Do you feel like a betatester in ESO?

Drake81 · June 2014

Ah, nonononono, i dont feel like a beta tester. In beta there was a high response for everything. Support? Answer. Suggestion? Answer. etc. etc. pp.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

I mean, for many people, the game stills being in beta. I agree because many of the bugs and problems the game had in beta times, continue existing.

So, do you feel you still betatesting the game? With the difference that now you pay for it?

My experience is that the betas were more stable.

It's certainly not hyperbole to talk about this game still feeling like a beta, three months down the road and there are still game-breaking bugs being fixed and other progress-stoppers still to be tackled.

Add to that the first 'content update' added Craglorn and a large section of this patch's notes are dealing with fixes to that, clearly Craglorn's beta testing continued after it hit thelive servers.

Anthonypjrushb14_ESO · June 2014

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

Nope. Thank you so much for asking.

Ironically, I've played games that felt like I was a beta tester - and I mean a real beta tester, not "this game isn't playing the way I want." But really not had that experience here.

- care to explain at all? why you don't feel like one? so far everyone up till here has given valid reasons for their view and all you have said is "nope i don't feel like one"
- as for me yes i do feel less like a beta tester and more like an alpha tester. many things that should be in the game are just now being put in (fov) (expanded world interaction) ect. and it wont be for maybe a year till they add in the thieves guild and dark brotherhood/crime system which is a must have for any elder scrolls game. and lets face it, a crime system will bring massive change to the community and gameplay style... hopefully. atm i see nothing special in this game that you wont find in wildstar(which i loath with every core of my being), archeage (with more actually class customization) or DCO (which actually has the exact same combat style, action combat with an action bar that can be swapped out and has only 5 slots... literally exactly the same combat)) and don't get me started on the terrible economy ingame forcing ppl to join guilds they would otherwise have nothing to do with just to buy/sell goods

Anthonypjrushb14_ESO · June 2014

Kaytlin wrote: »

Humm, it would appear that you have little experience in MMO's if you feel like a beta tester at this point in time. Here is a game that offers more content, a greater battlefield for PVP and dungeons galore. It provides this in a fairly seamless manner, with little if any lag issues that plague games that have been out much longer than ESO. How many games are out there right now that can simultaneously have over 1500 players in a battlefield at the same time? Only one that I know of ESO. Certainly there are going to be bugs! You can beta and alpha test with a million people and bugs will still occur. It is the nature of programming a game on such a large scale. For those who believe the developers are new to MMO's, please consider the Developer pool is not as large as you imagine. Developers move from house to house when the project is done on a frequent basis. The developers of ESO have had a lot of experience developing online games, if you doubt this please do a little research on the developer team! Many have been designing and producing games since well before Everquest, and that's a long time!
Will bugs develop in future updates, yes it will happen. WoW took over a year to reach a point were there minimal bugs, I know I was there from the release. Will there be adjustments to skills and characters, yes! The developers will continue to try and make all the classes as equal on the field as they can. This comes from the game experiences and feedback of millions of players. You cannot beta or alpha test that, as much as you would like.
So, sit back, take a deep breath, log in when the servers come back up and enjoy the best MMO on the market today or in the near future!
Caytlynne of Skye
V12 Eb Sorceress

you cant have 1500 ppl on ur screen at a time, angry joe's vid only had maybe 80 and he and the majority of his followers all crashed the minute they tried moving and that was after launch. eso has years of experience and many mmos have come out since that they can look to for guidance and understanding and they still *** it up.
oh and wow was launched by a team that had yet made a single mmo at the time with very few in the world to look to for guidance either. also the content at launch for wow was actually larger than eso, not in content but in landsize. you can go from one end of kalimdor to the other, take 1 load screen to eastern kingdoms, then move from its southern most point to its northern. the size of tramriel currently in eso and hit only 1 load screen, and thats on the flight in between. in eso you hit a load screen every 5 *** seconds whenever you go into a building or out. you cant even transition between zones without talking to some npc to port you to the next one its so fkin immersion breaking its not even funny.

