Should vampires and werewolves be removed from the game?

Mescalamba · June 2014

psufan5 wrote: »

No

I would add that, but unfortunately it isnt possible to edit it (bug in forums, yupee).

Gedalya · June 2014

Not only should they not be removed; but we should see the opposite, with comparable additions. We also should see more class, and race options (Maormer are a great example). I would presonally love to see the Imperial Faction and Worm Cult as playable options; perhaps once you reach Veteran content? More nuance please!

Moxan · June 2014

Mescalamba wrote: »

Moxan wrote: »

Mescalamba wrote: »

Sure they are. I know that probably cause I have 6 characters from which 3 are vampires and 3 werewolves. I guess not everyone catched that, but there is a lot of irony/sarcasm in my post..

To me it sounds like you should delete those characters and just not play vamps and werewolves if you don't like them. Leave the others who do in peace.

Use brain please? Or you think I have them, cause I dont like them?

Ummm...yeah. That's what your whole post kinda sounds like.

Mescalamba · June 2014

Gedalya wrote: »

Not only should they not be removed; but we should see the opposite, with comparable additions. We also should see more class, and race options (Maormer are a great example). I would presonally love to see the Imperial Faction and Worm Cult as playable options; perhaps once you reach Veteran content? More nuance please!

I think that staying away from adding more skill lines is best choice at this moment. For now game needs quite a lot of tweaking to have at least basic classes in some balance (not mentioning werewolves and vampires, which need more like re-design than just balancing).

AlexDougherty · June 2014

Mescalamba wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

First off, not everybody hates them, some people love their Vampires and Werewolves.

Secondly, they are quite firmly imbedded in TES Lore, there is no reason to remove them, especially as the main villian is the creator of Vampires (Molag Bal btw).

He didnt create them directly.. it was pretty much accident.

@mescalamba

The first one was by accident, but after the Dawnguard DLC we know he periodically creates them deliberately

born2beagator · June 2014

Whats with the unnecessary shot at the game's player-base?

imo that should invalidate anything this guy says. Just a flamer

Leafmint · June 2014

Yes! One at a time in PVP

Aeratus · June 2014

No, but vamps/ww definitely definitely should not be overpowered, and should probably generally underpowered except in specific situations. We don't want to have vamp/ww as a general purpose buff.

Mescalamba · June 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

Whats with the unnecessary shot at the game's player-base?

imo that should invalidate anything this guy says. Just a flamer

Check that "Silver bolt" thread here. Come back and tell me how amazing is local community, will ya?

Im no more flamer then they are. Also I want to prove them wrong (hence this poll).

PBpsy · June 2014

Mescalamba wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Mescalamba wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

They should have never had any great advantages at all. It think they should be such that 9 in 10 players would chose to cure themselves. Vampires are still far from this state.

I like you "[snip] logic" guys. So you add in game skill line, which would be played at best with 1 from 10 people, cause disadvantages would be either too great, or advantages not worth it at all.

Have you ever used your brain to actually think "why would be that skill line in game at all then?".
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Yes. The skill line would be in game for diversity and RP value just like the racial bonuses.It should have more or less the same value as race. It would also make sense in terms of lore since in the Vamp population was never higher than 10% in Tamriel. I know you liked your OP toy but I think you had enough fun with it already.

Im glad you proven, that you have no idea about game design and about this game in particular at all. No further discussion with your person is needed.

Oh my. I am so impressed. Mr Game designer.

Mescalamba · June 2014

Aeratus wrote: »

No, but vamps/ww definitely definitely should not be overpowered, and should probably generally underpowered except in specific situations. We don't want to have vamp/ww as a general purpose buff.

Yea make them underpowered one trick pony which..

..nobody will play. You see why I made this poll? What you suggest is exactly as good as removing them.

Nukeyak · June 2014

Absolutely not!

I love these skill lines, I view them as a Defining Characteristic of the game. The issues are just balancing. I am a (proud) werewolf and will never be "cured". I take my poison resist necklace to AvA and Fungal Grotto.

That stated, I eagerly await a buff which can make WW feel more like a serious skill line rather than a (fun!) novelty.

