Eh, the biggest complaint I have about the breaking of mods, is that I can't find my way around without a minimap. I've poured enough hundreds of thousands of gold into inventory space that I can manage things fairly quickly, but the lack of a basic, integrated minimap ... For me, that's a deal breaker.

Typically, i'm an advocate of minimalist UI's. I was able to get by without mods just fine in WoW, despite all the raid-guild requirements, I just put together a spoof mod to fool raid assist mods.


ESO lacks
Minimap
Guild store searching (even the tools they have are buggy and unreliable)
Buff bars
Damage / healing numbers
Guild chat name features (Seeing what character someone is on, until this patch at least)
Trade chat
Inventory display / sorting options
...The list goes on

Game updates WILL break mods. As a software developer myself, I completely understand why - supporting player-built mods is a headache, and managing API options can be irritating.

That said, if ESO provided even the most basic of minimaps, damage output windows, guild store search options, etc... I would be perfectly fine with how things are. The only problem is that ESO relies on mod authors to provide these basic features.

Without them, there just isn't enough information available for what I believe to be the majority of MMO gamers to actually enjoy playing for any real period of time.

Without addons, ESO is Helen Keller mode.

danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Without addons, ESO is Helen Keller mode.

Find most of it refreshing. Like actually playing a NEW game as opposed to a clone.

Still needs a few more things that only add-ons can supply though...

SilverWF wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Seriously, I didn't know there were 54 things you could even use an add-on for.

Maybe later I'll give you a list and short description, not now.
But I feel this number is not enough to make this game better

So I can't help but ask, since this thread has been above entertaining on this slow day at work. If it takes more than 54 (or whatever) addons to even make this game better and the amount of complaining.... why even play? I'm sure there are other games out there you enjoy. If I wanted a corvette I wouldn't upgrade a toyota to make myself think it was a corvette.... I would just buy a corvette.

SilverWF wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

As an ex-developer for Warhammer addons I know what I'm talking about.

Obvious lie is obvious. Anyone who was once an addon developer would never say half the things you've said in your tantrums.

For example? Or you didn't have anything worth to say again and trying to insult me again?

Here you go:

SilverWF wrote: »

If you are afraid of "leaks" or want more RP - do not install addons! It's simple.
I do not afraid of leaks and I want more information!

Anyone who knows anything about how addons and API work wouldn't have said something as stupid as that. If the API exposes account names (note: I don't know enough about ESO's API to know whether it did or still does expose account names, but that's what was being discussed) then whether you have an addon makes no difference - your account name is exposed to anyone who has an addon to look for them.

jonpaul wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

Seriously, I didn't know there were 54 things you could even use an add-on for.

Maybe later I'll give you a list and short description, not now.
But I feel this number is not enough to make this game better

So I can't help but ask, since this thread has been above entertaining on this slow day at work. If it takes more than 54 (or whatever) addons to even make this game better and the amount of complaining.... why even play? I'm sure there are other games out there you enjoy. If I wanted a corvette I wouldn't upgrade a toyota to make myself think it was a corvette.... I would just buy a corvette.

Yes, slow day… lol

I think OP is just messing with us now. 54 isn't enough?

I still only use 1 and having a blast.

Yeah, I use about 6 and don't even really need that many addons to have fun

SilverWF wrote: »

Yes, but! API - the part of their product too and they must keep it up. Isnt it?

The API is the Application Programming Interface.

The key word here is interface, it's how the MOD is interacting with ESO. If something is changed for security, or if they are adding / changing a feature, the addon will no longer interact with the game in the same way, thus, it breaks.

The only way to NOT break mods with game updates, is to simply not update it, add / change features, etc. Frequent changes are irritating for developers, due to requiring new versions of mods - It is, however, the MOD developer's responsibility to update it... or not.

Lol,hahaha, this forum it s just full of whiners for every stupid thing.

OK, my addons list

AchievementTracker - veryy good if you focused on get some achievment
AdvancedAutoLoot - mostly used for mailing to my friend (he need to press Return )
AdvancedFilters - very helpful in bag and banks, wondering why it's not exist in the default UI
AIResearchGrid - helpful to remeber what traits my crafter-alt know
BankManager - very helpful to auto put or take items from bank
BatmanStoreFilter - filters in Materials tab of Store. This patch brings it to default UI (after 4 month!!!!!), but this addon makes it better anyway
Codex - PVP statistics
CombatCloud - floating numbers.
CombatLogStatistics - kinda Combat chat. This must be in the default UI
CraftingMaterialLevelDisplay - something what they made in this patch too (after 4 months!!!!), but this addon is still better
ggFrames - best unitframes ever
ggReticleDistance - shows distance to target.
GreymindQuickSlotBar - much better than default quickslots
GuildOrFriend - shows guidmate or friend. This must be in the default UI
GuildRosterHideOffline - "Hide offline" in roster. This must be in the default UI
HarvensCustomMapPins - Just to remember some intersting places in the World
HarvensTraitAndStyle - I'm using for styles mostly. Did you know there is at least 2 styles in game, what not allowed for craft, only drop?
HarvensXPNotify - very handful to know how many EXP goes to some skills or skill-lines
HoW_QuestJournal - was used before they lowered number of quests for achievments. Or it was pain in the arse - figure what quest you are missing
InventoryItemBorders - This must be in the default UI
jovAST - transfer addon settings between alts
KhrillHelmControl - some fun addon, it shows helmet in the battle and hide it when out of combat
LootDrop - GW2-style drop indicator. Yes, I love it and GW2 have it in the default UI!
lootfilter - mostly for sorting trash
LoreBooks - to more easy find unknown Lorebooks
LostTreasure - more easy to find treasures
mhFramework - really cool info-panel
mhOutfitter - fast change skills and gear
MultiCraft - allows to create several items. This must be in the default UI
Ni-InvMonitor - nearly the same as lootfilter, but with some extra-options
OmniStats - cool and useful info-panel
PL_CombatIndicator - This must be in the default UI
PotionMaker - handful for Alchemists
PriceTracker - to know how many something costs in the Stores
ResearchAssistant - helpful for crafters
RvRTools - some handy Cyrodiil tools
SimpleCombatAlerts - good replacement for default "combat tips"
SkyShards - the same as Lorebooks
SoftcapInfo - This must be in the default UI
SorcererHelper - for my Sorc
SousChef - for my Provisioner, very helpful!
SpentSkillPoints - This must be in the default UI
Srendarr - buff/debuff info
SSB - fast skills swap
Toolbox - hidden game settings
TsChatColorizer - color messaging
UltimatePowerDisplay - This must be in the default UI
Undiscovered - helpful for completing zones
VeteranBosses - Show and share bosses strategy for dungeons
wykkydsMailBox - autoreturn mails
wykkydsQuestTracker - very cool quest tracker. This must be in the default UI
XTimestamp - adds time stamp to chat. This must be in the default UI
Zolan_AnchorsAway - removes annoying "too many anchors" error
ZrMM - minimap. This must be in the default UI

