Thanks for ruins all addons!

SilverWF · June 2014

Helpful replies? am I asking for help how to fix addons? I know how to do that without your "help"!

AlexDougherty · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Helpful replies? am I asking for help how to fix addons? I know how to do that without your "help"!

Try waiting, either the developers of those addons will update them so they can work with the game, or they won't and you'll need to remove them and find new ones.

Either way all anyone can tell you is wait.

reggielee · June 2014

remain calm, it will get sorted out. it may take some time.

but just reinforces the risk of becoming reliant on addons to play the game and not learning to work with the UI as given. and yes, I use 4 addons... or did

SilverWF · June 2014

I'm not asking for "anyone".
I'm just interesting, for how long Zenimax will made hidden API changes

ArRashid · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

ArRashid wrote: »

I'm sure those people will fix their addons as soon as they are able.

I'm using more than 30 addons, I just don't want to check every of them! ><
Especially, if there was no reasons to change API so hardly again.

Most of addon authors unsubbed far ago, they will not update it - nobody will buy 1 month just for addon update.
If game have low number of addon authors - the game will die soon. This is obviously.

As for me: I'll better unsub than play at default UI.

Go ahead and take your toxic attitude with you. Noone needs people like you, always threatening to unsub, but always sticking around to post more hate.

Also, 30 addons are hardly needed.

SilverWF · June 2014

ArRashid wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

ArRashid wrote: »

I'm sure those people will fix their addons as soon as they are able.

I'm using more than 30 addons, I just don't want to check every of them! ><
Especially, if there was no reasons to change API so hardly again.

Most of addon authors unsubbed far ago, they will not update it - nobody will buy 1 month just for addon update.
If game have low number of addon authors - the game will die soon. This is obviously.

As for me: I'll better unsub than play at default UI.

Go ahead and take your toxic attitude with you. Noone needs people like you, always threatening to unsub, but always sticking around to post more hate.

Also, 30 addons are hardly needed.

You are not relevant to speak from everyone. Deal with it.

kewl · June 2014

This thread has a solution.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/113716/how-to-keep-your-add-on-settings-in-v1-2

AreoHotah · June 2014

No, thank you for making me laugh...

Sanibel · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Helpful replies? am I asking for help how to fix addons? I know how to do that without your "help"!

Yes, you've asked how to fix them, the answer is "WAIT" and will remain "WAIT" until you wait for the mod authors to correct the issues. Then you claim all the addon developers have all unsubbed... which is far from true. That is toxic - therefore you are toxic. If you don't see a big problem with that, you really don't need to be on these forums.

SilverWF · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

I'm just interesting, for how long Zenimax will made hidden API changes

Read this again. Than again, And again.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · June 2014

SilverWF, sorry for misunderstanding before. Add-on developers. Of course.

However, given the apparent sad state of the code for this game, I am not surprised they make random undocumented changes to the API. They seem to make random undocumented changes to every other aspect of the game, so why leave the API alone? I can only say: get used to it. This is how they work, apparently.

If your gaming experience is totally dependent on a truckload of add-ons, well, then you really need to be prepared to be screwed over with every major patch.

And if you have become addicted to add-ons written by people who no longer update them, well, they weren't going to keep working forever anyway without maintenance. You just need to move on.

stabbykitteh · June 2014

Vuron wrote: »

Even ZOS knows that the UI is severely lacking and only works for the strictly TES players.

I am one and play with several others and it doesn't really work for us either :P

Add-on usage is entirely on the player. You need to be willing to keep up with changes (ie check all of your addons) and put up with inconveniences (patches). ZOS is not in any way responsible for how we choose to potentially break our games.

Crumpy · June 2014

I'm no ZOS fan but you really can't pin that one on 'em!

RubyTigress · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

luisenglb16_ESO wrote: »

30 addons.. so many damage WoW did...
I only have the minimap addon and I'm happy. Seriously!

I did most of the content and still I don't see the need to install more addons.

