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A free respec is mandatory!

  • x2link777b14_ESO
    Actually, you CHOOSE to continue paying. You can stop at anytime. The devs need feedback. They don't need whiny posts like this. All it does is prove just how immature and entitled some MMO players are. The devs are human. You would never speak like this to them in real life, so why is it acceptable online? There are so many ways to convey this message that are constructive but polite. If this is how some of you act in real life, I'm sorry for you and the people who put up with you.

    On a positive note, it's been my experience that most games get better with time. When I'm not happy with a game, I take a break and maybe come back later.

    Your post is the one coming off as whiny, what with calling others "immature and entitled" like the latter word is some kind of insult. And yea, we can stop paying anytime we like. But you know what happens when enough of us do stop paying? The powers that be do not get enough money to keep the game going, and at best it closes, at worst it goes pay to win f2p.

    However, as long as we ARE paying, we most certainly are entitled. We should not have to both pay the games subscription cost AND waste our time farming up gold just to fix our specs when ZO goes and changes and or nerfs them. Especially not when it happens every so often.
  • vanillexhope
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    But you know what happens when enough of us do stop paying? The powers that be do not get enough money to keep the game going, and at best it closes, at worst it goes pay to win f2p.

    Why would someone leaving care if this game goes F2P?

    I'm not sure if you are understanding me. I think feedback is extremely important. That's why there is a /feedback function. Here's an example of the point I'm trying to make:

    1. "This game sucks. I demand a refund. You guys are incompetent" = bad
    2. "I have a few issues with the game that might even be game breaking for me. Here they are:<constructive fashion>" = good (hopefully they have used the /feedback function in game as well.


  • Riptide
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    I demand a triple venti non fat latte.

    Kiddin aside, I imagine most reasonable people figure we should get a free respec in these situations.

    I also imagine most reasonable people could see reducing the overall price, or respeccing individual skills and so on and so forth.

    Occam's razor - they don't have the ability to get either done, yet. In a world where I told everyone I know how rad ZOS is, they would have that ready to rock, an AH, and a whole laundry list of stuff.

    As it is, you just have to accept that they are good at some stuff. Lighting and so forth, and outside of bugs and stuff here and there, engine stuff in general. Solid.

    UI? DB stuff? Gotta figure thats not one of their strongest suits, and either be patient about it, relax a little, or if you go all gnashing of teeth play something else a while.
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  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Considering how they keep messing up with stuff , it would be expected.

    Or maybe this is their gold sink , they keep messing them up so we spend the money :P.
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  • Esha76
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    I have serious issue with how ZOS has done respecs in this game. So, for example, after this patch they changed the whole puncturing strikes thing and do not refund that skill point for an ability I morphed weeks ago.... Due to this change from this patch - that is the one and only ability I wish to change now in my entire build... yet I have to pay an entire full respec cost and nuke everything just to change this one, now "new", ability. Each day I become more and more convinced ZOS is run by chimps at typewriters.

    Not to mention the fact respeccing has been a concern for players since day one, and ZOS has yet to say one word on it. As usual, they do pick and choose which issues they will comment on, then still turn around and do whatever the hell they want anyway ignoring people's feedback.
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  • ozgod22_eso
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    Riptide wrote: »
    I demand a triple venti non fat latte.

    Kiddin aside, I imagine most reasonable people figure we should get a free respec in these situations.

    I also imagine most reasonable people could see reducing the overall price, or respeccing individual skills and so on and so forth.

    Occam's razor - they don't have the ability to get either done, yet. In a world where I told everyone I know how rad ZOS is, they would have that ready to rock, an AH, and a whole laundry list of stuff.

    As it is, you just have to accept that they are good at some stuff. Lighting and so forth, and outside of bugs and stuff here and there, engine stuff in general. Solid.

    UI? DB stuff? Gotta figure thats not one of their strongest suits, and either be patient about it, relax a little, or if you go all gnashing of teeth play something else a while.

    Agree. I'm guessing they can't do it. Yet. This is one of the most requested things on this forum. I'm guessing it's something to do with how it was coded. Looks like they didn't anticipate that people would want to change skills or morphs on an individual basis. Or that paying 12k - 20k to change a morph might be seen as unreasonable.
  • sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO
    I see no reasson why we do not have at least first respec for free.

    We have a lot of skill points true, but we for sure made some mistakes along the way. I am not saying that I should be able to respec how ever I wish, but at least make it like wow with free, low cost, and then it started to add up.

