Social clothes and vampire appearance

Hamfast · June 2014

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

By the same token, Feeding at stage 4 should be fatal for the victim, the vampire is "Starving", at each stage the outcome could be less severe, taking about 25% of the victims Health per stage... this could also be applied to willing (Players) Victims, but should always apply to the unwilling... Stage 4 in PvP would be a way to kill an opponent, but leave you exposed to their buddies and very vulnerable to fire. Lower stages would also weaken the opponent, but not kill them (unless they were already weakened)...

Another side effect in PvP could be the Victim could have a choice, based on the % of health lost to the bite, to become a vampire (go through the ritual) or Get Cured, and this should not count against the 1 willing bite a week we get at stage 6...

Making the bite interrupt-able (Bitus interruptus?) could allow a victim's friend to stop the attack (not the victim) thus save their friend prior to the end, if the animation takes 4 seconds, at stage 4 that would be 25% of the victim's health per second, personally, I would make the animation 2 seconds per level, stage 2 to stage 1 is a quick top off the tank splash and dash thing, stage 4 is a full, almost out of control feeding frenzy... and while the victim is hurt by the interrupted bite, the vampire must complete the feeding (or kill the victim) to get the benefit... to interrupt the bite would also require a substantial hit to or the death of the vampire...

I can see Cyrodiil now, overrun by slavering mobs of hideous out of control vampires...

Digiman · June 2014

Although from a cosmetic point of view this would seem nice, it will greatly effect the main reason why your a vampire and your need to continuely feed. I do agree 30 minutes between stages is very short and hope Zenimax helps extend the days in ESO a bit or at least the transformation vampire stage.

But to outright remove it is such a harsh and heavy consequence for cosmetic reasons.

Finally the reason why SWTOR added the option to hide dark side corruption was so players who play non force based classes look like a sith sorcerer Palpatine.

Halke · June 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

I agree with a lot of what you say, and am sure a lot of us on this thread would love for feeding to work on other players. I think part of the issue right now is time. As it stands you are only in stage 1 for 30 min before you have to go feed. If that is the only option to make yourself not look like a crazy undead fool, you really hurt the RP community.

There is also the issue of darker skinned races as I had brought up. Having a skill or disguise to make you look 'normal' would fix their problems, but just letting them have the stage 1 appearance is drastically different from how stage one looks for the more humanoid races.

Also, right now when you feed you don't go from stage 4 down to stage 1 in one setting. You have to feed once per stage you want to tick down (unless they changed that since I last fed, I kinda gave up on it since my appearance doesn't change anyways). That said, I like your idea much, much better. Having time spent feeding increase as your hunger does, and having feeding do damage, would be awesome!

MornaBaine · June 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

As someone pointed out earlier, to be able to Mask your affliction would mean either very new or very powerful, perhaps then, as you progress in your vampire skill, the changes become more drastic... a Level 1 Vampire at Stage 1 would look almost normal, stage 4 would be very pale, a Level 10 vampire at stage 1 would look normal, but at stage 4 would be hideous...

By the same token, Feeding at stage 4 should be fatal for the victim, the vampire is "Starving", at each stage the outcome could be less severe, taking about 25% of the victims Health per stage... this could also be applied to willing (Players) Victims, but should always apply to the unwilling... Stage 4 in PvP would be a way to kill an opponent, but leave you exposed to their buddies and very vulnerable to fire. Lower stages would also weaken the opponent, but not kill them (unless they were already weakened)...

Another side effect in PvP could be the Victim could have a choice, based on the % of health lost to the bite, to become a vampire (go through the ritual) or Get Cured, and this should not count against the 1 willing bite a week we get at stage 6...

Making the bite interrupt-able (Bitus interruptus?) could allow a victim's friend to stop the attack (not the victim) thus save their friend prior to the end, if the animation takes 4 seconds, at stage 4 that would be 25% of the victim's health per second, personally, I would make the animation 2 seconds per level, stage 2 to stage 1 is a quick top off the tank splash and dash thing, stage 4 is a full, almost out of control feeding frenzy... and while the victim is hurt by the interrupted bite, the vampire must complete the feeding (or kill the victim) to get the benefit... to interrupt the bite would also require a substantial hit to or the death of the vampire...