Why you posted this here?

Oh, so this was supposed to be a private snitfit?

You posted a discussion thread. You're getting discussion.

Addons are not the game. Updates for mmos will sometimes make changes that need to be accomodated.

As a sophopisticated user of more addons than I even knew existed for this game, you should know that. Which makes this thread smell a little... trolly.

mutharex · June 2014

Why you keep feeding the flame? It ain't the Olympic one, you know

UrQuan · June 2014

This thread is hilarious. It's like the angry tantrum of a 10 year old who doesn't understand anything about what he's throwing a tantrum over.

Protip: any time you use addons or mods in any game, you have to expect that any new major patch will break at least some of them. You know why? Because you're using unapproved 3rd party code that the game developers don't support. They have no idea what addons and mods people use so they don't test their patches against them. Even if they did know, they still wouldn't test against them because it's not their responsibility and it would take way too long, thus preventing them from testing actual fixes and development of their own code.

SilverWF wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

They are hided account name from API again!
WTF Zenimax? Does it national security or what? Make API more informative, what is wrong in this?

I find it hard to decipher what you're saying, but if it's that the API no longer leaks my account name then it's a good change from where I sit.

If you are afraid of "leaks" or want more RP - do not install addons! It's simple.
I do not afraid of leaks and I want more information!

Account name was used to store addon settings, now it is not!

Yeah, because if the API leaks account names, then the only thing that you need to do to prevent spammers from getting your account name is to not install addons. Because it's not like an API that leaks account names enables spammers to use their own addons to get a ton of account names from people who don't even use addons or anything. Oh wait, it's exactly like that. Well, there goes your solution, and your assertion that there was no possible reason for changing the API.

SilverWF wrote: »

I'm using more than 30 addons, I just don't want to check every of them! ><

So you're too lazy to even check if the people who made your addons are updating them. And you expect that ZOS would have somehow magically checked every addon out there to make sure that they would all work when this patch came out. The term "sense of entitlement" gets used a lot, but oh boy is it ever appropriate here.

SilverWF wrote: »

I have 54 addons, but this is my own business only. You may have more or less - I don't care.

This thread about unnecessary and not documented API changes!

No, this thread is about you throwing a temper tantrum.

SilverWF wrote: »

Helpful replies? am I asking for help how to fix addons? I know how to do that without your "help"!

OK, so that's even worse. You know how to fix your addons, but you're too lazy to do so and you expect ZOS to do it for you. OK then.

Vizier · June 2014

Welcome to the world of Add-0ns and Mods. That's the way it is. The add-ons will get updated. Patience Grasshoppa.

Exarch · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

I'm just interesting, for how long Zenimax will made hidden API changes

For as long as it's their game, and not yours, I should think.

SilverWF · June 2014

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

I am not surprised they make random undocumented changes to the API.

Yes, and this is most worst thing.
As an ex-developer for Warhammer addons I know what I'm talking about. But WAR was dead, when I started to learn it's API, and this was pain in arse.
This game is still alive (still, you know) and all addon-developers will be appreciated if they will keep API documentation up-to-date.

Ur-Quan wrote: »

This thread is hilarious. It's like the angry tantrum of a 10 year old who doesn't understand anything about what he's throwing a tantrum over.

all you have is insults, OK.
Cos another part of your post is clearly showing what you are didn't know anything about TESO API and addons at all.

Bromburak · June 2014

Thanks for this thread Silver, its entertaining.

UrQuan · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

As an ex-developer for Warhammer addons I know what I'm talking about.

Obvious lie is obvious. Anyone who was once an addon developer would never say half the things you've said in your tantrums. Anyone who was once an addon developer would understand the basics of addons and patches.

Blackwidow · June 2014

I love addons.

ZOS making us use addons for everything under the sun, sucks.

ZOS needs to start putting stuff into the game that most of us use as addons.

Lunshea · June 2014

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

On the good side only 4 out of the 25 or so i use are broken.