    I have like 10 points wasted in things I do not use at all. Yes I have a lot of skyshards left to collect (one whole alliance zones) but it is annoying not to have any free skills to level up destro staff(no I am not going to play this set up), I only want every weapon maxed. So far I have resto staff, sword and shield and bow at 48. I wanted to do two handed next, but I need to research training trait for it first. Training is also missing on my dual wield weapons. But all armors are maxed out already :-)
  • Divad Zarn
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    not free but it can be for lesser cost, for example 50 gold for skill, cuz 15k for spent is better then 30k at v12 to respec skills in way u want to play.
  • babylon
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    A free respec is not at all mandatory. It would be much appreciated, however.

    I think it's about time they gave all characters a free respec, with all the changes they made. Not going to stomp my feet over it, but being nice to the player base is always a good move.
  • hk11
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    I think every respec should be free.
  • Unknown_poster
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    The only reason to respec is to change a morph. You end up with more skill points than you'll need at this point. I have all my weapon skills, armor, misc guild stuff, and 4 crafting lines maxed out..and still have around 40 sp waiting. So if they can figure out a way without breaking everyone just refund the sp for the ability that was changed. But they probably can't. So I demand a cookie.
  • fromtesonlineb16_ESO
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    babylon wrote: »
    A free respec is not at all mandatory. It would be much appreciated, however.

    I think it's about time they gave all characters a free respec, with all the changes they made. Not going to stomp my feet over it, but being nice to the player base is always a good move.
    I agree, had all the changes they've made happened at once I think I would probably be in the "you must gives us a free respec" camp given the scale of the changes and the cost.
  • frwinters_ESO
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    Its not that mandatory. The only thing I want to see is a separate option just to reset your morphs so you don't have to respec your whole toon. I like to try different morphs out to see how they perform and hell some morphs are still really broken, like Dark Cloak and Shadowy disguise, that I may want to switch until there is a fix.

    Make it happen @ZOS
  • Islyn
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    Dear Zenimaxis,
    you changed a lot in the last weeks, somethings for the better, mostly the opposite, but aside from the quality of your work: There has to be a free respec, because of the lot of changes, there are quite a lot of abilities or passives players would not spend points on again and would like to have their points back.

    So I amdemanding kindly requesting that you give us a free respec.

    She didn't mean this last line; because demands are against TOS- She meant Kindly Request...
    Edited by Islyn on July 7, 2014 2:19PM
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  • Morticielle
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    Islyn wrote: »
    She didn't mean this last line; because demands are against TOS- She meant Kindly Request...
    No, actually I am demanding. And you better stop to falsify quotes.
    Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD

    Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:

    - Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
    - Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
    - Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
    - Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
    - Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
    - In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
    - Zenimax has no plan as to how balance population in Cyrodiil campaigns
    - Support is ineffective and does not even speak in a way one can linguistically understand

  • Lodestar
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    A free respec is not at all mandatory. It would be much appreciated, however.

    I think your spot on. I actually would say, it would be good sense, and annoying it has not been granted, for at least the abilities that have changed. Fair enough not a full respec.
  • jeradlub17_ESO
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    Dear Zenimaxis,
    you changed a lot in the last weeks, somethings for the better, mostly the opposite, but aside from the quality of your work: There has to be a free respec, because of the lot of changes, there are quite a lot of abilities or passives players would not spend points on again and would like to have their points back.

    So I am demanding that you give us a free respec.

    Anytime they change a skill line they should be giving the affected a free respec. That is just standard in mmos.

    More than that though I want to see single line respecs !!!!
    Why should I have to reset everything to reset one single skill? And you get charged everything instead of just the one you wanted and actually changed.
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  • SoulScream
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    A free respec would be a nice gift to the players willing to stay through the frustrating FPS bugs.
  • Mordria
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    Dear Zenimaxis,
    you changed a lot in the last weeks, somethings for the better, mostly the opposite, but aside from the quality of your work: There has to be a free respec, because of the lot of changes, there are quite a lot of abilities or passives players would not spend points on again and would like to have their points back.

    So I am demanding that you give us a free respec.

    Instead of just scrolling down and clicking "I agree" you should probably read the EULA one of these days.


    You could ask for one instead of demand one. Then, who knows, they may actually consider it.
    Edited by Mordria on July 7, 2014 6:40PM
  • simontheriault1b16_ESO
    Dear Zenimaxis,
    you changed a lot in the last weeks, somethings for the better, mostly the opposite, but aside from the quality of your work: There has to be a free respec, because of the lot of changes, there are quite a lot of abilities or passives players would not spend points on again and would like to have their points back.

