Bah...I'm Giving Up !

LrdRahvin · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Those are just your opinions, not everyone dislikes most of what you listed.

Actually they are not my opinions at all. They are a list of complaints from this forum from other players.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/108433/what-do-you-not-like-about-playing-eso/p1

Oh....

SNAP

circilion · June 2014

I can forgive all of that! If only they would fix the Memory Bleed bug for Mac's so I could PvP!!

thank goodness Guilds have 500 players in them. My PvP guild isn't even suspicious that i have not been seen in Cyridill once!

Blackwidow · June 2014

Ecco wrote: »

For every guy like this who sees the sky falling, there are 50 players *playing* who are thoroughly enjoying the experience. They don't stop to post "this game is great", they just play.

And for every poster like you there are 50 people who quit or are really pissed at the game and don't post a thing.

It goes both ways.

My wife and I left out of frustration earlier on so I know the feeling, but we came back and realized what we were missing.

I find this funny.

So many stories lately about people who left in frustration who are already back and have seen the light.

The game has been out for about three months.

What makes you think you will now be staying if you could not even stick with it for that long in the first place?

The bank is ALWAYS overpopulated. The gamer population is there, they are just more efficient than you realize.

Really. I have a video of me standing in a bank yesterday with nobody in it for atleast a minute. Not one soul.

I'll post it when I get home

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Personal experience:

- Small group PvP, hunting other small groups, is pretty decent. But I stay away from the zerg, as I'm running 22 FPS at the best of times in PvE land. I'll hold out till they have more comprehensive fixes or I get a new machine, whichever comes first. But I can be patient. I'm looking forward to arena PvP and sub-campaigns anyhow, but I'll enjoy what's here in the meantime.

- Veteran zone players thin out considerably after finishing the second alliance. Pre VR-6 zones are actually busy, and 1-50 zones are really busy. I'm thinking many players, like myself, hit VR6 and made alts. There's a lot of fighting and dying in VR levels, and not a lot of reward, and it gets disheartening. But I expect a VR content patch is coming, due to the players who are leaving, and am patient. I have plenty of time for alts till then.

- Dungeons are fun, when the group is up. There are plenty of active players out there, but not all of them are in guild with me. I have a feeling it's time for me to go guild shopping again, but that's been fairly common in MMO's and happens every few months anyhow.

- Craglorn, I haven't done much in besides grind. And I think everyone else grinding. Like a dungeon group, I think this is going to be more of an organized affair.

I'm still missing housing (in the works), better character customization (dyes in the works), more guild features (in the works), small scale PvP (maybe in the works), better VR experience (in the works), adding theft and murder (in the works), and better balance for my stamina builds (in the works).

At this point, the things I think they haven't addressed was character recustomization, rebuilding the skill respec system, giving crafters an end-game (see post in crafting subforum), and making Cyrodiil effect the game world (see post under my profile).

Gotta say, for three short months of live, I'm pretty damn happy.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

Despair9 wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

Seems like the less employees game has, the better job it does lol..

Trion - 200 employees
Zenimax Online - 250 employees
Blizzard Entertainment - 4700 employees

I'll agree with you only about Trion.

Blizzard and I go way back, and I for one know very well WoW is far from being a polished game, never was and never will be. (Looking at you bugged Wrath quests, even though it's been 5 years since then)
If I take out their horrible graphics art, I can begin with their PvP, it's one of the worst in the whole genre, they promised fixing and balancing it for 10 years straight (Yep empty promises, the last expansion had worst balance since the vanilla days).
But fine if I take PvP out of that game as well, all we have left is PvE and that is only one thing - Raids.
Exploration is non-existent, quest and profession system is crappy at best. There are only 2 things Blizzard does well Marketing and Raid System, all other things are average or beyond average.

ESO might not be all I wanted it to be, most of the time I feel like there are many things still missing from the game. But I can't get past the fact how rich detailed worlds are, they feel incredibly alive and immersive, something I never experienced in any other MMO..