Go into the game, and turn on the addons 1 or 2 at a time until you determine which ones are actually broken.

So far my list is
Banker
LootDrop
Souschef
And 1 other i cant recall the name of.

There is a new beta of LootDrop out now which works for me - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info35-LootdropContinuedAllinOne.html#other

In WoW I use a lot of addons...for all kinds of stuff. In ESO, I've finally found a game where the UI is minimalistic and immersion is much more important for me here - so I try to keep the addons to a minimum

andre.roques.3b14_ESO · June 2014

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Protip: any time you use addons or mods in any game, you have to expect that any new major patch will break at least some of them. You know why? Because you're using unapproved 3rd party code that the game developers don't support. They have no idea what addons and mods people use so they don't test their patches against them. Even if they did know, they still wouldn't test against them because it's not their responsibility and it would take way too long, thus preventing them from testing actual fixes and development of their own code.

Simply not genuine. The reason the addon(s) break is because of an API change. The 3rd party source addon works with the API one day and not the next...that is a big No-No for API development/management. The concern is valid, maybe not voiced well; but undocumented API changes should never be considered wholly acceptable. Ideally, API changes on the PTS (if they are not already) should be made available for developers. ZOS ideally should encourage addon developers by arming them with tools to readily update for API changes so that updated addons can be deployed in tandem with game releases. This is far from an unreasonable request. It would be unreasonable to require/assume an addon would, even under ideal conditions, be up to date the moment a new build is released.

Stonesthrow · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

I have 54 addons, but this is my own business only. You may have more or less - I don't care.

Seriously, I didn't know there were 54 things you could even use an add-on for.

UrQuan · June 2014

andre.roques.3b14_ESO wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Protip: any time you use addons or mods in any game, you have to expect that any new major patch will break at least some of them. You know why? Because you're using unapproved 3rd party code that the game developers don't support. They have no idea what addons and mods people use so they don't test their patches against them. Even if they did know, they still wouldn't test against them because it's not their responsibility and it would take way too long, thus preventing them from testing actual fixes and development of their own code.

Simply not genuine. The reason the addon(s) break is because of an API change.

Well obviously it's because of an API change, but any time there's a big update you have to expect that there may be API changes. Especially during the first few months after a game comes out. The fact that it's caused by an API change has exactly zero relevance to anything that I said.

Bromburak · June 2014

Stonesthrow wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

I have 54 addons, but this is my own business only. You may have more or less - I don't care.

Seriously, I didn't know there were 54 things you could even use an add-on for.

He is trying to make a wild star clone out of TESO.

(Now he is disappointed because graphics still look awesome)

Soloeus · June 2014

mutharex wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

As for me: I'll better unsub than play at default UI.

That's your problem.

The game is perfectly fine with the default UI. You don't need addons to play, and you certainly don't need 30 of them. More importantly, ZO is not responsible for your addons. They can change their game however they like. It is the responsibility of addon creators to change their addons when needed.

C'mon, you and I both know that there is a very large percentage of the playerbase that would completely disagree that "the game is perfectly fine with the default UI".

Even ZOS knows that the UI is severely lacking and only works for the strictly TES players.

The game can do with a few addons for quality of life issues but it's hardly lacking. And 30 addons? Cmon...

I have 31.

mutharex · June 2014

Bromburak wrote: »

Stonesthrow wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

I have 54 addons, but this is my own business only. You may have more or less - I don't care.

Seriously, I didn't know there were 54 things you could even use an add-on for.

He is trying to make a wild star clone out of TESO.
(Now he is disappointed because graphics still look awesome)

Wait, what? There is an addon for clunky fake action combat??

Mortosk · June 2014

Tabbycat wrote: »

Every major patch messes up your addons. This is true of every MMO I've played with addons. Modders will update the ones that need to be updated. The ones that don't need to be updated, you should be able to load as outdated.

If they still play the game. Noticed a lot of addons haven't been updated since mid/late May.