Bah...I'm Giving Up !

Phantax · June 2014

Before the Mods move in this is not a quitting thread (I'm not quitting)

I am however not playing the game while it's in its current state !

Craglorn is a dead zone, literally. Yesterday (a weekend, prime time day) was rubbish there. Pretty much impossible to get a group, chat was almost non existent, anomalies are still a joke since the nerf ! (they need to be set back to how they were before)
VR zones... don't make me laugh ! I was in a VR9 zone and I can honestly say I saw about 4 people in nearly 5 hours. Tried a couple of times to engage in conversation but nothing. (not saying these peeps were bots, they weren't but they certainly weren't friendly either) Don't know if it was a stealth buff or a bug, but as a couple of threads have pointed out VR mobs are doing more damage than before the patch. Players (the few there are) are spending more time running back to repair and/or dying than they are enjoying the game !
Cyrodiil , well I got just 3 letters to sum up that area... FPS ! ! ! (say no more)

I made a quip in some other post about being on the forums is more enjoyable than playing the game. looking back at the comment... it's sadly true ! I'm having more fun/interaction with other players here than I was in the game (and for that to be true there is something definitely, seriously wrong)

I can't even say that I'm eagerly awaiting Monday's fix. Honestly.. my main thought about Monday is "What else are they going to break?"

I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

Phantax · June 2014

Just realised (not that I'd actually forgotten) I have next week off work. Think this may be the first time I have time off and have zero plans to play my 'current' MMO.

Looking back over the last few weeks I've had just as much fun doing stuff like-

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/115133/battle-dungeons-new-group-v-group-pve-instances#latest

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96773/dark-anchor-improvement#latest

Maybe its time to dust off 'Game Maker' and 'Unity 3D' even 'Blender' get myself back into some game/level design. Something constructive to keep my mind active for a week....lol

rhoekieb16_ESO · June 2014

I can only say this to ZOS and to you,

You reap what you sow.

ZOS sow a game in early beta stage,riddled with gamebreaking bugs and some huge exploits,some identified but not fixed during testing(i still know of 10 exploits 80% of the playerbase has still no knowledge of,but they will at some point)

You reap, people running away in droves,ammount of negative posts and threads growing by the day on this and all ESO related forums.

And they deserve every last one of them.

yenkin2001b14_ESO · June 2014

I have stopped playing this as my main game, since I bought 6 months I am in hopes that in the next couple of months things will improve and people will start playing the game. But I have not seen such issues since playing Hellgate London, which was a game that could have potentially been grate, but got released to early because the publisher pushed it out the door.

We can't live in a lets get it out the door, and make money and fix the bugs. The biggest issues is the beta, never went further than a few beginner zones. So the later content never got tested. Sorry, you loose.

F2P here we come.

Laz · June 2014

rhoekieb16_ESO wrote: »

I can only say this to ZOS and to you,

You reap what you sow.

ZOS sow a game in early beta stage,riddled with gamebreaking bugs and some huge exploits,some identified but not fixed during testing(i still know of 10 exploits 80% of the playerbase has still no knowledge of,but they will at some point)

You reap, people running away in droves,ammount of negative posts and threads growing by the day on this and all ESO related forums.

And they deserve every last one of them.

Saying this makes you a problem, and admitting it gets your account locked dude. Why would you openly admit this?

apterous · June 2014

all i see is pointless whine

SystemiK · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

I can't even say that I'm eagerly awaiting Monday's fix. Honestly.. my main thought about Monday is "What else are they going to break?"

Given past history, it's a legitimate concern.

Sindala · June 2014

Quitter.

Bloodfang · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

Seems like the less employees game has, the better job it does lol..

Trion - 200 employees
Zenimax Online - 250 employees
Blizzard Entertainment - 4700 employees

I'll agree with you only about Trion.

Blizzard and I go way back, and I for one know very well WoW is far from being a polished game, never was and never will be. (Looking at you bugged Wrath quests, even though it's been 5 years since then)
If I take out their horrible graphics art, I can begin with their PvP, it's one of the worst in the whole genre, they promised fixing and balancing it for 10 years straight (Yep empty promises, the last expansion had worst balance since the vanilla days).
But fine if I take PvP out of that game as well, all we have left is PvE and that is only one thing - Raids.
Exploration is non-existent, quest and profession system is crappy at best. There are only 2 things Blizzard does well Marketing and Raid System, all other things are average or beyond average.

ESO might not be all I wanted it to be, most of the time I feel like there are many things still missing from the game. But I can't get past the fact how rich detailed worlds are, they feel incredibly alive and immersive, something I never experienced in any other MMO..