    So I am demanding that you give us a free respec.

    Another tried and failing attempt to obtain something by demands.
    at least you didn't threatened to unsub.

    If it works, I'll be impressed.


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  • kitsinni
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    You already get a free respec .. as many as you want .. it just costs gold and your credit card won't be charged an extra dime.
  • reggielee
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    wouldnt hurt to have a free or reduced respec as a 'thank you for your patience' kind of thing. Alot of companies do that to increase customer loyalty. They have given added sub time in the past, wouldnt hurt to do that again in face of the fps problems.

    its been said before, lotr used to reset points when a big update came thru that rewrote skills and abilities. While it may be drastic (and annoying to those happy with their set) to reset all, it would be cool if they just reset the specific skills changed in updates. that way affected users could choose a new morph at hand
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  • Morticielle
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    Another tried and failing attempt to obtain something by demands.
    at least you didn't threatened to unsub.

    If it works, I'll be impressed.
    I gave a good reason, why a respec is mandatory. And I don't threaten to leave because I know that publishers and developers usually don't care, even if they are in big trouble because of decreasing subscription numbers.

    As a matter of fact I might unsub because of the continuing problems with fps drops in Cyrodiil. The PvP is the only thing keeping me in this game and if it is not playable due to low fps I have no reason to pay for an subscription of TESO anymore. I think one can understand this reasoning.
    Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD

    Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:

    - Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
    - Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
    - Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
    - Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
    - Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
    - In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
    - Zenimax has no plan as to how balance population in Cyrodiil campaigns
    - Support is ineffective and does not even speak in a way one can linguistically understand

  • DeLindsay
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    I'm all for getting a free respec now and again when there has been class or ability changes, but sorry OP, you cannot demand anything from ZoS, it's actually in their CoC as stated in another demanding thread.
  • Morticielle
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    I'm all for getting a free respec now and again when there has been class or ability changes, but sorry OP, you cannot demand anything from ZoS, it's actually in their CoC as stated in another demanding thread.
    You're wrong. I did demand. It might not be tolerated, it might not be allowed to post a demand, but I DID. So you cannot say, that I can't. Because I showed that I can. You may say that I'm not allowed. And I would answer that I don't give a skeevers behind.

    A question to you: Why do you even care, what I demand? If you think I'm wrong, then instead of criticising me and quoting the 724 holy commandments of the Holy Zenimax you could just smile and choose not to comment. I think that you are a fanboy who feels insulted if anyone does anything which makes TESO and the Holy Zenimax look bad.
    Edited by Morticielle on July 8, 2014 8:11AM
    Lady Morticielle d'Aragòn |VR12| Sorcerer | PvP Rank 21 (Major Grade I) | EU-Megaserver | AD

    Subscription cancelled due to the following facts:

    - Zenimax implements more bugs from patch to patch
    - Zenimax does not care about the increasing instability of the game. People have more and more crashes Fix of memory bug decreased number of crashes considerably
    - Zenimax has still not fully fixed the fps drops they (!) implemented with patch1.2.3
    - Zenimax does nothing to fix the massive ability lags in PvP
    - Zenimax gives more attention to unnecassary 'content' like dyes for armors than fixing issues
    - In patchnotes Zenimax lies about bugs allegedly fixed
    - Zenimax has no plan as to how balance population in Cyrodiil campaigns
    - Support is ineffective and does not even speak in a way one can linguistically understand

  • Hilgara
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    Way to go OP. If there was one sure fire way to ensure we don't get a respect, this was it
  • simontheriault1b16_ESO
    Another tried and failing attempt to obtain something by demands.
    at least you didn't threatened to unsub.

    If it works, I'll be impressed.
    I gave a good reason, why a respec is mandatory. And I don't threaten to leave because I know that publishers and developers usually don't care, even if they are in big trouble because of decreasing subscription numbers.

    As a matter of fact I might unsub because of the continuing problems with fps drops in Cyrodiil. The PvP is the only thing keeping me in this game and if it is not playable due to low fps I have no reason to pay for an subscription of TESO anymore. I think one can understand this reasoning.

    what a surprise, do you have any other way to enforce you demands? I don't think so. Usually before been taken seriously by demands, make sure you can enforce it. There is no real way in that forum to do that. How can they take you seriously. The unsub threat is so common they don't even consider it.

    Have fun
    I just love chaos!
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