I used this as a comment to someone elses post and figured it was worthy of its own title!

so you're deliberately spamming the forums? okay

complaining about complainers i see...

It's not the console gamers who expect it to be bug free. It's the PC gamers who like to compare it to other mmo games they played.

Denial!! The good that keeps disappearing with each major patch? Need to realize your not the only one in game that has been around with more than 12 mmo experience, and tbh this is actually one of the worst despite all the potential and hooplah that it had in the beginning.

A lot of good seems to go away fast once you go beyond lvl 10, whilst most other mmo's that is when you actually gain and even more when you hit the end lvls. So far what we keep hoping for seem to fail and actually add more issues to the base that was good.

Forced solo instance ... so you are complaining that character development and an awesome personal story, that you are required to play (which, honestly takes up about ...MAYBE 2 total hours of game play) ruins the game? what is "broke" I'm in vet levels, and I am not experiencing hardly any issues that others complain about, I get next to no lag, I can solo or group, hardly, if any, lag in Cyrodiil ... vet mobs are hard? oh noes ... a game that has difficulty!

people are jumping ship to other MMOs that are better? I don't think there is a better F2P mmo out there ... there are a lot of subpar, graphically challenged, yet easy to play games that require next to no challenge.

Bag space bother you in the game....how about we limit trade skills to only 2 per character then and offer all the bag space in the world?

character unbalanced, name me any game in which all characters are perfectly balanced?

Do you not like the fact that you can either quest to level or grind mobs to level? oh no .. to many choices?

hate the fact that magicka is the dominate over stamina builds .... ya me too .. it sucks! but I have faith it will change!

umm .. damn I'm trying to think of all these game ending bugs and directions and I cant think of many at all!

sandbox PvP bother you? do you feel forced to fight castle to castle? think outside the box! once you open up and take it for what it offers, the PvP in this game will grow exponentially! skirmishes, gank squads, open world choke points, battles behind the lines, gate ganking!, stealth death squads! ..there is so many possibilities right now! doesn't mean they wont add more PvP options down the road .. its just what it was launched with ...give it time to grow!!


List the real issues with the game that don't involve simple difficulties of gameplay ... and also .. anyone can see what's wrong! .. with your list, give a solution you think would fix it!

Lodestar wrote: »

jbroin1619_ESO wrote: »

It is amazing to hear how much everyone complains that an MMO was launched "unfinished" MMOs are NEVER finished!

It is amazing to see how many people quote this verbatim, without even thinking it through.

No game is bug free, no. But time and again, context is ignored, to make a blanket defence. The context that is, software developers, are run by money people, and like any other corporation today, cut expenditure and anything else they can, including testing. And it is getting more prevalent in each industry.

Only for some reason, software, has the same level of accountability, as banking, finance and politics. The money people want the money from the big new media, but, they don't want to offer the quality. And it is not just MMO's. In last 10 years, I have seen what I call "release now, patch later". And the shortfalls are becoming increasingly apparent across the board. MMOs are included, yet let off the hook rather bizzarely, simply for being MMOs.

Yes, many MMOs launch incomplete with bugs, and warts. Which is exactly why, when having seen the regular fallout from this, it makes no sense to follow suit in the same way, or worse, try press your luck even more. The only people who want this are the investors. I really do not feel sorry for them, when an MMO they put money in, gets slammed, because the devs rushed it to give them what they wanted, over their customers.

Nor, am I surprised when for the nth time the fallout happens under exactly the same circumstances. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. It is no longer a defence to me, as it is evidence for the prosecution. If it happens so often, and you know it will likely happen again if you do it, the why do it?

I don't really feel sorry for the investors when people complain about incomplete MMOs. And they are the people your really defending. I don't think they need defending.

Since you just copy pasted your post, I have done so too.

Yes people are going to complain when they care about a game and watch it die. Every other thread is about Dead VR zones, VR difficulty, VR tedium, class balance, etc.

It is all tied together in one gigantic glaring issue. VR content. A thousand angry or concerned threads shine with a glaring light on this issue, yet ZoS and fanbois alike insist on ignoring it.