I can see Cyrodiil now, overrun by slavering mobs of hideous out of control vampires...

All of this would be pretty cool but it would require them redoing the entire vampire class, which I don't really see happening. What I'm asking for is a pretty small cosmetic add-on with the possibility down the road that stage 4 vampirism may have consequences when they implement a justice system. Probably a lot more do-able.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

Be glad that you dont burst into flames in sunlight. This feature is super kind of ZOS. When I accidentally got the disease in Morrowind I kept forgetting and ran into the light and died horribly several times. Being a vampire in ESO has nearly NO drawbacks at the moment. get some fire resist glyphs on your gear and you are good to go. except getting knocked on your ass by silver bolts or such in PvP. The reason why so damn many players have become vampires is solely because it is just an added skill line like the fighters guild or mages guild and that is not what being undead should be. I also think were wolves running around in town in wolf form should be attacked by guards...odd,they never do that. I think harder penalties for both are needed as well as motivation to take that risk.

LadyDestiny · June 2014

Yep, us female vamps need to look like Kate in Underworld. How come she gets to stay so nice and sexy? Black veins on Vamps look horrid.....sorry. Don't mind the red eyes or even a paler complexion, but the ghastly black veins kills it.

Whisper292 · June 2014

Hamfast wrote: »

By the same token, Feeding at stage 4 should be fatal for the victim, the vampire is "Starving", at each stage the outcome could be less severe, taking about 25% of the victims Health per stage... this could also be applied to willing (Players) Victims, but should always apply to the unwilling... Stage 4 in PvP would be a way to kill an opponent, but leave you exposed to their buddies and very vulnerable to fire. Lower stages would also weaken the opponent, but not kill them (unless they were already weakened)...

Another side effect in PvP could be the Victim could have a choice, based on the % of health lost to the bite, to become a vampire (go through the ritual) or Get Cured, and this should not count against the 1 willing bite a week we get at stage 6...

Making the bite interrupt-able (Bitus interruptus?) could allow a victim's friend to stop the attack (not the victim) thus save their friend prior to the end, if the animation takes 4 seconds, at stage 4 that would be 25% of the victim's health per second, personally, I would make the animation 2 seconds per level, stage 2 to stage 1 is a quick top off the tank splash and dash thing, stage 4 is a full, almost out of control feeding frenzy... and while the victim is hurt by the interrupted bite, the vampire must complete the feeding (or kill the victim) to get the benefit... to interrupt the bite would also require a substantial hit to or the death of the vampire...

If we're at Stage Four, we have to feed three times to get back to Stage One, so a bigger bite instead of three smaller ones would also help the vampire. At this point, feeding does absolutely no damage to a victim, other than a two-second stun, and it just makes more sense that they would be weakened by a bite. And the longer the feed, the more the damage. Plus, if you're in town at Stage Two and want to charm a townsperson into a quick snack in a well-hidden alley, you don't have to kill them to do it.

My first thought on the bite being interruptable is, "No way!" although I do see your point. The thing is, even if the bite can't be interrupted, the friend can still attack and do damage to the vampire. Then ability to interrupt an attack and thereby do more damage to the vampire is just that much more incentive to feed on solitary victims.

Kyotita · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I guess some of the best vampires are in this forum^^ I agree to all of that. Unfortunately I don't see any of that coming down the line. Too many people would complain if being a vampire had some serious drawbacks like being attacked in town or merchants refusing to trade with them( except a few very seedy merchants) etc. Sadly games are produced for the masses and the masses don't want logical restrictions to things like vampirism.

That's really unfortunate if so. I look at playing a vamp as CHOOSING to play in something of a "hard mode." Not all my characters are vamps for a reason! LOL I think, with the additional powers and perks, there should definitely have to be some trade off. The additional challenges you go through as part of being a vampire is actually part of the fun!