AlexDougherty · June 2014

Mescalamba wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

No, but vamps/ww definitely definitely should not be overpowered, and should probably generally underpowered except in specific situations. We don't want to have vamp/ww as a general purpose buff.

Yea make them underpowered one trick pony which..

..nobody will play. You see why I made this poll? What you suggest is exactly as good as removing them.

There I agree, in general the bonuses and weaknesses should mean that Werewolves and Vampires are neither stronger or weaker overall than uninfected players.

They should have a few advantages which are countered by disadvantages.

metroda · June 2014

Mescalamba wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

Whats with the unnecessary shot at the game's player-base?

imo that should invalidate anything this guy says. Just a flamer

Check that "Silver bolt" thread here. Come back and tell me how amazing is local community, will ya?

Im no more flamer then they are. Also I want to prove them wrong (hence this poll).

This post is abrasive as ***, I see way more negativity on the forums than I do in the actual game. "I am no more flamer then they are" I can kill 5 people and say I am no more of a murderer than another person who has killed 5 people, that doesn't magically make me a good person who is acting correctly.

PBpsy · June 2014

Aeratus wrote: »

No, but vamps/ww definitely definitely should not be overpowered, and should probably generally underpowered except in specific situations. We don't want to have vamp/ww as a general purpose buff.

Exactly.

Every discussion about Nightblade ends up in someone showing a build with only one NB skill, two Vamp Skills and Bats and some other 2 random weapon skills. They than proceed to say how awesome the class is.

Mescalamba · June 2014

metroda wrote: »

Mescalamba wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

Whats with the unnecessary shot at the game's player-base?

imo that should invalidate anything this guy says. Just a flamer

Check that "Silver bolt" thread here. Come back and tell me how amazing is local community, will ya?

Im no more flamer then they are. Also I want to prove them wrong (hence this poll).

This post is abrasive as ***, I see way more negativity on the forums than I do in the actual game. "I am no more flamer then they are" I can kill 5 people and say I am no more of a murderer than another person who has killed 5 people, that doesn't magically make me a good person who is acting correctly.

Sure, cause forum game isnt real ESO. Issue is, devs tend to act based on reddit/forums and not actual game sometimes..

If you killed 5 people, I would be curious about "why". Not that you did it. We are defined not only by our actions, but also by our motives. Good things made with bad motives are about as good as bad things done with good motives.

DeLindsay · June 2014

Why is this even a question?

Mescalamba · June 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

Why is this even a question?

Forum demands that.

Kre · June 2014

Im not really seeing your point here, maybe its because I haven't PvP'd much yet, But logically thinking....isn't it a good thing that those two aspects of the game don't give you much of an advantage in PvP? Wouldn't that make it so those players who where capable of buying a bite, being sired or who went out of their way to get bitten on their own give a huge advantage to those who don't really care to be one or the other? Having an even playing ground in PvP is very important to players and giving vampires and werewolves extra advantages like that against players who could care less about adding that novelty to their character would be a huge upset. If from what I'm reading here about pvp its more of a preference than a need at the moment which is how it should be in a game. If they where given HUGE advantages in pvp then EVERYONE who pvp'd would have to be one or the other. As for the functionality, if it differs from pve then I cant say one way or the other, however my vamp skills work fine for me in pve....though my husband does seem to think werewolves are more novelty than useful and to that, I hope they fix.
P.S I happen to love the player base in this game, much more interesting people here than in other games. So quit trolling

DeLindsay · June 2014

Mescalamba wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Why is this even a question?

Forum demands that.

Forum demands what? What possible, valid reason is there to remove content from the game?

Drake81 · June 2014

There is a bug, known by zenimax, who can one shot vamps. But without that one, there is a good reason for vamps to run around on stage 4, you know?

Yeah, i give in, i enjoy the crying vamps getting killed all over the place. Thats not realy because i hate vamps, but because they have gotten so much more love then ww's.

But removing them? Its like id say remove my templar (who is ww ^^) because hes week (on every front -.-).

The_Sadist · June 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

Why is this even a question?

Have you seen half the threads out there? I'm honestly not even the slightest bit surprised.

I must be getting jaded.

