Please stop forcing us group for quests.

Artemiisia · June 2014

@Elirienne lets see a screenshot you having done all 3 factions completed, since you say there aint any solo content to vr12

Lord_Draevan · June 2014

I wouldn't mind Craglorn quests being group only if people wouldn't quit so easily. All it takes is one person rage-quitting during the a boss battle to screw everything up, odds are you have to restart the whole quest either because everyone else will quit or the replacement will want to do the whole thing to get the quest.

Or you spend hours and hours waiting for a group cause all people are doing is grinding or Trials. I STILL haven't finished Shattered and the Lost (on the final boss) or Warrior's Call despite trying every day for a group.

Soloeus · June 2014

Artemiisia wrote: »

its so easy

Cyrodil PVP map, if you dont like pvp dont go there
Craglorn GROUP map, if you dont like grouping dont go there

find other ways of leveling, but dont say they are forcing you, you can play how ever you want, there will be released that wont hit everybody's preferred playing style

remember you signed up for a rpgmmo game, not a single player game.

You can't be rewarded for playing how you want. Playing how you want means being allowed to advance your character without forced content types.

Also, in an MMO you have all different types. Not everyone is a socialite who wants every part of their game to be experienced with 100's of other people.

Artemiisia · June 2014

Soloeus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

its so easy

Cyrodil PVP map, if you dont like pvp dont go there
Craglorn GROUP map, if you dont like grouping dont go there

find other ways of leveling, but dont say they are forcing you, you can play how ever you want, there will be released that wont hit everybody's preferred playing style

remember you signed up for a rpgmmo game, not a single player game.

You can't be rewarded for playing how you want. Playing how you want means being allowed to advance your character without forced content types.

Also, in an MMO you have all different types. Not everyone is a socialite who wants every part of their game to be experienced with 100's of other people.

they release things, that wont fit everyone playing style, dont go there if you dont like it, thats your choice.

for me it seems more like envy that others get something and some gonna be left behind in every patch.

so next time it might be pve that gets a nice release, should pvpers then come here and complain about that?

AhPook_Is_Here · June 2014

I've got a buddy who plays a sorc, I have seen him solo Craglorn rifts without any effort.

I have seen videos of people soloing craglorn trials.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/nb-solos-craglorn/

Artemiisia · June 2014

brilliant that puts this thread at its knees, proof that it can be soloed if you good enough at your race

Clutch · June 2014

Soloeus wrote: »

I understand grouping but I don't understand why ZOS wants to force grouping for all aspects of the game.

Because people cried for more focused Endgame, not just 5 man Vet dungeons. This is just one of those cases where you reap what you sow. Crag was designed as group based, either people need to take another look at their build to make sure it's capable of soloing VR11-12 or probably wait until the next big content update that isn't group oriented.

One of the leading complaints in this game has been its lenience on solo. I feel this has spoiled people 1-50 that once they're thrown into an area at VR11, which is clearly described as a group area, it's like receiving a reality-check backhand.

ozgod22_eso · June 2014

My original post I wrote disappeared. Here it is quoted below:

Elirienne wrote: »

ozgod22_eso wrote: »

<p>It's an MMO. In an MMO end game content is usually done in groups. Most MMO endgame content can't even be entered unless you are in a group. Just because they made it an adventure zone doesn't mean it's designed to be played solo. </p><p>Personally the only vet content I feel can be comfortably soloed is Cadwells Silver. That's the bone they threw to solo players who want to participate in endgame content.</p><p>Craglorn was designed for groups. It's not a dailies hub. But in an attempt to please everyone Zeni has fallen between two stools with it.<br></p>

I am fine soloing everything (bar dungeons), apart from craglorn. The zone is not endgame contact, the dungeons and the trials are. The zone should be soloble, otherwise there is no solo path to 12.

Dont forget, 12 will not stay "end game" for long...

The zone is technically endgame content. The blurb on ESO's website makes this clear:

WELCOME TO CRAGLORN
More adventure is coming to The Elder Scrolls Online. Gather your allies to face the challenges of our first Adventure Zone. Designed for groups of veteran players, Craglorn brings new threats, a new storyline, and exceptional rewards to ESO:
Explore Craglorn and unravel the mystery of the missing constellations
Discover quests and delves made for groups of four
Take on 12-player Trials and get on the leaderboards
Obtain powerful weapons and armor

Where Zenimax fell between two stools is that they made it accessible to anyone. They tried to make Craglorn all things for all people. So people naturally saw it as the next zone after Coldharbour. And because it's tuned for groups of four, people trying to solo it find it next to impossible, and feel cheated because they can't do it on their own.