I think people thought they would get whole Tamriel since Day 1, I think they don't understand it takes 10 Skyrim games to get that done, it's that huge. Perhaps in the future we will get all that, as for now I'm very happy which direction this game is heading too.

claytonjhouserb14_ESO · June 2014

Last Time I check WoW only had class balance issues, I've played since BC and can gladly say it was nearly bug free they fixed their bugs in record time. I dont know what WoW you played but they kep their game clean while Zos just *** up more stuff when they set out to fix. This game is heading somewhere and it is not a good place.

Zebug · June 2014

Lol you played WOW since BC...... Which was how many years after the game first came out? Of course bugs were few.... Goodness I don't get people nowadays

seaef · June 2014

Laz wrote: »

rhoekieb16_ESO wrote: »

I can only say this to ZOS and to you,

You reap what you sow.

ZOS sow a game in early beta stage,riddled with gamebreaking bugs and some huge exploits,some identified but not fixed during testing(i still know of 10 exploits 80% of the playerbase has still no knowledge of,but they will at some point)

You reap, people running away in droves,ammount of negative posts and threads growing by the day on this and all ESO related forums.

And they deserve every last one of them.

Saying this makes you a problem, and admitting it gets your account locked dude. Why would you openly admit this?

Not only saying it here, but the exact same post in another thread...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/115634/i-m-fed-up

/facepalm

Phantax · June 2014

claytonjhouserb14_ESO wrote: »

Last Time I check WoW only had class balance issues, I've played since BC and can gladly say it was nearly bug free they fixed their bugs in record time. I dont know what WoW you played but they kep their game clean while Zos just *** up more stuff when they set out to fix. This game is heading somewhere and it is not a good place.

Agreed, WoW's biggest issue was class balance (and a lot of that stemmed from Duels) One group was never happy and Blizzard always sided with whoever moaned the loudest.
However bug wise, yes they had issues (like any MMO) but as Clayton said they fixed them very quickly.
Trion, feck knows how they managed it but RIFT was the least buggy MMO I've played.

@Despair9 you seem to remember a WoW I have never played? (I played from just before BC to just after Cataclysm.

Despair9 wrote: »

But I can't get past the fact how rich detailed worlds are, they feel incredibly alive and immersive, something I never experienced in any other MMO

ESO is far from alive and immersive (but its getting there slowly) Once we get a global AH for a dynamic economy, Group/open world dynamic events (GW2 type events) and Anchors/Dark Fissures are more like the events in RIFT, then ESO will start to become a leader in the MMO genre !

I believe (thinking back) somebody also made a suggestion for 'Group v Group' time trial Dungeons, that sounded like a great idea ! (something else for immersion/player interaction)

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/115133/battle-dungeons-new-group-v-group-pve-instances#latest

Jimm_ay · June 2014

Actually I find saturday daytime in the summer to be slow..I played last night around midnight and the place was busy.

ArconSeptim · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Before the Mods move in this is not a quitting thread (I'm not quitting)
I am however not playing the game while it's in its current state !

Craglorn is a dead zone, literally. Yesterday (a weekend, prime time day) was rubbish there. Pretty much impossible to get a group, chat was almost non existent, anomalies are still a joke since the nerf ! (they need to be set back to how they were before)
VR zones... don't make me laugh ! I was in a VR9 zone and I can honestly say I saw about 4 people in nearly 5 hours. Tried a couple of times to engage in conversation but nothing. (not saying these peeps were bots, they weren't but they certainly weren't friendly either) Don't know if it was a stealth buff or a bug, but as a couple of threads have pointed out VR mobs are doing more damage than before the patch. Players (the few there are) are spending more time running back to repair and/or dying than they are enjoying the game !
Cyrodiil , well I got just 3 letters to sum up that area... FPS ! ! ! (say no more)

I made a quip in some other post about being on the forums is more enjoyable than playing the game. looking back at the comment... it's sadly true ! I'm having more fun/interaction with other players here than I was in the game (and for that to be true there is something definitely, seriously wrong)

I can't even say that I'm eagerly awaiting Monday's fix. Honestly.. my main thought about Monday is "What else are they going to break?"

I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

I agreee I'm not playing it since the last patch, and I pay for this "" ....

Lodestar · June 2014

Zebug wrote: »

Lol you played WOW since BC...... Which was how many years after the game first came out? Of course bugs were few.... Goodness I don't get people nowadays

About 2 years or thereabouts I think.

Madval · June 2014

All is fine for me so I continue playing

Tandor · June 2014

Jimm_ay wrote: »

Actually I find saturday daytime in the summer to be slow..I played last night around midnight and the place was busy.

Agreed. MMOs usually are slowest in the Summer, it's been suggested that one or two gamers venture out of their basements and into the sunlight although I personally think there must be some other explanation.