SexyVette07 · June 2014

Ive been saying since well before launch that they needed at LEAST a good, solid month of absolutely nothing but fixing bugs. It turns out they actually needed 3 months of nothing but bug fixes.

I suspect itll be another 6 months before all this crap is fixed because Zenimax tends to break more stuff every patch.

SFBryan18 · June 2014

Talk about exaggerating something way over the top, this game is much better than some people will give it credit for. The map itself is huge and looks beautiful. There are quests and enemies everywhere, and the combat system has very nice animation, and people pretend like this game is some amature product. Amazing. I think most of you have no clue how video games are made. These over exaggeration temper tantrums are pretty sad.

RazielSR · June 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Talk about exaggerating something way over the top, this game is much better than some people will give it credit for. The map itself is huge and looks beautiful. There are quests and enemies everywhere, and the combat system has very nice animation, and people pretend like this game is some amature product. Amazing. I think most of you have no clue how video games are made. These over exaggeration temper tantrums are pretty sad.

Can't you see that thanks to answers like yours, the game stills in beta? Many people cancelling subs, and many of same bugs from beta, stills here? If you say everything is perfect, the game will de doomed. It is you who is exaggerating by saying this game is perfect as it is now.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Talk about exaggerating something way over the top, this game is much better than some people will give it credit for. The map itself is huge and looks beautiful. There are quests and enemies everywhere, and the combat system has very nice animation, and people pretend like this game is some amature product. Amazing. I think most of you have no clue how video games are made. These over exaggeration temper tantrums are pretty sad.

The world building is superb, yes, I consider ESO to be the most beautiful game I play, on-line or off-line, it's a pity the quest script writers weren't as talented and skillful in their field as the world builders were in theirs, if they had been we'd not be three months down the road and still seeing fixes for game-breaking and progress-blocking quest bugs being released and others still in the 'to do' list.

THAT's why it feels like a beta, some core content that should be fixed prior to release still doesn't work!

Also, the massive change is numerous skills shows that aspect wasn't ready for prime-time either, the nerfbat's been taken to umpteen features and is still being wielded with gusto by ZOS.

Yes, this game is entirely beta-quality in some aspects, no matter how awesome the world may be.

RazielSR · June 2014

In fact, the game is really beautiful (not the most beautiful for me...) but it is really well designed artistically. It is just that the landscapes feel very small and the mountains are just like rocks. There is no sense of "mountains". There is no sense of "far distance". But I suppose it is because of mmorpg limitations. Problem comes when you want to play. Then you clearly see you are in beta.

digitalprowlerb14_ESO · June 2014

yes, this is the roughest game I have played in about 5 yrs. I can still have fun with it and do, but....it....is....rough /shiver. Needs about 5 more coats of digital wax at least.

ForTheRealm · June 2014

I am trying to help to improve the game, so I am registering bugs whenever I find them.
Considering the frequency of such activities, yeah, I feel a little bit like a beta-tester.

SFBryan18 · June 2014

RazielSR wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Talk about exaggerating something way over the top, this game is much better than some people will give it credit for. The map itself is huge and looks beautiful. There are quests and enemies everywhere, and the combat system has very nice animation, and people pretend like this game is some amature product. Amazing. I think most of you have no clue how video games are made. These over exaggeration temper tantrums are pretty sad.

Can't you see that thanks to answers like yours, the game stills in beta? Many people cancelling subs, and many of same bugs from beta, stills here? If you say everything is perfect, the game will de doomed. It is you who is exaggerating by saying this game is perfect as it is now.

Bull ***

Anthonypjrushb14_ESO · June 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Talk about exaggerating something way over the top, this game is much better than some people will give it credit for. The map itself is huge and looks beautiful. There are quests and enemies everywhere, and the combat system has very nice animation, and people pretend like this game is some amature product. Amazing. I think most of you have no clue how video games are made. These over exaggeration temper tantrums are pretty sad.

