Social clothes and vampire appearance

MornaBaine · June 2014

I've been away from the forums so don't see these items mentioned in the first 3 or 4 pages so forgive me if the subjects have been covered elsewhere.

I love my vampire character, I really do. And at Stage 1 Vampirism she looks awesome. Alas, that appearance (and actual stage) only lasts 30 minutes. Now from the game mechanics standpoint I'm fine with that. Dealing with the changing stages is an additional and fun challenge when questing with her. But when roleplaying with her I find it distracting and annoying to have my character transform into a very scary monster constantly. I can only slip off to the docks and snack on the riff raff so often in order to maintain my semi-normal appearance! LOL Also, in the game itself you encounter NPC vampires that, at least when you first meet them, look completely normal, not even like a Stage 1 player vamp. So why are we players deprived? Yes this is a really minor cosmetics request but one I hope they will implement eventually. In SWTOR the Sith can choose to hid their corruption. I'd like to have vampires in ESO be able to do the same. I would like to be able to choose to either look like a regular human OR a Stage 1 Vampire for as long as I would like. This would add immeasurably to the roleplay-ability of vampires. Since it's an RP request I realize it's wayyyyy down the list of things they'll probably even consider (has there EVER truly been RPG in an MMORPG???) but it is REALLY something I'd like to see them implement one day.

My other request/hope for the future is social clothing. I'd like to see this as a new crafting skill and the outfits made dye-able and made to be used in the costume slot. These outfits should NOT look like armor or mage robes! I'd like to see them run the gamut from homeless peasant rags to elegant court-appropriate attire and from racy to modest in style. This system would be a huge gold sink but as time goes by we'll need more of those anyway!

nerevarine1138 · June 2014

Vampires having to deal with an altered appearance/social consequences has been a fixture of the Elder Scrolls series since forever.

You're lucky you're able to walk outside during the day and hang out in cities without constantly feeding on the innocent.

Mordria · June 2014

Ugh.. Yeah, vampires look disgusting. You can keep that. Just an eye change would be nice. Like in Underworld. Instead they look like snow zombies. bleh..

As for the clothes, I would also really like to see this.

Laura · June 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vampires having to deal with an altered appearance/social consequences has been a fixture of the Elder Scrolls series since forever.

You're lucky you're able to walk outside during the day and hang out in cities without constantly feeding on the innocent.

pretty much this. There has to be something negative about being a vampire - the day they make the appearance optional will be a sad day for the elder scrolls.

Hopefully being stage four will net you a guard slap when the justice system comes out. It pisses me off that stage four vampires can just derp around in major cities.

MornaBaine · June 2014

I wouldn't ask for an appearance normalization option if there were not NPC vamps in the game. Now admittedly I would not mind if the town NPCs made comments like they do in Skyrim and if you go to stage 4 regardless of appearance I would not mind if the town guard actually attacked you. You have enough time before reaching stage 4 to reasonably go hunt when necessary.

Halke · June 2014

I agree, that yes vamps looking different is normal. However, can you imagine my surprise when my midnight black Khajiit turned out to be a light grey at stage 1?! Why is it this extreme? I RP as well and while it was easy for my fellows to 'hide' their vampirism I found myself having to make my character be white in one guild and actually RP my vampirism in another. I would take no daytime health regen in a heartbeat if they would stop the extreme appearance change. It also makes us walking targets in PvP, look for grey toons and hit them with fire. Vamps have been intentionally nerfed enough, we don't need a cosmetic decision making both the game and RP harder.

Whisper292 · June 2014

Laura wrote: »

Hopefully being stage four will net you a guard slap when the justice system comes out. It pisses me off that stage four vampires can just derp around in major cities.

But why does it *** you off? I don't really understand some players' hatred of vampires. I'm big on immersion, but it's still not like we're real vamps running around in real cities, and it's not like we can even bite other players (I don't play PvP, so I don't know how that works). The ESO experience is what a player makes it, and if some of us want to play vampires, why should it bother anybody else?

That being said, having played Skyrim I can definitely understand the potential for a guard slap if I'm running around Daggerfall as a Stage Four vamp after the justice system is in place. I'm not saying vampires should be all-powerful; I'm just not understanding the player-to-player hate.

Having just begun trying to rp as a vamp, I have to agree with the original OP, at least to some extent. I don't even mind Stage Two, which lasts for a good hour, but anything else and other rp-ers want to kill me, or at the very least won't accept me because I'm a scary vampire, no matter what my motivations are. Yes, there are vampire rp guild, but they're few and far between and a vampire is not all my character is.