Blackwidow · June 2014

apterous wrote: »

all i see is pointless whine

Sindala wrote: »

Quitter.

By all means, don't defend the game, just attack the poster.

@Phantax we all need a break from a game once in a while. Hopefully ESO get's better over time and we can come back to a game that does not feel like it is in beta.

Have a nice day.

Tandor · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Once we get a global AH for a dynamic economy, Group/open world dynamic events (GW2 type events) and Anchors/Dark Fissures are more like the events in RIFT, then ESO will start to become a leader in the MMO genre !

I wholeheartedly agree that all those points would make an enormous difference, especially the first one. MMOs depend on a thriving economy that applies across the community, and this one is so fragmented that it is effectively broken. Even if the original concept of trading through multiple guilds was the correct one, which in my view it was not, those guilds are now reporting such declining attendance that the system clearly cannot be working as intended.

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

Game breaking? No. There are bugs but they don't break the game lol. I play the weakest class in the game and do just fine in pve vr6-10. Adapt.

This is a learn to adapt issue.

As for the lag in cyrodil..stop playing on wabbajack its an overpopulated zerg fest.

Noshiz · June 2014

Sunlight??? Are you nuts?!

Hadria · June 2014

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game breaking? No. There are bugs but they don't been the game lol. I play the weakest class in the game and do just fine in pve vr6-10. Adapt.

This is a learn to adapt issue.

As for the lag in cyrodil..stop playing on wabbajack its an overpopulated zerg fest.

I agree, this whole game is a learn to adapt issue which is why so many prone can't handle it! it's not like the mmos out there right now so it shocked everyone's system and they ran. Which is sad really cause this game is fantastic.

Snit · June 2014

Join a guild.

If you rely on being able to quickly form pickup groups for endgame content, most games will disappoint. WOW is the only game I know of where you can rely on mechanic to force-form a group, which will then silently blast through watered-down content like so many bots. In most games, you have to make an effort to form persistent social connections.

So join a guild, a good one. Or several. That's the key to most endgame issues in MMO's.

Talketzanto · June 2014

People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

Hadria · June 2014

Talketzanto wrote: »

People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

It's too hard for them and they can't adapt from the other mmos to this one so they're going back to where they feel comfortable.

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

It's not about adapting, it's about being bored with the lazy hand-waving excuse to not deliver new content and the tedium of grinding super-powered trash mobs. Give us a real story and real enemies with a range of difficulties and we're in. Just waving your hand and saying 'a wizard did it' does not make recycled content either good or make sense and just using a multiplier on trash mob abilities does not create an interesting challenge.

Blackwidow · June 2014

Hadria wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

It's too hard for them and they can't adapt from the other mmos to this one so they're going back to where they feel comfortable.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?

The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
Lack of end game
lack of a real auction house.
Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
Lack of feedback from devs
impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
Bugs/crashes
class balance is utter crap.
5 guilds system sucks
Inventory GUI is horrible
being forced into solo play quests
No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
15 minute long 'raids'
Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
Lag
Rapid Gear Decay.
Overall direction of game
Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
megaserver/phasing/sharding system
VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
Broke abilities and passives
intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
instances of grouping are sometimes not working
Memory leak problems
Bad grouping tools
the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
Unresponsive combat
the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
Bad guild banks options
Lack of an real open world
not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
Can't reply in mail
No dueling
poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
No underwater swimming
No law system
I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
No housing
Lack of user friendly GUI
No options for floating names
No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.

"I think people just complain just to complain"

Yeah, no problems I can find.

Hadria · June 2014

Those are just your opinions, not everyone dislikes most of what you listed.

Ecco · June 2014

For every guy like this who sees the sky falling, there are 50 players *playing* who are thoroughly enjoying the experience. They don't stop to post "this game is great", they just play.

My wife and I left out of frustration earlier on so I know the feeling, but we came back and realized what we were missing. There are still annoying problems, but the positives vastly outweigh (for us) any negatives. The game is great and full of promising potential. I still yell at my screen from time to time lol, but there is a reason we both keep coming back.

As for population, one thing you will notice is that players gravitate to efficient hubs to call home. For the AD, the town of rawl'kha in Reaper's March is always fantastically crowded because it is the best town in the game for quick access to way shrine, bank , crafting stations, merchants, etc. The bank is ALWAYS overpopulated. The gamer population is there, they are just more efficient than you realize.

Blackwidow · June 2014

Hadria wrote: »

Those are just your opinions, not everyone dislikes most of what you listed.

Actually they are not my opinions at all. They are a list of complaints from this forum from other players.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/108433/what-do-you-not-like-about-playing-eso/p1