Mescalamba · June 2014

Kre wrote: »

Im not really seeing your point here, maybe its because I haven't PvP'd much yet, But logically thinking....isn't it a good thing that those two aspects of the game don't give you much of an advantage in PvP? Wouldn't that make it so those players who where capable of buying a bite, being sired or who went out of their way to get bitten on their own give a huge advantage to those who don't really care to be one or the other? Having an even playing ground in PvP is very important to players and giving vampires and werewolves extra advantages like that against players who could care less about adding that novelty to their character would be a huge upset. If from what I'm reading here about pvp its more of a preference than a need at the moment which is how it should be in a game. If they where given HUGE advantages in pvp then EVERYONE who pvp'd would have to be one or the other. As for the functionality, if it differs from pve then I cant say one way or the other, however my vamp skills work fine for me in pve....though my husband does seem to think werewolves are more novelty than useful and to that, I hope they fix.
P.S I happen to love the player base in this game, much more interesting people here than in other games. So quit trolling

Player base in game is mostly fine. Forum "player base" isnt.

PvP right now is that you get one shotted with Silver Bolts if you are vamp or wolf. Even if it worked like it should, you wouldnt have chance, cause 5% chance to be insta-killed is too big no matter what number is there.

Your husband is right unfortunately.

You dont mind that you cant do damage with your primary vampire skill to bosses neither heal from them?

Loligo · June 2014

OP Translation "Being a WW or Vampire doesn't make me a game-breaking uber death machine, therefore, they suck and should be removed."

Kre · June 2014

Sure they are. I know that probably cause I have 6 characters from which 3 are vampires and 3 werewolves. I guess not everyone catched that, but there is a lot of irony/sarcasm in my post..
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Wow 3 of each eh? Yet...this poll.... I'm guessing you just wanted to argue with people and try to prove how skilled and knowledgeable you are on them....come on, tell the truth

you know you just wanted to troll

Csub · June 2014

Everybody? I think you mean you and certain other people, but "everybody" is not the correct word for it.

No, they shouldn`t be removed. It`s your own choice to become one. It is not a superpower, it is a disease with drawbacks.

I remember, shortly after release, when Vampires were much more OP, many of them said "well it`s your choice if you don`t want to be a vampire, you could become one as well if you wanted". Now, that they are nerfed, many of them quickly forgot about the option of curing themselves.

Yes, I was a vampire too, no, I didn`t PvP much. I am a healer, so I cured myself, didn`t want to get 1-hit in Dungeons more than needed. I do miss my ultimate and drain for questing ,but I can live without them.

mndfreeze · June 2014

I think OP made an invalid poll that doesnt take into account all of the people who want to vote "maybe" or "perhaps, but only on tuesdays" Or just an option that says "QQ"

Mescalamba · June 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

Mescalamba wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

Why is this even a question?

Forum demands that.

Forum demands what? What possible, valid reason is there to remove content from the game?

There isnt one. Obviously. I guess wanting people to acutally use their brains was bit too much.

Its reaction towards "some" which are now very happy that you can one-shot vamps/wolves in PvP. Which essentially kills PvP for both of these. Even tho its a "bug" (I hope it is), when fixed, there would be still 5% of being insta-killed in PvP. Anything that can insta-kill is simply wrong, no matter what chance is.

Also seems that some people hate vampires so much, that they want them so nerfed that they loose their reason to exist (right now, they pretty much did in PvP).

So, whats point of having something with which you literally cant do PvP and in PvE its not exactly miracle either (in case of werewolves its simply being useless).

Im just trying to make some of these think a bit, and maybe get some debate up. Cause really, if you cant use options in game, why have it then?

Allonan · June 2014

I hate it when people try and balance a game or aspect purely for PvP reasons. PvP is only a part of the game. ESO exists because of the lore and removing them would turn this into any other PvP only game in my opinion.

Zershar_Vemod · June 2014

Jamesd1350 wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls. If you do not like what the game has to offer, please take your subscription elsewhere. I hate when a game I thoroughly enjoy because it's made to follow the LORE and HISTORY of it's predecessors is cut dowm to utter crap cause people feel entitled to have it changed. I hate when people are like, "Oh this is broken in PVP, this isn't fair in PVP, blah blah blah" Stop taking it out on the PvE and FUN aspects of the game (what the game was designed around) to continue in your e-peen battles.