One way they could have done Craglorn is having mobs scale in health and difficulty depending on how many people tag them, just like the dailies hubs in WoW that can be completed solo or in groups.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO · June 2014

again: it´s an MMO NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME

Lord_Draevan · June 2014

Artemiisia wrote: »

brilliant that puts this thread at its knees, proof that it can be soloed if you good enough at your race

Well if there's a video that shows how a heavy armor/two-handed DK (Ardent Flame) can solo Craglorn I'd gladly watch it. But I'm not respeccing to light armor/destro staff to do it :P

Evergnar · June 2014

Artemiisia wrote: »

Soloeus wrote: »

Artemiisia wrote: »

its so easy

Cyrodil PVP map, if you dont like pvp dont go there
Craglorn GROUP map, if you dont like grouping dont go there

find other ways of leveling, but dont say they are forcing you, you can play how ever you want, there will be released that wont hit everybody's preferred playing style

remember you signed up for a rpgmmo game, not a single player game.

You can't be rewarded for playing how you want. Playing how you want means being allowed to advance your character without forced content types.

Also, in an MMO you have all different types. Not everyone is a socialite who wants every part of their game to be experienced with 100's of other people.

they release things, that wont fit everyone playing style, dont go there if you dont like it, thats your choice.

for me it seems more like envy that others get something and some gonna be left behind in every patch.

so next time it might be pve that gets a nice release, should pvpers then come here and complain about that?

Kinda agree people get envious and start to think the devs don't care about their play style. Part of the problem is stuff gets released rather slowly (right or wrong) for one specific type of play style at a time. It might go over better releasing a smaller amount of content but for each play style at the same time.

Even with existing content there are just not enough good options for the other play style, whatever it may be.

Hopefully Zos can figure this all out given time but unfortunately the clock is ticking.

Sakiri · June 2014

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<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/550108/Azzuria">Azzuria</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">Craglorn was specifically designed and promoted as group content. To complain about it is kinda silly. Now, should they add some solo-able content for the climb to VR12? Sure. But to whine that stuff they advertised is as advertised is rather foolish.</div>
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Best part: no one wants to even do the quests. Thats the best part.

ebondeath · June 2014

Apparently it's unreasonable now to want to be able to get to max level without being forced into group content? Jeez.

The occasional group quest in leveling zones is fine. Even Craglorn as a group zone is fine. But there should be a viable solo option to get to max level. Having group content vs pvp as your only options for achieving max level is silly.

And if you're going to use "it's an mmo" as an argument, then you might as well argue that everything should be group-required content.

Pele · June 2014

Was Craglorn not advertised from the beginning to be group-oriented?

SilverWF · June 2014

Elirienne wrote: »

But quests should always be soloable.

This

MongooseOne · June 2014

I haven't gotten to Craglorn yet but I was under the impression that it was ESO "raid" content. I have never in all my years of playing MMOs heard people complaining that they could not solo "raid" content quests..

Anilahation · June 2014

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<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/2692729/letohatcheeub17_ESO">letohatcheeub17_ESO</a> said:</div>
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<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/928865/andreas.rudroffb16_ESO">andreas.rudroffb16_ESO</a> wrote: <a href="/discussion/comment/1036845#Comment_1036845" class="QuoteLink"><span class="ArrowLink">»</span></a></div>
<div class="QuoteText">you understand that you play an MMO<br>
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... not a single player game ?</div>
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But not just any MMO <img src="/plugins/NBBC/design/smileys/irritated.gif" width="" height="" alt=":\" title=":\" class="bbcode_smiley"> , TESO. From the beginning we were told we could solo or group , it is up to us .. Well here's what they said ;<br>
'ESO brings the legendary experience of the award-winning RPG franchise online for the first time. Whether you play with your friends or adventure alone, the game’s combat system allows you to focus on action and tactics, not the UI. Use any weapon or armor at any time and customize your abilities to play the way you want as you uncover the mysteries of Tamriel and seek heroic quests on your own terms.'<br>
The OP has a point <img src="/plugins/NBBC/design/smileys/neutral.gif" width="" height="" alt=":|" title=":|" class="bbcode_smiley"> . </div>
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<p>With this logic Mario kart 8 should offer everything a Mario game delivers. </p><p><br></p><p>Like side scrolling platforming</p>

jambam817_ESO · June 2014

Stop playing MMOs if you want to play SPG... Wow, how hard is that? People are amazing on these boards.
If you play MMOs be prepared to be social and require other peoples assistance now and then, if not the majority of the time. 1-50 really spoiled people in this game. I think more forced group content would be a good thing

richiestyles · June 2014

In my opinion they should allow an option to make an NPC group with you according to lvl, not to strong, you will have to do most of the work but it would be possible to beat all dungeons.

I say if someone (like me) wants to pay $15/month to play solo let us, but let us play the whole game, cause after this I dont see them making an elderscrolls VI anytime soon which leaves us (solo players) screwed, and forced to pay for the games we love.