I think people thought they would get whole Tamriel since Day 1, I think they don't understand it takes 10 Skyrim games to get that done, it's that huge. Perhaps in the future we will get all that, as for now I'm very happy which direction this game is heading too.

Trion has a dream team of Game developers. those guys know their stuff its why they are being paid tens of millions of dollars and a profit share for the Archeage NA port.
My hope is they will tackel another MMO that runs in the same vein of EQ2. Or more of a sandpark then theme park or sand box. Anyone with any progressive design concepts or creative control have long since left blizzard . Many work at Trion ans welll as the true talent form the Everquest franchinse.

Drazhar14 · June 2014

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones? Less players around means more loot (chests, resources), dungeons will actually be populated with monsters and bosses, there is more challenge, and overall feels more like an Elder Scrolls game. Craglorn was just bad design, requiring 4 players to complete certain quests. It should scale for your group size. As for dungeons and trials, yeah it can be tough finding a good group, but I suppose that's what guilds are for. A lot of people in my guild stopped playing though, so I don't know what I'm going to do when I get there...

As for all the bugs, they should have released the game a month later and finished testing it. They might still have had a large number of people subbed right now if they did that.

Blackwidow · June 2014

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Hadria wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

It's too hard for them and they can't adapt from the other mmos to this one so they're going back to where they feel comfortable.

Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?
The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil. Stay with the Zerg if u are low lvl

Lack of end game Dont rush content in this NEW game

lack of a real auction house. You dont need one to get rich

Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played. PVP is 5% of the game

Lack of feedback from devs Agree

impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works RP died years ago, but agree

Bugs/crashes Marginal

class balance is utter crap. Its getting better constantly.

5 guilds system sucks Agree, its unpersonal Join a real guild with sister guilds.

Inventory GUI is horrible Same as every other ES game

being forced into solo play quests Only a few of them and they teach you how to paly your class properly.

No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost. Agree, cost of respec should be cut in half.

15 minute long 'raids' Game is still new. Dont get mad you rushed content.

Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...Wait until Dark brotherhood comes

Lag I live in middle of no where alaska with low end DSL and barely lag. Stop playing on Wabbalag

Rapid Gear Decay.Lol...dtop dieing

Overall direction of gameRead the road to come, looks amazing.

Reasoning behind changing things because of botsnecessary evil happens in all MMO's

megaserver/phasing/sharding system better than having ghost servers

VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)Here is one of your main issues. Rushing to vr12 vs playing the NEW game.

Broke abilities and passivesThey arent game breaking so they are low on the totem pole.

intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...

instances of grouping are sometimes not working

Memory leak problemstheres been 2 and they were fixed in a few days.

Bad grouping toolsGrouping tools are fine, just not used.

the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles

Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time

guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work

Unresponsive combatStop playing on Wabbalag too many people.

the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devsYou said this already.

Bad guild banks optionsAgree, there needs to be a week+ log and more options/ranks.

Lack of an real open worldIn other more open MMO's you still are subjected to your lvl range.

not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screenStop playing on Wabbalag

Can't reply in mail

No duelingEpeen glorification will come later, game is new.

poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.It's really not as big of a deal as people make it out to be... This is hard to grasp for millenials with their now now now me me mine mine attitude.

No underwater swimmingWould be pointless.

No law systemRead about upcoming justice/pvp system

I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.

No housingRoad to come, not a big issue. jsut another time sink.

Lack of user friendly GUI

No options for floating namesTheres a mod for it.

No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.Google is awesome

"I think people just complain just to complain"

Yeah, no problems I can find.

Phantax · June 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Trion has a dream team of Game developers. those guys know their stuff its why they are being paid tens of millions of dollars and a profit share for the Archeage NA port.
My hope is they will tackel another MMO that runs in the same vein of EQ2. Or more of a sandpark then theme park or sand box. Anyone with any progressive design concepts or creative control have long since left blizzard . Many work at Trion ans welll as the true talent form the Everquest franchinse.

