Improvement Failed with 100% Chance

Maulkin · June 2014

I managed, after a long time, to get a v12 Dominion's Lightning Staff drop from the Cyrodiil rewards. I went to improve it at the woodworking table and got it all the way to purple.

I then proceeded to improve it to gold quality and despite using 5 gold improvement mats for 100% chance, the improvement failed and thus I lost both the rare staff and the mats

Has anybody had this happen to them or is it only me?

Note: Not that it matters but my woodworking is lvl 50.

Nidwin · June 2014

Isn't it 20 Gold to improve it?

Maulkin · June 2014

Nidwin wrote: »

Isn't it 20 Gold to improve it?

Not if your woodworking is lvl 50.

You need 2 Greens, 3 Blues, 4 Purples and 5 Golds to improve it all the way from white to gold.

Nidwin · June 2014

Ok, thanks.

Didn't know it.

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2014

I've had this and there have been threads about it in the past.

I bugged it. But as yet 100% still doesn't mean 100% apparently.

It would be good to know what 100% means > 95% ? 90%?

It would also be good to have some green name clarification on this.

semp3rfi · June 2014

I've had items fail on me while crafting with 100% chance. It's infuriating

Nukeyak · June 2014

Just happened to me post patch too, quite annoying

Maulkin · June 2014

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I've had this and there have been threads about it in the past.

I bugged it. But as yet 100% still doesn't mean 100% apparently.

It would be good to know what 100% means > 95% ? 90%?

It would also be good to have some green name clarification on this.

I reported it with /bug too. Did you get any response at all? Losing a staff you waited so long to get to a bug is extremely disappointing. Especially when you lost the gold mats with it.

semp3rfi wrote: »

I've had items fail on me while crafting with 100% chance. It's infuriating

I'm glad to know it's not just me. Thanks for the letting me know guys

dragnier · June 2014

It is NOT 5 gold to improve at 100% chance. It is 8 even with all points in a craft skill.

At 3/3 points in Resin Expertise (or the equivalent in the other crafts), Gold crafting boosters give you 12.5% chance to improve each. 100% divided by 12.5% = 8, not 5.

niocwy · June 2014

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌ or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ I think some clarification is required on this matter...

Maulkin · June 2014

dragnier wrote: »

It is NOT 5 gold to improve at 100% chance. It is 8 even with all points in a craft skill.

I'm not near my gaming PC at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it's 5. I don't get the option to put 8. The + button greys out and the chance says 100%.

I'll check again in the evening and report back.

If anyone is in the game at the moment could you please check?

Teargrants · June 2014

It's called ZeniMath.

Soloeus · June 2014

There have been many reported bugs with this before.

I think it is because when you use the Perks that increase your % or whatever, the game miscalculates something. It has happened to me too but on Purple.

It has NEVER happened without perks but it has happened with perks.

Edit: I wonder if the game knows you are using less than 20 gold and some rogue code misbehaves?

dragnier · June 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

dragnier wrote: »

It is NOT 5 gold to improve at 100% chance. It is 8 even with all points in a craft skill.

I'm not near my gaming PC at the moment, but I'm pretty sure it's 5. I don't get the option to put 8. The + button greys out and the chance says 100%.

I'll check again in the evening and report back.

If anyone is in the game at the moment could you please check?

I've done lots of upgrades, but double checked just to make sure. It is definitely 8 gold for 100%.

The system is counter intuitive because it goes 2 green, 3 blue, 4 purple, 8 gold.

Would make more sense if it were 5 gold with the current system or if it went 2 green, 4 blue, 6 purple, 8 gold.

niocwy · June 2014

Soloeus wrote: »

I think it is because when you use the Perks that increase your % or whatever, the game miscalculates something. It has happened to me too but on Purple.

I'm pretty sure it's something like that, but I'd really like to have an official answer about this.

kungmoo · June 2014

dragnier wrote: »

It is NOT 5 gold to improve at 100% chance. It is 8 even with all points in a craft skill.