I agree with the clothing ideas too. My DK is very tough and all, but she wouldn't mind wearing a dress when she's walking around town trading or attending an rp event. At least she can look pretty while she's trying to fend off the rp-ers who want to kill her because she's a scary vampire.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

I think the drastic change in appearance after only 30 min. is a bit too much. Feed every 30 minutes? What are these vampires diabetic or something? I don't think vampires should ever look "normal" though. Vampires in ESO have always been recognizable to some degree. I think it would be nice to see a slower but drastic change in appearence. Regarding what you call "social clothing" I agree that more clothing should be craftable,shirts,pants, normal unarmored clothing would be great. disguise slot? not so much,just give us normal clothing like any other armor and I'm happy.

MornaBaine · June 2014

@Whisper292 I totally agree with you. But also as i've said before, there are vampire NPCs that look LIKE NORMAL HUMANS in the game! You don't find out about one of them until you go to his house and find a person on the dinner table! LOL So it makes no sense that player vampires absolutely CANNOT look normal.

Whisper292 · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

@Whisper292 I totally agree with you. But also as i've said before, there are vampire NPCs that look LIKE NORMAL HUMANS in the game! You don't find out about one of them until you go to his house and find a person on the dinner table! LOL So it makes no sense that player vampires absolutely CANNOT look normal.

I know the exact person you're talking about! At least I think I do.

I agree that they were a little too subtle starting out with Verandis. Not sure why, because when you meet Gwendis for the first time, it's very obvious that she's a vampire.

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

Feed every 30 minutes? What are these vampires diabetic or something?

I know, right? I think with Skyrim it was at least once a day, wasn't it? I don't mind feeding more often than that, but half an hour to Stage Two is really too short.

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I think the drastic change in appearance after only 30 min. is a bit too much. Feed every 30 minutes? What are these vampires diabetic or something? I don't think vampires should ever look "normal" though. Vampires in ESO have always been recognizable to some degree. I think it would be nice to see a slower but drastic change in appearence. Regarding what you call "social clothing" I agree that more clothing should be craftable,shirts,pants, normal unarmored clothing would be great. disguise slot? not so much,just give us normal clothing like any other armor and I'm happy.

The reason I want these clothes in the costume slot rather than as individual pices that are crafted just like armor is because that would really limit what they can do with them as far as style goes. It's actually a lot easier for them to make an elaborate entire outfit by doing it this way. You can have outfits that actually look properly layered as well and perhaps even pull off things like outfits with cloaks. A separate cloak would be toght for them to implement as a single piece garment and wold likely not lay right over other garments. Doing it as a full costume lets the creators actually get creative and gives them the ability to give us some really fun stuff.

Vis · June 2014

I would love to see vampire outfits (so I can know when to use fighter guild skills).

MornaBaine · June 2014

Vis wrote: »

I would love to see vampire outfits (so I can know when to use fighter guild skills).

LOL I'd be a little surprised to see someone in Cyrodil decked out like Count Dracula nor am I asking for "vampire outfits." The social clothing but has nothing to do with the vampire appearance bit. Only because these are both basically cosmetics requests did I put them together to save space.

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

I haven't found that NPC yet but I get what you are saying. That's actually a serious break with anything I ever encountered in any TES game. I think a vampire capable of completly hiding their disease would either be very young ( a few days undead) or amazingly powerful. Either way it would be an exception. maybe a high level skill could be used to conceal but very few would spend a point in that. Perhaps the upcoming justice system could warrent something like that. doubtful. Sorry to say it but Tamriel is not known for shiny happy vampires. You dug your grave now lie in it. (not meant derisivly)

Vis · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

I would love to see vampire outfits (so I can know when to use fighter guild skills).

LOL I'd be a little surprised to see someone in Cyrodil decked out like Count Dracula nor am I asking for "vampire outfits." The social clothing but has nothing to do with the vampire appearance bit. Only because these are both basically cosmetics requests did I put them together to save space.

I know that's not what you meant ... was just imagining how nice it would be for me.

Sighlynce · June 2014

Laura wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vampires having to deal with an altered appearance/social consequences has been a fixture of the Elder Scrolls series since forever.

You're lucky you're able to walk outside during the day and hang out in cities without constantly feeding on the innocent.

pretty much this. There has to be something negative about being a vampire - the day they make the appearance optional will be a sad day for the elder scrolls.

Hopefully being stage four will net you a guard slap when the justice system comes out. It pisses me off that stage four vampires can just derp around in major cities.