Can't you see that thanks to answers like yours, the game stills in beta? Many people cancelling subs, and many of same bugs from beta, stills here? If you say everything is perfect, the game will de doomed. It is you who is exaggerating by saying this game is perfect as it is now.

Bull ***

BS on your bs, look up the numbers online, theres been a greater fallout over the past month than wow took after cata (and thats saying alot) and i dont think its cause of bugs, all Elderscrolls games are full of bugs, i think its the fact that this game still cant figure out if its going mmo or elderscrolls game, its gettin a lil better now but lots of features are still missing and many features needed for an mmo are missing as well, i wont go into detail as i could rant for hours on em. all you need to do is google ESO review and you will see that the majority of game reviewers (with a background not some random fanboy in his basement) are all bashing this game for what it is, an absolute mess. not to mention zos's constant trend of going back on its word, they said they would not do massive single raid bosses and make something new. but they did, trails is proof, hell half the fights reminded me of throne of thunder from WoW with its big stone statues i was peckin away at... anyways ive started rambling so yeh.... *** game that still feels like it should have been released a year from now (and i was not among the rabble crying out for it to be released already, i was hoping to hear delays in its release honestly)

gorant1313ub17_ESO · June 2014

Games in beta's actually listen to players who point out mistakes. Here we just get terrible fixes on things which barely needed modifying, and if they did, they definitely didn't deserve priority over some classes having skills which don't even work.

I don't even know who signed off on those DK changes, but interesting priorities indeed...

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

Anthonypjrushb14_ESO wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

RazielSR wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Talk about exaggerating something way over the top, this game is much better than some people will give it credit for. The map itself is huge and looks beautiful. There are quests and enemies everywhere, and the combat system has very nice animation, and people pretend like this game is some amature product. Amazing. I think most of you have no clue how video games are made. These over exaggeration temper tantrums are pretty sad.

Can't you see that thanks to answers like yours, the game stills in beta? Many people cancelling subs, and many of same bugs from beta, stills here? If you say everything is perfect, the game will de doomed. It is you who is exaggerating by saying this game is perfect as it is now.

Bull ***

BS on your bs, look up the numbers online

Where on-line are believable numbers based on FACT and not just guesses and vain attempts to calculate based on this air by haters with an agenda?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

SexyVette07 wrote: »

Ive been saying since well before launch that they needed at LEAST a good, solid month of absolutely nothing but fixing bugs. It turns out they actually needed 3 months of nothing but bug fixes.

That hasn't been the case at all, the latest 'content update' patch has tons of fixed to the new content ZOS added in the first 'content update' to please their friends in Entropy Rising, who were the only sort of players Trials and the new dungeon are able to play.

Lots of scare developer time was taken making content for the trivial minority while the vast majority had a variety of problems still unfixed even now .. and by the looks of umpteen thread on here right now this new patch broke many more things like Silver Bullets, in-game event notifications, etc. etc. etc.

steveb16_ESO46 · June 2014

There aren't any numbers. All we know is no-one's bragging about them. Anyway - without knowing what sub assumptions were built into the business scenarios, absolute numbers mean nothing.

For all we know their business plan is based on an 80% sub loss in the first 6 months.

lpool96 · June 2014

First of all, NO! I do not feel like a beta tester.

Second, Show me the bug free game out there, especial a new released one.

Third, When a provider releases a bug free software, none of us reading this are still on this earth.

This game have some issues yes, but I have fun every day making new friends every day and the game has a lot of potential so I will gladly pay, and even more then they ask for.

Flynch · June 2014

For the entire lifetime of an MMO there will be bugs.

Why? Because it is either constantly adding things to the content and introducing bugs - or balancing the gameplay and introducing bugs - in fact doing anything will introduce bugs.