Yeah, hopefully (and I admit it's slim) Zenimax with all their millions can poach some of Trion's team/design leaders and get them onto the ESO payroll. Just imagine what they could do with a game the depth of ESO !

Fairydragon3 · June 2014

Ecco wrote: »

I still yell at my screen from time to time lol,

lol don't we all, this is when i stop for the night and play again the next day. Ive notice the more people play video qames the more they tend to be a bit cranky after long grinds that's why I take a nap/ sleep. everything is better after

LrdRahvin · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Trion has a dream team of Game developers. those guys know their stuff its why they are being paid tens of millions of dollars and a profit share for the Archeage NA port.
My hope is they will tackel another MMO that runs in the same vein of EQ2. Or more of a sandpark then theme park or sand box. Anyone with any progressive design concepts or creative control have long since left blizzard . Many work at Trion ans welll as the true talent form the Everquest franchinse.

Yeah, hopefully (and I admit it's slim) Zenimax with all their millions can poach some of Trion's team/design leaders and get them onto the ESO payroll. Just imagine what they could do with a game the depth of ESO !

Not likely with ArcheAge coming soon(TM).

Rift is dwindling in terms of playerbase and Trion is looking for ArcheAge to turn the fortunes around after the debacle that was Defiance.

So they'll likely be taking pretty good "care" of their best designers and codemonkeys.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Ecco wrote: »

I still yell at my screen from time to time lol,

lol don't we all, this is when i stop for the night and play again the next day. Ive notice the more people play video qames the more they tend to be a bit cranky after long grinds that's why I take a nap/ sleep. everything is better after

My most angry is on the elite or boss that you get down to 10% health and then he one-shots you, while your running at less than 50% armor cause you've been gaming all night and no guild mates are online.

That's usually when I have to step back a bit. But I never do. Too stubborn.

Fairydragon3 · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that hasn't moved to niche or plain been ended?

Evergnar · June 2014

http://youtu.be/0tluNm_43rg
For everyone including Zos.

Phantax · June 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that has moved to niche or plain been ended?

Sure... "The Secret World" the only game I can think of that truly has no class system !
EVE Online... 'the' stereotype niche MMO

MrDenimChicken · June 2014

Talketzanto wrote: »

[*] poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.It's really not as big of a deal as people make it out to be... This is hard to grasp for millenials with their now now now me me mine mine attitude.

LOL. yeah, blame the players!!!!

They should love it unconditionally! no matter how boring or repetitive or lazily implemented the VR system is! All these new kids with their "iPads" and their "Macbooks", they don't know how good they have it!

/sarcasm off.

Get over yourself

Phantax · June 2014

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

[*] poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.It's really not as big of a deal as people make it out to be... This is hard to grasp for millenials with their now now now me me mine mine attitude.

LOL. yeah, blame the players!!!!

They should love it unconditionally! no matter how boring or repetitive or lazily implemented the VR system is! All these new kids with their "iPads" and their "Macbooks", they don't know how good they have it!

/sarcasm off.

Get over yourself

@MrDenimChicken

I wouldn't worry too much Chicken boy, just read what the guy said.. "It's really not as big of a deal as people make it out to be..." ! ! !
Because of course there hasn't been dozens of threads from numerous players complaining about Craglorn, its dynamics, and the segregation its caused in the game. If he really knew anything he'd have kept his mouth shut, instead of opening it and letting everybody know he knows very little !

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

LrdRahvinb14a_ESO wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Trion has a dream team of Game developers. those guys know their stuff its why they are being paid tens of millions of dollars and a profit share for the Archeage NA port.
My hope is they will tackel another MMO that runs in the same vein of EQ2. Or more of a sandpark then theme park or sand box. Anyone with any progressive design concepts or creative control have long since left blizzard . Many work at Trion ans welll as the true talent form the Everquest franchinse.