I would LOVE to see stage 3/4 vampires being chased from the towns by the guards

! What self respecting town lets the undead wander around and choose its next meal from its populace . The justice system should do more than arrest thieves and drunks , it should protect the people from being someones meal

. Great idea

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I haven't found that NPC yet but I get what you are saying. That's actually a serious break with anything I ever encountered in any TES game. I think a vampire capable of completly hiding their disease would either be very young ( a few days undead) or amazingly powerful. Either way it would be an exception. maybe a high level skill could be used to conceal but very few would spend a point in that. Perhaps the upcoming justice system could warrent something like that. doubtful. Sorry to say it but Tamriel is not known for shiny happy vampires. You dug your grave now lie in it. (not meant derisivly)

LOL! No offense taken! believe me, I don't want my vamps shiny and happy (or worse, sparkly!) either! I like 'em dark and angsty and outcast! LOL And while it may be a break from lor in the previous games, those normal looking vamps ARE in THIS game so I do not feel it's unreasonable as a player to be able to have the same option. A good compromise would be that if your vamp reaches stage 4 the "mask" drops AND they get attacked by guards! This would add an element of realism and risk I would very much appreciate.

Whisper292 · June 2014

letohatcheeub17_ESO wrote: »

I would LOVE to see stage 3/4 vampires being chased from the towns by the guards ! What self respecting town lets the undead wander around and choose its next meal from its populace . The justice system should do more than arrest thieves and drunks , it should protect the people from being someones meal . Great idea

But it doesn't work that way. At this point, vampires can only feed on hostiles, which they're immediately forced to fight and kill. If a vampire goes into town and has to be run off to protect the people from being a meal, the game should give the vampires the option of feeding on them. I know sometimes I sound like a Skyrim broken record, but in Skyrim you could feed on anyone, and you didn't have to kill them. They could be asleep or be charmed into allowing the feed. If I was able to feed on townspeople, I wouldn't have any problem at all with Stage Three or Four causing NPC hostility because there would be a balance.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Oh and I would totally spend a skill point on appearance options as passives. Then if people don't want to do it they sure don't have to. I wouldn't want it applied universally and without player control of it.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Whisper292 wrote: »

letohatcheeub17_ESO wrote: »

I would LOVE to see stage 3/4 vampires being chased from the towns by the guards ! What self respecting town lets the undead wander around and choose its next meal from its populace . The justice system should do more than arrest thieves and drunks , it should protect the people from being someones meal . Great idea

But it doesn't work that way. At this point, vampires can only feed on hostiles, which they're immediately forced to fight and kill. If a vampire goes into town and has to be run off to protect the people from being a meal, the game should give the vampires the option of feeding on them. I know sometimes I sound like a Skyrim broken record, but in Skyrim you could feed on anyone, and you didn't have to kill them. They could be asleep or be charmed into allowing the feed. If I was able to feed on townspeople, I wouldn't have any problem at all with Stage Three or Four causing NPC hostility because there would be a balance.

Oh ALL of THIS! Hell feeding doesn't even kill or harm HOSTILE NPCs! It just acts as a stun! So yeah, IF we could "feed" on the regular NPC populace that would be fantastic! And if caught in the act, the guard should totally come after us! You have NO IDEA how happy this would make me! LOL

Halke · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

Oh and I would totally spend a skill point on appearance options as passives. Then if people don't want to do it they sure don't have to. I wouldn't want it applied universally and without player control of it.

Yep. As I mentioned before, my appearance change is drastic even when fully fed. I have tons of extra skill points. Just please game, let me not look grey for even a short time.

calamity · June 2014

I like the idea of a "disguise" for vamps. As soon as the vamp attacks anyone, the disguise goes away.

The disguise mechanic could also be a way to provide social clothing, so that you can easily switch to your "in town" or "visiting royals" outfits without having to switch out every armor slot.

Nicolyne · June 2014

I just recently became a vamp and I have been trying to feed to stay at stage 1 but sometimes I get lazy so I let myself go to stage 4 lol. It's fun and adds another layer to my game.

I also like the idea of spending a skill point on appearance options or a cosmetics option like they have in LOTRO.

MornaBaine · June 2014

Halke wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Oh and I would totally spend a skill point on appearance options as passives. Then if people don't want to do it they sure don't have to. I wouldn't want it applied universally and without player control of it.

Yep. As I mentioned before, my appearance change is drastic even when fully fed. I have tons of extra skill points. Just please game, let me not look grey for even a short time.