So if you class playing ESO as beta-testing because it has bugs, then you're always going to be playing a beta.

There is no 'fix' for MMOs. No patch to cover all the bases. It is what it is - moving forwards or dying by the side of the road.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

I enjoy the game, though I am reporting some bugs when I see them. So I would say I feel that way a little. Never posted single bug report in WoW for 4 years.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

lpool96 wrote: »

First of all, NO! I do not feel like a beta tester.

Second, Show me the bug free game out there, especial a new released one.

Third, When a provider releases a bug free software, none of us reading this are still on this earth.

You may be happy to meekly accept three months into the game there are still game-breaking and progress-blocking bugs which were identified before launch without complaining, others aren't.

lpool96 · June 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

lpool96 wrote: »

First of all, NO! I do not feel like a beta tester.

Second, Show me the bug free game out there, especial a new released one.

Third, When a provider releases a bug free software, none of us reading this are still on this earth.

You may be happy to meekly accept three months into the game there are still game-breaking and progress-blocking bugs which were identified before launch without complaining, others aren't.

I have four characters 1 vr6 one lvl 40 one lvl 30 one lvl 20, devided on all factions. Point out to me the quest ore be more specific about what is progress-blocking, because for me I have been able to complete every single quest in my logs so far. I have yet to visit pvp area.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

lpool96 wrote: »

First of all, NO! I do not feel like a beta tester.

Second, Show me the bug free game out there, especial a new released one.

Third, When a provider releases a bug free software, none of us reading this are still on this earth.

This game have some issues yes, but I have fun every day making new friends every day and the game has a lot of potential so I will gladly pay, and even more then they ask for.

Well bug is not as bug as another bug. For example I bought every single assassins creed for full price and with no patches. Yet I did not bump into single gamebreaking bug. The most funny bug I saw was in ACIV - ship was prettending that she is a submarine or she simply fell from the sky :-).

Would such bug bother me? Well no... Its only funny and does no harm.
ESO had many broken quests which blocked progress and that is bad.

I am not saying this is the only game. Any game released with bug blocking progress or preventing you from play is bad and failure of developement team.

There is nothing to excuse it. Just look at BF4 launch... Players who will forgive this failure to DICE are crazy. DICE deserves to have their next installment to become huge sales disapointment. Just to teach them a lesson that pi*sing on customer's head does have consequences. And those consequences has to lead to loss of jobs for responsible people.

ESO still has some bugs, but still it is beautifull game and I was lucky that I had only two bugged quest (I am not counting early access - that was still beta)

Mortosk · June 2014

Kaytlin wrote: »

Humm, it would appear that you have little experience in MMO's if you feel like a beta tester at this point in time. Here is a game that offers more content, a greater battlefield for PVP and dungeons galore. It provides this in a fairly seamless manner, with little if any lag issues that plague games that have been out much longer than ESO. How many games are out there right now that can simultaneously have over 1500 players in a battlefield at the same time? Only one that I know of ESO. Certainly there are going to be bugs! You can beta and alpha test with a million people and bugs will still occur. It is the nature of programming a game on such a large scale. For those who believe the developers are new to MMO's, please consider the Developer pool is not as large as you imagine. Developers move from house to house when the project is done on a frequent basis. The developers of ESO have had a lot of experience developing online games, if you doubt this please do a little research on the developer team! Many have been designing and producing games since well before Everquest, and that's a long time!
Will bugs develop in future updates, yes it will happen. WoW took over a year to reach a point were there minimal bugs, I know I was there from the release. Will there be adjustments to skills and characters, yes! The developers will continue to try and make all the classes as equal on the field as they can. This comes from the game experiences and feedback of millions of players. You cannot beta or alpha test that, as much as you would like.
So, sit back, take a deep breath, log in when the servers come back up and enjoy the best MMO on the market today or in the near future!
Caytlynne of Skye
V12 Eb Sorceress

You don't PVP a lot I take it?

