Just a heads up to everyone, not too sure if this was already posted.

You can upgrade the looted 0g gear and once upgraded the item will have value. Just tried this on a vet1 orc breeches. The number difference is not much, looted at white, armor value to be: 99 while crafted orc breeches are 104 at same level.

i believe there has to be a slight buff to the dropped items, even if it's just higher gold value when it is upgraded. this can at least be equal to "Ornate" items which will just help with the economy. the cost opportunity will def be better since you have to use your tannins and whatnots to upgrade this gear.

Fleymark wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

This isn't a change - it's a new feature for this patch. There were previously no armor or weapons that you could find inside interactable objects or laying around. Remember, you don't have to pick these up.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Explain, please, how it is a "feature" for people playing already geared toons to find useless and worthless junk armor and weapons inside interactable objects. All this does is turn the joke that inventory management was already into a total freakshow. On top of everything else.

You should remember, we don't have to subscribe to your game.

It's one thing to release an incomplete, unbalanced, and buggy game. It's one thing to be completely inept at fixing and balancing the game, documenting what has changed in patches with accurate patch notes, and introducing a host of new problems with every patch. But it's completely another to make a point of annoying your players on a moment by moment basis in-game with something like this and then call it a "feature."

My billing is up in the next few days....Which I know because I checked a few days ago since I was already annoyed with the state of the game before the patch....This may very well be the last straw.

I thought it was just those laying around, then it would be great for immersion and emergency. But they placed it in the god damned loot table.

Not only does the king places garlic and lock picks in his nightstand, which is great cause I love how he hates vampires and loves sneaking around at times. But you now have a 2H mace in that nightstand as well.

So I paid about 50k in-game gold for more bag space to carry worthless crap around in. Seems realistic... I'm really feeling the immersion right about now.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

That sounds like it might be a bug related to a mechanic that was added. The patch notes said that the armor and weapons that you see lying around in the world could now be picked up, but they would be worthless (monetarily) but could be used as gear in a pinch. It said nothing about adding these items to the loot tables, though, as far as being in boxes and bags. I'd report that. That seems off.

You're correct in that assumption, @Bookwyrm. Just posted a clarification in the patch notes, but the zero value for armor and weapons that you find also apply to anything you find in an interactable object, such as drawers or cabinets.

Okay I am going to try my best to be civil with this but I am in a stinking mood over this change for the following reason.

The original patch notes, and all of the patch notes for PTS said NOTHING about these being stored in containers where rare and wanted items come from. Had this been clearly communicated at at point I am sure there would have been a much larger input of feedback about how people wouldn't be happy with it.

It seems almost like the development team knew this was going to be a bad idea and create large amounts of hate from the playerbase so avoided telling anyone as long as they could. This seems to be a common theme coming up in the patches where things which are going to annoy the playerbase a lot seem to always be missed. I will give you the benefit of doubt again that this is poor communication (especially as you had to take the first posted notes offline and repost the correct ones) but as a company you REALLY need to start working on getting the correct (and full) patch notes to players, because we don't want nasty surprises which we then have to create our own threads about just to get (once again) "we dun-derped oops!".

So onto the issue here. The containers that these items now populate are farmed for a reason, you have them as the most accessible place to gain some of the most wanted/needed items in the game for provisioning and crafting.
The time taken to farm a motif via the log-off trick was already reasonably high with players investing an hour or two just to get one motif and the fact that purple recipes are even more rare to collect.

There are enough items in the game which hold no values and quickly fill our inventories, adding more which are stored in items most players stop at to loot is a complete PITA to anyone using autoloot.
One of the main reasons we as players would loot random items in other TES titles is because they would hold a gold value or be something of use. In ESO it's pretty easy to find a green item with an enchant which can be used until you level enough to gain a new one.

While these items (lootable from tables, weapons racks etc.) add to the immersion and players had little to complain about that fact adding them to everything else and padding the loot tables making rare items even harder to obtain (if these item replace chances of other drops) is just... meh.

The only reason I enjoyed been able to pick up armor etc laying around was to sell it..

Turelus wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Bookwyrm wrote: »

That sounds like it might be a bug related to a mechanic that was added. The patch notes said that the armor and weapons that you see lying around in the world could now be picked up, but they would be worthless (monetarily) but could be used as gear in a pinch. It said nothing about adding these items to the loot tables, though, as far as being in boxes and bags. I'd report that. That seems off.

