they don't have a dot on them...seems fair

oh really now,
every time i go with a group of alot of people and im talkin like 30 people or more ..
we go to a keep to attack it and all you see is the dragonights sorcerers and templars all up in that fight and all up in thier face at the castle while all the rest of us nighblades are cowering way behind with bows and syphen and throwing daggers like were just weaklings and basicly garbage to help the fight hardly any at all.
it more then embarrasing, it's downright insulting and degrading. we cant compete with you guys, we just dont have the build to withstand the other classes damage output, nor can we do any real and true significant damage unless we are in stealth and catch you in unawares from behind. which i know for a fact aint gona happen in castle runs and stuff like that where everyone is running around and can see us instantly and warn all others.

sometimes we do catch you and get a small chance to stunn you and damn near kill you but its game over when you turn around and take us out almost instantly by your guys high damage, knockdowns, and insta-healing.

oh but that means were complaining and whine-ing and we are just not able to learn how to play, and we suk, and we are stupid. right?

Hmm isn't it what NB class supposed to be? I guess I understand your problem now, you want to have all that cool NBs skills, to be fast and sneaky, but also to be able to wipe the whole Cyrodiil population, ignoring the fact that it's not what your class is designed for.
It is also not true that you can't do real damage unless you are in stealth. Well, maybe you can't, but other NBs definitely can. For the last 3 weeks the most significant damage I got from NBs, even DK's standard can't compete to some of your skills, not even ultimate ones. Daily quest to kill 20 DKs is the easiest among others, not only because there are a lot of them, but also because they are actually quite easy to kill if you know how to do it, only those with emperor buff and really good hardcore players can be the problem, but they are tough anyway, no matter what their class is.

Vis · July 2014

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

Just on a side note: DK's Reflective Scale is again an example, how overpowered DK's are compared to other classes:

DK Reflective Scale (Dragonfire Scale): Reflects all projectiles with 20% damage increase

Templar Eclipse (Unstable Core): Has to be cast on a target, targets single target spells are reflected, deals damage to nearby enemies when effect ends.

Which one would you choose? I think it's quite obvious, which ability is better (DK: become immune against spell projectiles, Templar: immune against spell projectiles of *one* target)

You forgot to mention it costs almost the same as a bolt (without the 50‰ increase) so it can be easily spammed.

DKs wanted bolt nerfed why not have the same Nerfs applied to scales as bolt but on a 8 second timer, but that is the part of me that resents hearing DKs qq. No more Nerfs ZOS but you must buff some dps skills to counter scales.

Vis · July 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

I'm tired of all you bitching.
HOW TO BEAT A DK
1) Use the curse eater set for 33% reduced duration of there DoTs. (7/7 light. Impenitrable on the light armor that is crafted)
2) Use efficent Purge when needed to get 83% reduced duration of things like unstable flame, talons, etc. 83% with curse eater.
3) Stay out of standard and places where you can get trapped, ex. the logs that sypher trapped them in the video.
4) high spell crit to hit harder, be bursty if possible but sustain yourself.
5) Use damage shields or lots of heals. The sorcerer class has hardened ward + harness for very little damage to spells which is amazing when stacked with the curse eater set. If not sorc use lots of heals whether it be class heal or resto staff heal.
6) Use CC abilities then follow up with a burst like ability. Ex. Soul assult or Nbs death stroke(also reduces healing!) using these cc abilites is good because it prevents them from healing up with dragons blood, nbs burst makes there dragons blood nothing and same with battle roar.
7) Don't use stamina abilites, be magika class ability focused so you can break out of stuns and block attacks. Make sure you roll out of talons (not if purge is active) and stay out of standard.
8) if they use magma armor try to use DoTs to wreck through if.
9) Be better and out think/out last them. You can win if you're a better player but they can just as eaily win.
These are just a few ways to beat a dk.. If there's easy counters they don't need a nerf.
And 10) Catch them off guard if you're class plans to use projectiles; this works really well on a sorc, stay at a range and pretend like you're about to cast fragments but cancel it so it doesn't case and they just wasted magika using scales. When scale isn't up use a ability like streak and then fragment afterwords to catch them off guard. Just be smart

Is this the US tax code?

If the list for beating a sorc was this long you would be red eyed from all your qq.

SRIBES · July 2014

Vis wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

I'm tired of all you bitching.
HOW TO BEAT A DK
1) Use the curse eater set for 33% reduced duration of there DoTs. (7/7 light. Impenitrable on the light armor that is crafted)
2) Use efficent Purge when needed to get 83% reduced duration of things like unstable flame, talons, etc. 83% with curse eater.
3) Stay out of standard and places where you can get trapped, ex. the logs that sypher trapped them in the video.
4) high spell crit to hit harder, be bursty if possible but sustain yourself.
5) Use damage shields or lots of heals. The sorcerer class has hardened ward + harness for very little damage to spells which is amazing when stacked with the curse eater set. If not sorc use lots of heals whether it be class heal or resto staff heal.
6) Use CC abilities then follow up with a burst like ability. Ex. Soul assult or Nbs death stroke(also reduces healing!) using these cc abilites is good because it prevents them from healing up with dragons blood, nbs burst makes there dragons blood nothing and same with battle roar.
7) Don't use stamina abilites, be magika class ability focused so you can break out of stuns and block attacks. Make sure you roll out of talons (not if purge is active) and stay out of standard.
8) if they use magma armor try to use DoTs to wreck through if.
9) Be better and out think/out last them. You can win if you're a better player but they can just as eaily win.
These are just a few ways to beat a dk.. If there's easy counters they don't need a nerf.
And 10) Catch them off guard if you're class plans to use projectiles; this works really well on a sorc, stay at a range and pretend like you're about to cast fragments but cancel it so it doesn't case and they just wasted magika using scales. When scale isn't up use a ability like streak and then fragment afterwords to catch them off guard. Just be smart

Is this the US tax code?

If the list to beating a sorc was this long you would be red eyed from all your qq.

I should have said tips, my bad. The number one way is skill. These are just tips to help you

JLB · July 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Spoken like a true forum warrior, I'm 23. Is that a kid? No. I start to wonder what you do with your life and if you're a kid if you're following me around on forums seeing that I didn't know something about a resto staff and look at threads I start. People like you will ruin this game. You cry about everything that kills you while you have the skills right in front of you to win the fight, but you choose to give up half way. You come to the forums as soon as you see a player presented with those skills and opportunities use them while you choose not to. You will bring this game to it's end if you keep crying about everything that kills you. Don't be that guy. You need to train and practice more and maybe one day you'll be as good as I am and stop crying for nerfs. I'm done here.

You totally edited and changed your answer afterwards.
For a "true forum warrior", you don't seem to know much about forum ethics either.