Honestly this^

Vampires are so ridiculously powerful they deserve to be a target. Hell when compared to normal characters and even werewolfs they are GODS as far as power goes (I have a vamp and I feel it is fine the way it is, you chose to get bit so you have to deal with the consequences)

claudosan · June 2014

Dear OP,

The reason why player vamps are different from normal vamps is explained in-game.

We are different from other vampires because we were initiated directly by Mother Lamae. After finishing the vampire quest, a lorebook is found in your inventory. In it are the details regarding the whole quest.

I think the idea of having vampire clothing is awesome. I especially covet Mother Lamae's white robe.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

The clothing part of the OP's comment had nothing to do with vampires. just clothing in general.

MornaBaine · June 2014

No Script is not allowing me to see any of the Spoilers people are posting even though I've told it to allow all of this page/site. SIGH.

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

The clothing part of the OP's comment had nothing to do with vampires. just clothing in general.

True. But I think it's almost inevitable that many vamps would gravitate to specific styles. Some stuff just LOOKS vampy! LOL

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

I was not aware there was a vampire style. Do vampires shop at hot topic? Sure many will gravitate to daedric or ancient elf but that only makes sense seeing as many are very old and out of date on current Tamrielic fashions. WTF is vampric style? XD

Whisper292 · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I was not aware there was a vampire style. Do vampires shop at hot topic? Sure many will gravitate to daedric or ancient elf but that only makes sense seeing as many are very old and out of date on current Tamrielic fashions. WTF is vampric style? XD

Why, yes. Yes, they do shop at Hot Topic. Many think of goth or emo as vampiric. I don't know how it would translate in-game, though. Something dark and leathery, I'm sure.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Kyotita wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I guess some of the best vampires are in this forum^^ I agree to all of that. Unfortunately I don't see any of that coming down the line. Too many people would complain if being a vampire had some serious drawbacks like being attacked in town or merchants refusing to trade with them( except a few very seedy merchants) etc. Sadly games are produced for the masses and the masses don't want logical restrictions to things like vampirism.

That's really unfortunate if so. I look at playing a vamp as CHOOSING to play in something of a "hard mode." Not all my characters are vamps for a reason! LOL I think, with the additional powers and perks, there should definitely have to be some trade off. The additional challenges you go through as part of being a vampire is actually part of the fun!

Honestly this^

Vampires are so ridiculously powerful they deserve to be a target. Hell when compared to normal characters and even werewolfs they are GODS as far as power goes (I have a vamp and I feel it is fine the way it is, you chose to get bit so you have to deal with the consequences)

I'm not asking for anything that affects game play though. Indeed, I advocate for some tougher game mechanic challenges than currently actually exist. But it makes no real logical sense for vampires to almost constantly LOOK like really scary OBVIOUS monsters. Werewolves decide whether or not to be seen for what they are. But the point is that, logically/realistically, a vampire could never leave its house let along go among humans to hunt looking the way they do. Such a creature would simply NOT SURVIVE LONG. What makes vampires truly dangerous is their very ABILITY TO BLEND IN AMONG THEIR PREY. And THAT is borne out by virtually every piece of vampire lore in existence around the globe. It is only SOMETIMES that they can be seen for what they are, depending on the culture of the lore in question. So really, it's NOT asking for anything huge, nor at all game breaking, to ask that we have the ability to A? look normal and/or

maintain the stage 1 appearance. The latter is a bit "off" and would certainly ause most people to be either curious or cautious. So I can't really understand why anyone would be against this happening.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Whisper292 wrote: »

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I was not aware there was a vampire style. Do vampires shop at hot topic? Sure many will gravitate to daedric or ancient elf but that only makes sense seeing as many are very old and out of date on current Tamrielic fashions. WTF is vampric style? XD

Why, yes. Yes, they do shop at Hot Topic. Many think of goth or emo as vampiric. I don't know how it would translate in-game, though. Something dark and leathery, I'm sure.