Yeah, hopefully (and I admit it's slim) Zenimax with all their millions can poach some of Trion's team/design leaders and get them onto the ESO payroll. Just imagine what they could do with a game the depth of ESO !

Not likely with ArcheAge coming soon(TM).

Rift is dwindling in terms of playerbase and Trion is looking for ArcheAge to turn the fortunes around after the debacle that was Defiance.

So they'll likely be taking pretty good "care" of their best designers and codemonkeys.

To be fair Defiance was always meant to be a niche small experimental game. It did not cost them much at all to make.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that has moved to niche or plain been ended?

Sure... "The Secret World" the only game I can think of that truly has no class system !
EVE Online... 'the' stereotype niche MMO

and we all see how that Open class system worked for TSW. That game almost collapsed funcom AOC did way better and still is beating TSW.

Phantax · June 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Phantax wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that has moved to niche or plain been ended?

Sure... "The Secret World" the only game I can think of that truly has no class system !
EVE Online... 'the' stereotype niche MMO

and we all see how that Open class system worked for TSW. That game almost collapsed funcom AOC did way better and still is beating TSW.

I never said it was a great game. The guy asked for niche games, I gave him two !

Mablung · June 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that has moved to niche or plain been ended?

Warhammer - Closed
Star Wars Galaxies -Closed
Shadowbane - Closed
City of Heroes - Closed
Defiance - Niche

coryevans_3b14_ESO · June 2014

Laz wrote: »

rhoekieb16_ESO wrote: »

I can only say this to ZOS and to you,

You reap what you sow.

ZOS sow a game in early beta stage,riddled with gamebreaking bugs and some huge exploits,some identified but not fixed during testing(i still know of 10 exploits 80% of the playerbase has still no knowledge of,but they will at some point)

You reap, people running away in droves,ammount of negative posts and threads growing by the day on this and all ESO related forums.

And they deserve every last one of them.

Saying this makes you a problem, and admitting it gets your account locked dude. Why would you openly admit this?

He didn't say he used them, he said he's aware of them. Reading comprehension is a good skill to have.

johnlentinijrub17_ESO · June 2014

Personally hate MMO forums, and count my self as one of the "50 quiet ones who say nothing and quit".
It just saddens me greatly as I have been a long running ES fan for years.
Unfortunately I have come to the conclusion that giving Zenimax the contract for the long awaited ESO was franchise suicide. They released a game that should have still been in Alpha.
After doing every single activity in every zone up to VR8 I have decided my time and love for one of the greatest stories of Video game lore has diminished.

Goodbye lads, Hopefully I'll be back when things get better (if they ever do)...

Phantax · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that has moved to niche or plain been ended?

Warhammer - Closed
Star Wars Galaxies -Closed
Shadowbane - Closed
City of Heroes - Closed
Defiance - Niche

I'd forgotten all about Shadowbane

necrolineage · June 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

apterous wrote: »

all i see is pointless whine

Sindala wrote: »

Quitter.

By all means, don't defend the game, just attack the poster.

@Phantax we all need a break from a game once in a while. Hopefully ESO get's better over time and we can come back to a game that does not feel like it is in beta.

Have a nice day.

Yeah and we can just wait some months to come back in a F2P. Such a shame to ask people to pay for a game in this state.

LIQUID741 · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Just realised (not that I'd actually forgotten) I have next week off work. Think this may be the first time I have time off and have zero plans to play my 'current' MMO.

Looking back over the last few weeks I've had just as much fun doing stuff like-

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/115133/battle-dungeons-new-group-v-group-pve-instances#latest

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/96773/dark-anchor-improvement#latest

Maybe its time to dust off 'Game Maker' and 'Unity 3D' even 'Blender' get myself back into some game/level design. Something constructive to keep my mind active for a week....lol

I had last week off as well...I just caught myself up on all the shows I had on my DVR while the wife was at work. Had 0 ambition to log on at all.

Phantax · June 2014

necrolineage wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

apterous wrote: »

all i see is pointless whine

Sindala wrote: »

Quitter.