At 3/3 points in Resin Expertise (or the equivalent in the other crafts), Gold crafting boosters give you 12.5% chance to improve each. 100% divided by 12.5% = 8, not 5.

just logged in my crafter toon and as he said, its 8 to upgrade to legendary... 5 gets you 62.5%

Pele · June 2014

It's 8 not 5 to upgrade to legendary. That may have been the reason you failed.

Maulkin · June 2014

Well if it's my stupidity at least it's easier to take

Devlinne · June 2014

Confirmed 8 needed.

Maulkin · June 2014

Seems like the error happened somewhere between the keyboard and the chair.

Thanks for getting back to me guys

Nidwin · June 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Seems like the error happened somewhere between the keyboard and the chair.

Thanks for getting back to me guys

May be or may be not as others have posted that it happened to others before.

1. Can you check if you did have 8 Golds at least. If you only had 5 it would probably grey out after 5 click to improve.

2. If you did have at least 8 available and you could only upgrade it to 5 this would mean that something was preventing you for upgrading more. Here I would suggest removing every piece of equipment till you can upgrade it again. It's possible that a trait or whatever is causing the miscalculation.

kungmoo · June 2014

its possible there could have been some kind of UI error anyway though, could have locked at 5 when you tried to craft.... will keep a close eye on upgrading just to be sure

Mordria · June 2014

If it's failing at a 100% success chance it is clearly broken. You should not fail with a 100% chance. You should write a bug report for that to be looked into.

Maulkin · June 2014

Nidwin wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Seems like the error happened somewhere between the keyboard and the chair.

Thanks for getting back to me guys

May be or may be not as others have posted that it happened to others before.

1. Can you check if you did have 8 Golds at least. If you only had 5 it would probably grey out after 5 click to improve.

2. If you did have at least 8 available and you could only upgrade it to 5 this would mean that something was preventing you for upgrading more. Here I would suggest removing every piece of equipment till you can upgrade it again. It's possible that a trait or whatever is causing the miscalculation.

I shall check this on the next opportunity

SilverWF · June 2014

dragnier wrote: »

It is NOT 5 gold to improve at 100% chance. It is 8 even with all points in a craft skill.

At 3/3 points in Resin Expertise (or the equivalent in the other crafts), Gold crafting boosters give you 12.5% chance to improve each. 100% divided by 12.5% = 8, not 5.

Agree
At least it needed 8 gold to make 100% in Clothing. I believe the same in Woodworking

JinShepard01 · June 2014

It is 8, thats is a fact, but if he says it gave him a 100% with 5, I tend to believe that too, because of the huge number of display errors this game has!

Merlin13KAGL · June 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Well if it's my stupidity at least it's easier to take

Mike , you're taking this well.

(But does it really suck 37.5% less?)

I realize the the percentage chance is listed there, but you would almost think they'd offer a pop-up for such situations, to give you that extra chance to save it.

In all seriousness, I'm sorry for your loss...

Maulkin · June 2014

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Well if it's my stupidity at least it's easier to take

Mike , you're taking this well.

(But does it really suck 37.5% less?)

I realize the the percentage chance is listed there, but you would almost think they'd offer a pop-up for such situations, to give you that extra chance to save it.

In all seriousness, I'm sorry for your loss...

He he, thanks for the sympathy!

To be honest, my approach has always been that this is a game and it's not worth getting angry about. I play to enjoy myself, not to have fits of rage. If I think there's a bug I'll report it and if it's my mistake I'll just laugh at my stupidity

I'll get that staff again, that's for sure. In the mean time, I will test this as much is I can and *if* there's a bug I'll find it. If there isn't, well then that's good news then surely!

nerevarine1138 · June 2014

JinShepard01 wrote: »

It is 8, thats is a fact, but if he says it gave him a 100% with 5, I tend to believe that too, because of the huge number of display errors this game has!

The "huge" number of display errors? I have yet to see this error in the game, and the only display errors I have seen have been related to passive traits or mundus stone bonuses.

What I find far more likely is that the buttons greyed out after the OP ran out of mats, as even he admits it was human error at this point.

Hilgara · June 2014

Happened to me twice in the same crafting session but this was a while ago. I thought they had fixed it since.

david271749 · June 2014

Crit miss