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<div class="QuoteText">if 20 spam it and its 5% thats a 100% hit <img src="/plugins/NBBC/design/smileys/smile.gif" width="" height="" alt=":)" title=":)" class="bbcode_smiley"><br>
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just get rid of your vampire</div>
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<p>Not sure if trolling... But anyway </p><p>20 people can hit a vampire 1000 times and still not get a proc. </p>

Zxaxz wrote: »

We have a PTS server to test, only PvE.

And not all PvE. You think the veteran mob changes would have gone live without a lot of screaming if folks were given a chance to test the change?

"WTF, Zeni, we -told- you the mobs were doing too much! Why did it go live?"

Hmmm, love to follow evolution on forums ...

April: Pfft be vampire, my silver bolts and fire damage are gonna woop yo vampire but.
May: Vampires are so cool, they uber yo, spam a skill and solo entire raids, and vampires go L2P !!! All is fine and dandy, bolts a joke and slap a fire res ring on is all you need to do.
June: Silver Bolts get a boost and watch them swarming vampires get shot to *** and OMGGGGGG!!!! LAME CRAP AGAIN WITH THIS STUPID GAME, every single thing i do that makes me a godmode gets nerfed !!! Stupid stupid stupid game is this ???

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<div class="QuoteText">It's just my opinion, so of course it's biased. I'm glad that vampires are finally getting a taste of the dirt after their ultimate days</div>
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For god's SAKE. You can't use HTML tags here. BBCode!</div>
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</p>I'm on my phone <br><p><br></p>

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<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1168453/Bhakura">Bhakura</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">Hmmm, love to follow evolution on forums ...<br>
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April: Pfft be vampire, my silver bolts and fire damage are gonna woop yo vampire but.<br>
May: Vampires are so cool, they uber yo, spam a skill and solo entire raids, and vampires go L2P !!! All is fine and dandy, bolts a joke and slap a fire res ring on is all you need to do.<br>
June: Silver Bolts get a boost and watch them swarming vampires get shot to *** and OMGGGGGG!!!! LAME CRAP AGAIN WITH THIS STUPID GAME</div>
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<p>So true </p>

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Werewolves have a much worse downside than Vampires with honestly no upside. Zero, Zip, Zilch none. Werewolf's only purpose in life is to SLIGHTLY increase your ultimate earnings rate, and that is hardly worth it in light of the Poison and Fighters Guild Weaknesses. It is highly buggy, and honestly terrible in pvp. I do not recommend it. For pve or achievements though, have at it. Its cool to make the transformation when it works, although the duration is fairly horrible.

That being said Vampire skill line gives some extremely powerful boosts. If it were not for something like the Fighters Guild to hit a vampire with a ten ton hammer I don't think anyone would play anything except a Vampire. Seriously, they need a weakness. Vampires magicka use is off the charts amazing, they stealth like nobody's business, have awesome crowd control, amazing mitigation. Don't cry in your pillow because Silver Bolts hurts. I say this as a character who plays 2 vampires as well. Its simple game balance. Take the pain, or don't play the Vampire, its that simple.

Additionally, this was not a NINJA patch. They did inform us of it, and they've been talking forever about how it has not been properly hitting Vampires. Now it does, to which I say wonderful. Again, I play 2 vampires so don't cry foul here.

Suuuure you do.

If you did you would know that vampires have an extreme weakness to fire (which is everywhere in this game).

They have a great stealth speed bonus (the stealth itself is no better or worse than anyone elses). That speed bonus is the biggest plus but comes at the cost of the fire hazard.

There are pluses for sure but that fire weakness is huge.

Regardless of all that.. you think that the cheap skill that oneshots a vamp, every time, is ok? You're really saying that a vamp should have zero chance in PvP and should be one-shot out of Cyrodiil?

I find sorcerers to be painful to fight and they're everywhere. Can we have a one-shot instacast to kill them too? And DKs. They're can be tough. Those pesky Templars can take ages to bring down while they heal. Oneshot please. NBs can be very dangerous from stealth. We need an instagib to counter their ambush tactics (make the skill see through their stealth as well please).

@ferzalrwb17_ESO‌

The game you just described is called "Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock"

Reference if you need it.