By all means, don't defend the game, just attack the poster.

@Phantax we all need a break from a game once in a while. Hopefully ESO get's better over time and we can come back to a game that does not feel like it is in beta.

Have a nice day.

Yeah and we can just wait some months to come back in a F2P. Such a shame to ask people to pay for a game in this state.

Although I hate the thought of this game going F2P, I can say one thing for certain. The moment it does (if it does) Zenimax will never get a single penny from me in any form of ESO transaction, EVER !

kewl · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

I can't even say that I'm eagerly awaiting Monday's fix. Honestly.. my main thought about Monday is "What else are they going to break?"
When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax!:(

I'm feeling the same way. Been unable to play for three days because of a bug in Patch 1.2.3. Don't have much confidence they will fix it in the twelve days before my sub expires. I really like this game, but I'm not paying if I can't play.

Redlag · June 2014

I'm about done too. First post and haven't complained once.

When we started this game, my wife, my brother and I, would level 6-7 levels and then go to cyrodiil to gear up in dungeons. After the first two weeks the loot drops got nerfed into ridiculous rates.

Having leveled all 8 of my character slots to over 18 to get my crafters enough points to max.. I realize Im wearing level 8 gear on level 15s and level 39-42 gear on level 46 chars because nothing usable drops, ever.

VR = the more I level the weaker I feel compared to the mobs I'm fighting. That's the opposite of how the game should work outside of group dungeons.

The banking/mail/crafting system is the worse I've ever seen. We get to play an hour.. Somewhere in the middle of that I mail to my wife and she mails to me. When we get full again we mail again. She returns my mail. I then get to log in a character fill up his packs, and then go on a wild ride of SLOW loading screens logging into each profession alt I have and going through the bank. Logging out when I sort through. Log back on to the ONE character I have with enough bag space to check mail and fill my bank again. Repeat 3x and I sit there an hour. So essentially I play an hour and then go through the loot for an hour. By the time Im done. I don't want to play this load screen monster game for a day or two.

My VR NB started out 2hand/bow and medium armor. My VR dragon knight started out 1hand-shield/2hand and heavy armor. My 43 Templar started out shield/bow and light. My Sorcerer started out duel weild/bow and light.. They are now ALL in light armor and destroy/resto staffs.

Armor and weapons aren't balanced at all. Light get's spell resists (most quest mobs/bosses use magic damage). Mana regen, which effect class ability usage and HEALS (therefore you don't need heavy armor).. plus the two classes that have symmetry with light armor destro/resto also come with armor buffs.. LMAO. If a NB uses medium and siphoning strikes. It will take a hit to magic powers. Kind of a deter to not wearing light armor for magic regen. Why do sorcs and dragonknights not take a hit to mana regen when using armor buffs? Why are destro/resto symmetries returning more health then plate when plate doesn't have anything but health and armor?

Why is Cyrodiil nothing more than DAoC "Frontiers" when the people who truly enjoyed AvA already denied Frontiers? Matt and Mark never learn from failures. We'll Cyrodiil/Frontiers is strike 2. We want Emain, and if someone is taking a keep we'll go to farm RPs (implement RPs). Not because we want to stand just out of range trying to find an inch to reach the enemy while they trebuchet and oil us. Learn from your failures. EMAIN>Cyrodill/Frontiers..

Bye.

Fairydragon3 · June 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Drazhar14 wrote: »

Am I the only one who enjoys the empty Veteran Zones?

There are some real big advantages to a low population game. Seriously, it can be fun to have the game to yourself or with a few friends with nobody else getting in your way.

I think ESO has turned into a niche game like DDO, Rift, SWTOR and others like that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107497/i-found-a-silver-lining#latest

Ok by me, can you name one MMO since WOW launced, that has moved to niche or plain been ended?

Sure... "The Secret World" the only game I can think of that truly has no class system !
EVE Online... 'the' stereotype niche MMO

aaaahhhh i meant hasnt, my stupid fingers got me again