Lalai · June 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

lpool96 wrote: »

First of all, NO! I do not feel like a beta tester.

Second, Show me the bug free game out there, especial a new released one.

Third, When a provider releases a bug free software, none of us reading this are still on this earth.

You may be happy to meekly accept three months into the game there are still game-breaking and progress-blocking bugs which were identified before launch without complaining, others aren't.

If a person doesn't run into the bugs you're speaking about, they don't apply. I'm at VR 4 and have over 20 days /played time last I checked sometime last week. I haven't hit one single bug that was game breaking, or progress blocking. I hit one bug that held me up for 20 minutes while I had to wait for support to fix it for me.. but that's it.

Say I go to a review some product, say a vacuum, and see it has say a current three star rating. If I was going to leave a 4 star review, or even a 5 star review, then I'm still going to do that. That isn't meekly accepting anything, that's telling the truth about my own experience. If the vacuum didn't break for me personally, I'm under no real obligation to hold the company making it responsible for it breaking (the exception here would be if the product was a safety hazard when it did fail, so the potential to actually hurt people was real, regardless of how infrequent failure happened). This is going to be exceptionally true if most of the reviews are not even about the product being broken or unplayable, but that they just dislike the product because it doesn't fit what they want. It would be rather silly to expect anyone who is happy with a product to boycott it just because there's a group who happened to be on the receiving end of a completely borked version.

If you are expecting this, then I would expect you also offered the same reaction you desire to folks in other MMO games. Literally all of them have a group of players unable to log in, unable to patch, or unable to play because they got hit by some bug the rest of the players happened to miss. Even WoW, with all it's years of polish, still has a group of these players.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO · June 2014

Do you feel like a betatester in ESO?

Yes, was before release and right now its the same just i have to pay for it

Esha76 · June 2014

I beta tested this thing since the 2nd beta weekend. When they announced a 4/4 release date I had a good degree of caution about it, but remained hopeful and went ahead and paid for 6 month sub upon going live. I regret doing so and have cancelled, yet will re-sub if they fix a lot of the things I have issue with. Considering I still have 4-5 months left, that gives them a good amount of time to make drastic improvements.

We can sit here and bicker about what has been fixed, and follow up with what has been broken, and shove it in each others faces comparing this game to others... which would be as productive as inspecting the cat's litter box and only breed arguments.

My biggest reason why I still feel like a beta tester is simple mechanics not working. Abilities not going off when you press said button... repeatedly. I'm not sure how I morphed impulse, on the skill window it says elemental ring, but when I slot it, the slot says fire ring. Several NPCs still not performing properly... the list goes on.

I have all 4 classes in VR, and my main has Tamriel Hero title. At some point, all quests have worked. But there were many, early on, where I had to park her and wait for them to fix it. Anyone in AD remember Motes in the Moonlight for example?? That took them like a week or 2 to fix. Random quests still break and block people's progress today. Just last week some people couldn't do Molag Bal due to a bug.

I don't feel this thing was ready at launch, and I suspect they went and pushed it due to CEOs and/or investors saying they want to start seeing some return. I believe they know this, and that's the real reason why consoles got pushed back so far. The game is simply not done, and each of these patches have been scrambles to try to fix each hole that pops up. If they don't step up the repairs, this ship is going to sink.

And keep in mind, I write this as a person who overall likes the game, probably logged more time in it than most devs post-launch... I'm just really let down at its current state.

Vizier · June 2014

Umm. Let's see. Had the game for a month and a half. It crashed ONCE. I've played a ton of content with little to no problems. It runs great, PvP is fun and the devs are actively listening to the community and correcting issues.

So in short... Umm NO. Game is great. Move along now. Nothing to see here.

kieso · June 2014

I was a beta tester so uhm.. yeah.

dafraorb16_ESO · June 2014

i feel like playing a NB vampire in Cyrondiil right now