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

@ferzalrwb17_ESO‌

The game you just described is called "Rock-Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock"

Pretty much. 5 skills for 4 classes plus the additional vamp one-shot (even if it is redundant). Assuming you can't tell class or vamp-status then it's game-on.

Perhaps the Ultimate could be an AoE that oneshots any class of random type (determined by RNG at cast) within 100m.

Just nuke the place already sigh.
I hear you can get cheap ones in Russia.

Are people saying that silver shards has a 100% chance for a one-hit-kill on players?

Or are people complaining that silver shards has a 5% chance to kill undead (including players) in one hit? (As it was designed.)

Between all of the raging and arguing, I had a hard time picking out whether people were upset about a "nerf" (if you can call it that, now that players are affected by fighter's guild), or an actual bug. This sounds like a bug to me.

...You realize I'm not arguing with anyone, right? As long as the one-hit kill chance isn't removed and doesn't go below 5%, I'll be happy. Players should be affected by Fighter's Guild passives and abilities just like NPCs. But I don't think the 100% guaranteed one-hit kill is fair. Not everyone had silver shards on their bars so it wouldn't have been a big deal (still unfair), but... I bet they do now.

Full disclosure: tried both vampire and werewolf and felt "meh" about both. The only thing I miss was werewolf permanent superspeed, which was apparently a bug anyway.

Sturmwaffel wrote: »

My god. I just read this whole thread and it is mass stupidity at it's finest.

/radiovoice

In the left corner of the ring, we have two vampires and a werewolf. They think this bug is imbalanced! Why should there be a skill that 100% kills them every time?! They can't PVP any more!

In the right corner of the ring, we have 10 other people. They think vampires have been way too OP since the beginning and this is their chance for revenge! Who cares if it's a game breaking bug?! It gives them advantage!
(Also notice there is no contempt to werewolves because they've always sucked anyway. Come on, we all know. But hey, it's still an easy kill.)

Yeesh.

^This

You want your revenge, but how many vampires out there are from the bat swarming days? When was the last time you see someone use mist form to travel? How many people still use devouring swarm in PVP?

Post swarm nerf, abusers cured themselves.
Post mist form nerf, most people dropped it as there's not much perk.

The people who held on loved being a vamp, kept the regens and had to feed everyday cause they no longer use vamp skills.
The people who became a vamp realises that they have to have resistance rings, and could no longer equip other jewellery sets.
Fire is everywhere, the game turns into dodge fireball.
Forgot to feed? Hello the world's best health regen.

I personally do not feed, and I took up vamp right after swarm nerf. I enjoy the challenge of painful fire and less than half health regen. This, however, is plain BS. Even during the bat swarm days you could still take down a vamp using your brains, and now everyone will simply swap out RM or Caltrops for SS and it's their one and only stamina dumping skill.

Those who took advantage of it obviously got rid of it when it was nerf-ed. What you have now are usually new blood getting a bite for fun.

Obviously you don't mind chasing them away, since you don't care about the player base and want to play alone in your MMORPG.

I bet the people spamming and abusing that ability now are previous bat spammers. I seriously believe so. Once an exploiter, always an exploiter.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

there is no hope for this game lol

it took swtor 11 months before it went f2p, i wonder if eso will beat that record.

If they keep breaking more things than they fix every patch, yea ESO is gonna beat swtor.

Everyone is eventually gonna get tired of their incompetence. Definitely not worth $15 a month with the very poor job ZoS is doing.

ipong926 wrote: »

Vampire or werewolf gain buff, good for small size pvp
World pvp, many players use silver bolt, you will get hit much & you will get easily got owned with silver bolt 5% chance proc. It is so common.
I think the proc chance is fair for both side or else i do not want to see vampire & werewolf only in the world.
Who asking you to be vampire or werewolf... because you want to have supernatural power for soloing and without any side effect? no free lunch

Sir, you are talking about DKs, not Vampires and especially not Werewolves.

That being said, I think there should be a fighters guild passive that allows abilities to affect "dragon related things" like DKs. Oh, and stealth capable stuff like NBs. While we're at it, it should also effect things that use magic.