You're correct in that assumption, @Bookwyrm. Just posted a clarification in the patch notes, but the zero value for armor and weapons that you find also apply to anything you find in an interactable object, such as drawers or cabinets.

Okay I am going to try my best to be civil with this but I am in a stinking mood over this change for the following reason.

The original patch notes, and all of the patch notes for PTS said NOTHING about these being stored in containers where rare and wanted items come from. Had this been clearly communicated at at point I am sure there would have been a much larger input of feedback about how people wouldn't be happy with it.

It seems almost like the development team knew this was going to be a bad idea and create large amounts of hate from the playerbase so avoided telling anyone as long as they could. This seems to be a common theme coming up in the patches where things which are going to annoy the playerbase a lot seem to always be missed. I will give you the benefit of doubt again that this is poor communication (especially as you had to take the first posted notes offline and repost the correct ones) but as a company you REALLY need to start working on getting the correct (and full) patch notes to players, because we don't want nasty surprises which we then have to create our own threads about just to get (once again) "we dun-derped oops!".

So onto the issue here. The containers that these items now populate are farmed for a reason, you have them as the most accessible place to gain some of the most wanted/needed items in the game for provisioning and crafting.
The time taken to farm a motif via the log-off trick was already reasonably high with players investing an hour or two just to get one motif and the fact that purple recipes are even more rare to collect.

There are enough items in the game which hold no values and quickly fill our inventories, adding more which are stored in items most players stop at to loot is a complete PITA to anyone using autoloot.
One of the main reasons we as players would loot random items in other TES titles is because they would hold a gold value or be something of use. In ESO it's pretty easy to find a green item with an enchant which can be used until you level enough to gain a new one.

While these items (lootable from tables, weapons racks etc.) add to the immersion and players had little to complain about that fact adding them to everything else and padding the loot tables making rare items even harder to obtain (if these item replace chances of other drops) is just... meh.

Value really depends on who is having it really. Wine Grapes do not have any resale value but its really useful for peeps wanting to level up provisioning. thats value right there.

if i'm a player, a Solo player who just dont care where and how i get my gear, how i can get the best gear without needing to group up. using my hirelings, increased chances for upgrade passive, i can do that now. its much much easier than hollering in zone chat to buy gear.

in fact, i find that im finding more recipes than usual with this patch. just got 10 green recipes which i can either a) use it b) sell it at guild store. i can also give it away or just leave it in the container that i just found.

Are those "junk" items more or less equal to white drops with 0g value or are they junk with thar big J?

Also did someone check if the appearance for that "junk" is different, new designs or just recycled stuff?

Its their way to extending game time you have to spend to level provisioning, alchemy and farm valuable things for gold.

Turelus wrote: »

But I was lead to believe this items are just basic white items with traits, no set bonuses, no enchantments.

I would love to have this confirmed.

crislevin wrote: »

This is pathetic, so now motif farming is nerfed

I have yet to pick up a single rare motif since early access still. Now I have even less chance of getting on legitimately, because of this. I have had a conversation a month ago with my guild, members online at that time, who all said since early access they had never found a purple recipe.

Now, we do have a green name popping in, saying they are looking into this information, so maybe it was no supposed to be quite like this, we will see. But, there have been numerous complaints about inventory management, and this seem to be a step backward in that matter.

Tobiz wrote: »

How is this a problem?
Dont pick it up!?

Ok think of it this way.....
(before) you need 'item A' to be able to make that awesome piece of purple food because you cant buy that item.....
you search containers and find it after 2 days.

(now) you need 'item A' to be able to make that awesome piece of purple food because you cant buy that item.....
you search containers and find it after 200 days because they filled the 6 drop loot table with 400 other pieces of junk so now you have probability of 1:14400

And that's just for 1 item.....imagine this same crap for every item you can make.

Make it so anything worth 0g takes zero inventory space. The immersion people can't complain because 0g value for things already breaks immersion because it makes no sense except as metagaming.

At the least, give 0g items their own inventory and make it hold a lot.

Or you could... I don't know... Just not pick it up? I only take the stuff I want out of containers.

Innocente wrote: »

But, the griefers will be happy to leave it in the containers for the next guy.

When you finish with that everything you said before is meaningless. You clearly do not understand the game.

SO I finally got in game. It's even worse than I though.

- items you loot from items don't actually LOOK anything like that item. It's just an item shell with the level equal to yours

- they don't have any traits, making them worthless not only for crafting, but also for wearing

- they clutter every possible container, making provisioning even worse hell than till now

- they look like normal white items, and we have to double check prices to know which one is which