I would really like TWO options, one where you can maintain the Stage 1 appearance indefinitely (until you hit stage 4 and if you let that happen then it's consequence time!) and one where you can actually look like a normal human. They could cost a skill point each and maybe you'd even have to make them actives instead of passives in that case since you can't have them both on at the same time. I would be totally cool with that though. In regualr tavern type RP it woldn't matter but it's a tougher choice to make when you are out questing in character and do not wish to be recognized as a vampire by your group. So what vampire ability do you give up to look normal? After all, logically you can't feed in front of your companions anyway!

jockjammerb16_ESO · June 2014

I guess some of the best vampires are in this forum^^ I agree to all of that. Unfortunately I don't see any of that coming down the line. Too many people would complain if being a vampire had some serious drawbacks like being attacked in town or merchants refusing to trade with them( except a few very seedy merchants) etc. Sadly games are produced for the masses and the masses don't want logical restrictions to things like vampirism.

MornaBaine · June 2014

calamity wrote: »

I like the idea of a "disguise" for vamps. As soon as the vamp attacks anyone, the disguise goes away.

The disguise mechanic could also be a way to provide social clothing, so that you can easily switch to your "in town" or "visiting royals" outfits without having to switch out every armor slot.

Oh I would like that too! Use any vamp abilities and suddenly your entire cover is blown! Excellent idea!

Halke · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would really like TWO options, one where you can maintain the Stage 1 appearance indefinitely (until you hit stage 4 and if you let that happen then it's consequence time!) and one where you can actually look like a normal human. They could cost a skill point each and maybe you'd even have to make them actives instead of passives in that case since you can't have them both on at the same time. I would be totally cool with that though. In regualr tavern type RP it woldn't matter but it's a tougher choice to make when you are out questing in character and do not wish to be recognized as a vampire by your group. So what vampire ability do you give up to look normal? After all, logically you can't feed in front of your companions anyway!

If they do something like that I hope they address the fact that Khajiit and Argonians look like **** even at stage 1. Otherwise people like me would be stuck spending 2 skill points (ok yeah I have the points to spend, but it is the thought that counts) to look normal while other races could often get away with just the one.

MornaBaine · June 2014

jockjammerb16_ESO wrote: »

I guess some of the best vampires are in this forum^^ I agree to all of that. Unfortunately I don't see any of that coming down the line. Too many people would complain if being a vampire had some serious drawbacks like being attacked in town or merchants refusing to trade with them( except a few very seedy merchants) etc. Sadly games are produced for the masses and the masses don't want logical restrictions to things like vampirism.

That's really unfortunate if so. I look at playing a vamp as CHOOSING to play in something of a "hard mode." Not all my characters are vamps for a reason! LOL I think, with the additional powers and perks, there should definitely have to be some trade off. The additional challenges you go through as part of being a vampire is actually part of the fun!

MornaBaine · June 2014

Halke wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would really like TWO options, one where you can maintain the Stage 1 appearance indefinitely (until you hit stage 4 and if you let that happen then it's consequence time!) and one where you can actually look like a normal human. They could cost a skill point each and maybe you'd even have to make them actives instead of passives in that case since you can't have them both on at the same time. I would be totally cool with that though. In regualr tavern type RP it woldn't matter but it's a tougher choice to make when you are out questing in character and do not wish to be recognized as a vampire by your group. So what vampire ability do you give up to look normal? After all, logically you can't feed in front of your companions anyway!

If they do something like that I hope they address the fact that Khajiit and Argonians look like **** even at stage 1. Otherwise people like me would be stuck spending 2 skill points (ok yeah I have the points to spend, but it is the thought that counts) to look normal while other races could often get away with just the one.

I think a lot of people would choose both just to have the options. Since you don't like the stage 1 look YOU are actually the one who would "get way" with only spending one skill point by JUST taking the "normal look" option and bypassing the "permanent stage 1" look.

Halke · June 2014

MornaBaine wrote: »

I think a lot of people would choose both just to have the options. Since you don't like the stage 1 look YOU are actually the one who would "get way" with only spending one skill point by JUST taking the "normal look" option and bypassing the "permanent stage 1" look.

Oh, I gotcha now. I was picturing it as a skill and then a second stage or morph of the same skill to get the full option. Having two separate toggles for looks makes a lot of sense. *facepalm* I'm just going to go get some coffee now and see if that will jump start my brain. ^.^

MornaBaine · June 2014

Halke wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I think a lot of people would choose both just to have the options. Since you don't like the stage 1 look YOU are actually the one who would "get way" with only spending one skill point by JUST taking the "normal look" option and bypassing the "permanent stage 1" look.

Oh, I gotcha now. I was picturing it as a skill and then a second stage or morph of the same skill to get the full option. Having two separate toggles for looks makes a lot of sense. *facepalm* I'm just going to go get some coffee now and see if that will jump start my brain. ^.^

ROFL! No worries, I'm already on my second cup and still can't seem to type worth a damn today! Go catch up!