I went through the GTA 5 fiasco and it ruined the game for me, dont do the same to this one please.
Dont get me wrong I love this game, just dont have any friends to play with, and dont really plan on making any.

reggielee · June 2014

i agree with you but it is.. what it is. they are doing this in order to appeal to a certain niche of players. I'll just skip the aggravation and do other things in game and when those are done go play another game. If enough players show with their money that chosen content is not working for them, then the devs will go another direction.

Ojustaboo · June 2014

In my opinion you need separate things for groups and solo play.

I've seen it before in another mmo, some complain that certain quests need groups to complete, the devs give in and make it doable either solo or as a group, and it ruins the group experience.

For example, guildies usually help out other guild members if a group is needed to do a particular quest, but as soon as it's also solo able, that is no longer the case. Someone asks if people want to group up and help, and others usually willing to give their time if its needed for a guildie to progress, simply respond

"That quest is soloable now, you don't need a group"

End result the game becomes a lot less sociable.

Most of this game is soloable except for one dungeon in each area. Sure you might need help with the Dark Anchors, public dungeon bosses etc but you don't need to group, just need one or two other players to be there.

There is a problem with vet level content in my opinion, I got very frustrated doing AD at vet 1 to 3 before completely changing my spec, hence I'm now not playing the way I originally wanted, but that's a balancing issue not a group issue.

Craglorn is purely for groups, sure some specs might solo parts of it but that one area is dedigned purely for groups.

Please leave it that way. By all means put in a solo area too.

Pele · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Elirienne wrote: »

But quests should always be soloable.

This

Agree, but Craglorn was specifically designed for groups. This is like someone complaining they cannot solo group dungeons.

SilverWF · June 2014

Pele wrote: »

This is like someone complaining they cannot solo group dungeons.

I can

SilverWF · June 2014

richiestyles wrote: »

GTA 5 fiasco

Fiasco with GTA5? Are you sure you want say "fiasco" and not "fantastic success"?

richiestyles · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

richiestyles wrote: »

GTA 5 fiasco

Fiasco with GTA5? Are you sure you want say "fiasco" and not "fantastic success"?

Have you played GTA 5 on PS3. Maybe it was different for PC but wow there were issues. I havnt played for a while cause I got so frustrated and it got so repetitive.
If anything good has changed or its better on pc let me know.....

Jonplummer99b14_ESO · June 2014

Everyone has an opinion but to be fair, the game is highly soloable pre-expansion so it is a bit of a change to dynamics.

The other thing that never seems to come up with these posts is "Are you having fun?" I might for example post, "Hey you need to tune your content. It's too hard.." and I'll draw the "Noob learn how to play your class comment..I soloed ___ on one leg blah blah blah" Hmm I didn't say I can't complete the content. Npbpdy cares if you soloed it.. Was it fun? Great if it was...If it just isn't all that much fun then maybe provide some feedback. My take on VR content by the way.. I can get through it on my Sorc but it feels like a grind and is pretty repetitive. I'm quickly bored with it.

The question isn't "CAN" you complete this aspect of a game or another? The question is "Are you having fun doing it?" That's the point of games. They aren't second careers for all of us. They are supposed to be fun.

Someone taking the time to provide feedback is giving a gift. I think the poster makes a good point. ESO launches an expansion purely geared toward group content and sure they were clear that was the case. Clearly, that didn't get it done for everyone and people with vote with their subscriptions.

richiestyles · June 2014

Oh and by the way these are all just dreams.. It is an MMO and I know that, if people didnt know that than thats crappy cause it wasnt a cheap game.

The funny thing was when i bought the game the clerk (at a major game electronic retailer) told me that I didnt have to play online and that I could play solo and redeem my code later when I want to go online. Well silly me I believed him and bought the game, when I found out this wasnt the case I couldnt take it back cause it had been opened.

There is the option that if you are a solo player and NOT AN A-HOLE we(solo) players could call on each other for help every once in a while. Im new to MMO so how I dont know.

NetViperX · June 2014

I think every last inch of the game should be available as group or solo content depending on player choice, and the difficulty of the content should scale to the group size or lack of group.

Rewards should stay the same regardless, so you aren't forced to group to get the good loot. That way people that enjoy grouping can do so, and people who enjoy solo can also do so, and neither feels shafted by the rewards they get.

In short, grouping should be something players do because they enjoy it, not because it gives a better reward than solo content. Otherwise we will end up with a minority of elitist punks that dominate the game with their awesome group only epic equipment like they do in WoW, and solo players are left with the short end of the stick.

SFBryan18 · June 2014

They have a pretty good search feature for finding randoms to play with. Use it for group content or to play some other stuff. No one is forcing you to do the group content.

richiestyles · June 2014

Sorry Im just a stickler with games I like to comlete everything.

Oh and im having a great time with this game I will play it over and over with new combinations even if I can only get to level 50.. :-)