"Everything is fine here folks. Move along. Nothing to see here"

I haven't seen a game sink this fast since Conan. Yet ZoS refuses to say anything meaningful other than "we are aware of your concerns".

Yes people are complaining because they are not getting what was advertised and what they paid for.

jbroin1619_ESO wrote: »

Forced solo instance ... so you are complaining that character development and an awesome personal story, that you are required to play (which, honestly takes up about ...MAYBE 2 total hours of game play) ruins the game?

Yes, especially since that "two hours" of forced-solo instancing effectively walls off most of the higher-level content.

You forgot about that little detail, eh?

I know it's such a travesty for people to expect something to actually work properly.

jbroin1619_ESO wrote: »

"It is amazing to hear how much everyone complains that an MMO was launched "unfinished" MMOs are NEVER finished! World of Warcraft was launched with almost no content past level 40. Hell, Maraudon wasn't even in the game yet. The issue lies with console gamers making the switch to online games and expecting a complete entity. this game will never be fixed, it will never be balanced, there will always be bugs that people find ... its the life of an MMO! So, rather than wallowing in negativity, how about we start enjoying what is RIGHT with the game, because, seriously ..there are ALOT more things good in this game than most others when they launch! I have been at the launch of about 12 MMOs and this was one of the smoothest launches I have ever been a part of!

Online games, in their beginnings, go through a lot of hell for the first year or so. enjoy the game for whats good about it and have a bit of faith that they will take pride in their product and always keep moving forward!

stop expecting a finished product and enjoy the living, always changing, world of ONLINE GAMES!"

I used this as a comment to someone elses post and figured it was worthy of its own title!

Well, you were wrong. I would like to complain about your complaining about the complaints. 2/5 stars

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

You know why most other MMOs go F2P? Because of this logic.

Todays market is not like 10 years ago , this game cant survive like WoW did , because it is late for that party , a hell of a lot late. There are tons of MMOs out there , tons of players already jumped ship because there are other options they think are much better out.

This game has huge issues since launch , fine , most MMOs share this trait , the real issue is how they manage to break more than fix on half the patches and still cling to certain design choices that do nothing but cost them players left and right (like the forced solo instance and the forced group content for vrs 11/12 to a smaller degree).

This x100 interweb points.

These folks have the WORST patches I've ever seen. To break so many things after each patch is ridiculous and sad.

I'd attribute 90% of the 'bugs' to players misunderstanding the game mechanics. In a way that's cool - who wants to be thinking about software or hardware mechanics when playing a game? - but it also ticks me off when players immediately jump to the conclusion that, for example, a boss with a resurrection ability is 'bugged' because he didn't die immediately the first time you killed him. I'd have probably been less annoyed if this player hadn't been in a VR zone at the time.

How can you play for that long and not know this is intended behaviour not a bug?

What is the difference between ESO and WoW you ask as to why ESO is treated differently?


WoW has a story that people care about. ESO has an /epicfail story esp VR range: You simply do not care about the factions/core characters in this game like you do Alliance/Horde.


Also... customer relations with this game is a total disaster with this game unlike Blizzard: There they never stop talking. This game is like GW2/ArenaNet but far worse in terms of "being left in the dark".


And as others have noted above: The "Life Expectancy" of a MMORPG in a market filled with them is a month at best. Releasing a beta and expecting people to pay 15USD/month in an economy with large scale youth unemployment among other issues is /epicfail.

...apparetnly you never talked to RPers (WoW or otherwise) before. Perhaps not aware of Slyvannas Windrunner? Thrall? So on so forth.

WoW is built around many core characters and stories, with 1345123412423 of pages of backstory (you can read on wowpedia.org). With ESO: Of course there is generally TES story but characters in this game are very limited.


If you notice my username perhaps that would answer your question alas case in point ESO wise: PvPers don't care about lore. PvEers don't care about Emperor Title.


Thus.... /epicfail ESO (although main story has potential at least)...