Yes, ALL vampires shop at Hot Topic! It's true! LOL I was simply referring to the fact that most folks will go for the dark slinky stuff if playing vamps. It's part of the near-universal trope regardless of genre.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

A truelly brilliant hunter blends in with it's prey. perhaps the begger on the corner is 1000 years old watching and waiting for a victim. Placative and streotypical "vampire" clothing makes the vampires a walking joke.

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

A truelly brilliant hunter blends in with it's prey. perhaps the begger on the corner is 1000 years old watching and waiting for a victim. Placative and streotypical "vampire" clothing makes the vampires a walking joke.

Completely agreed actually. And I imagine, should we get the 2 things I've asked for, you will definitely see some folks playing some very crafty vampires.

Whisper292 · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

A truelly brilliant hunter blends in with it's prey. perhaps the begger on the corner is 1000 years old watching and waiting for a victim. Placative and streotypical "vampire" clothing makes the vampires a walking joke.

Aw, man, that hurt my feelings! LOL! Seriously, I do agree with what you're saying about blending in, but the thing is, at this point in time, ESO vampires can't blend in. I think vampire clothing/armor would be a neat addition to the game. I mean, they do have werewolf armor, after all. We wouldn't have to wear vampire gear, of course, and people wouldn't have to be vampires to wear it. But it would definitely be a plus.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

Non-Eso Related I used to play the vampire pen and paper when it first came out. My first charcter was a Gangrel hitchhiker who wore a flannel shirt,cubs baseball cap and jeans. That is a true alpha predator.

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

Non-Eso Related I used to play the vampire pen and paper when it first came out. My first charcter was a Gangrel hitchhiker who wore a flannel shirt,cubs baseball cap and jeans. That is a true alpha predator.

LOL My Tremere wore glasses, hair pulled severely back, and a multi-colored velvet jacket! Librarian serial killer FTW!

butterfly442 · June 2014

Of all the *** broken in this game and this is what you post about.

I'm ashamed to be on the same server with people like you.

Nymirah · June 2014

Laura wrote: »

pretty much this. There has to be something negative about being a vampire - the day they make the appearance optional will be a sad day for the elder scrolls.

Hopefully being stage four will net you a guard slap when the justice system comes out. It pisses me off that stage four vampires can just derp around in major cities.

I remember how horrifically disappointed I was when SW:TOR came out and I discovered that if you made choices that led you to the dark side... not only did it NOT change your faction to sith (if you started republic) but it also didn't necessarily alter your appearance either because the "corruption" affect was merely cosmetic option. Pooooo!

hk11 · June 2014

I wish that advanced stages make me look a lot more creepy and nosferatu like eventually leaving me to look like this:

demonlkojipub19_ESO · June 2014

As far as vampire clothes go... there should be a vampire specific costuome or something. Maybe even a 'vampiric' Motif. Skyrim had specific vampire armor too (even tho you didn't need to be a vampire to wear it), and I liked the way it looked.

MornaBaine · June 2014

butterfly442 wrote: »

Of all the *** broken in this game and this is what you post about.

I'm ashamed to be on the same server with people like you.

Of all the things in the world you can whine and be insulting about and you choose this. I'm not ashamed to be on the same server with you but I'm damn glad I never have to play with you or deal with jerks like you in any way in the game.

MornaBaine · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I wish that advanced stages make me look a lot more creepy and nosferatu like eventually leaving me to look like this:

Ha! I admit that would be pretty epic! i really wish they'd have set it up so we could choose from among the various lore-based vampire blood-lines available but I realize that would have been a mechanics nightmare.

MornaBaine · June 2014

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

As far as vampire clothes go... there should be a vampire specific costuome or something. Maybe even a 'vampiric' Motif. Skyrim had specific vampire armor too (even tho you didn't need to be a vampire to wear it), and I liked the way it looked.

I think there IS vampire armor. I know I've seen a vampire staff.

demonlkojipub19_ESO · June 2014

I aint seen no vampire armor in ESO.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

scroll up a bit and get back on topic. this is not about any kind of vampiric fashion. swit