SilverWF wrote: »

Just can't say more, only damn "thanks"!

Didn't even try to advice me to enable outdated addons - I've enabled this!

Ya, Thanks a lot Obama.

Ur-Quan wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

your account name is exposed to anyone who has an addon to look for them.

Your account name already exposed to anyone in your trade guilds! Damn...

So then how are you going to stop people from getting that info by just not installing addons? Oh, I see, you're admitting that it was a dumb thing for you to say. When you say "Damn..." what you're really saying is "Damn... I shouldn't have told that guy that if he's worried about people being able to get his account name then the solution is to simply not use any addons."

Did you read previous post? Man afraid what some addons will steal his account name from settings.
Learn to read, but now - you are ashamed yourself.

SilverWF wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

your account name is exposed to anyone who has an addon to look for them.

Your account name already exposed to anyone in your trade guilds! Damn...

So then how are you going to stop people from getting that info by just not installing addons? Oh, I see, you're admitting that it was a dumb thing for you to say. When you say "Damn..." what you're really saying is "Damn... I shouldn't have told that guy that if he's worried about people being able to get his account name then the solution is to simply not use any addons."

Did you read previous post? Man afraid what some addons will steal his account name from settings.
Learn to read, but now - you are ashamed yourself.

Security holes like the above can also reveal passwords, credit card numbers, any information whatsoever (That you enter, at least) can be potentially revealed by a badly secured API. (It supposedly didn't, but that type of leak is possible)

Granted, this is a worst case type of scenario, but such things can, and have happened in the past.

Vendersleigh wrote: »

I have never played a TES game before but enjoy ESO with no addons.

SilverWF wrote: »

So be happy with it and didn't teach anothers how they need to play.

Vendersleigh wrote: »

My point is that it is not something you need but something you want.
Everyone knows that add-ons are not ZOS' responsibility so addressing your complaint to the makers of the add-ons would be more reasonable.

Something I 'need' is a reason to spend $15/month subbing to a game that is annoying to play without some of the addons.

Something I 'want' is fewer other players who accept less, telling me to just suck it up because they can play the game the way they want to, but I can't.

Some people stick around just because some of the addons make the game just playable and fun enough to bother, and will unsub when they game goes back to just being mundane and annoying because of all the missing combat info and loot info, etc.

You don't want/need that stuff? Fine.
I find the game 'OK' with addons.

Make my time in game less enjoyable, and tell me I need to learn to play your way? You can carry one more sub fee without my help. I don't need the abuse that I get from the elitist players telling me I need to LTP, either.

This is my first MMO, there are many more ppl like me here.
Some of the people in threads like this act as if they're trying to make sure fewer newbs stick around so they can enjoy the rarefied air of their lofty perches better.

I'd think more people carrying the subscriber weight every month would be better.
Some people act as if they prefer to carry it alone.

No problem, 'Soon'.

This is how I feel at this point:

danreckerpreub18_ESO wrote: »

Eh, the biggest complaint I have about the breaking of mods, is that I can't find my way around without a minimap. I've poured enough hundreds of thousands of gold into inventory space that I can manage things fairly quickly, but the lack of a basic, integrated minimap ... For me, that's a deal breaker.

Typically, i'm an advocate of minimalist UI's. I was able to get by without mods just fine in WoW, despite all the raid-guild requirements, I just put together a spoof mod to fool raid assist mods.


ESO lacks
Minimap
Guild store searching (even the tools they have are buggy and unreliable)
Buff bars
Damage / healing numbers
Guild chat name features (Seeing what character someone is on, until this patch at least)
Trade chat
Inventory display / sorting options
...The list goes on

Game updates WILL break mods. As a software developer myself, I completely understand why - supporting player-built mods is a headache, and managing API options can be irritating.

That said, if ESO provided even the most basic of minimaps, damage output windows, guild store search options, etc... I would be perfectly fine with how things are. The only problem is that ESO relies on mod authors to provide these basic features.

Without them, there just isn't enough information available for what I believe to be the majority of MMO gamers to actually enjoy playing for any real period of time.

Without addons, ESO is Helen Keller mode.