Beedles wrote: »

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

This thread...I don't even...lol...

Anyway for the sake of being constructive, let us demonstrate the full inner works of mage light to the OP :

NB stealthed + enemy player mage light = NB not stealthed.

Truly groundbreaking stuff.

IF you bothered to read the posts you would see that mage light DOES NOT detect NB stealth until they are 1-3m away from you or less. Its not working like its supposed to. btw good job on being rude and insulting, your intelligent words speak of your character. which I am sure is truly ground breaking stuff to you.

Stop talking out your posterior. You clearly do not know how the class skills for NB work if you actually believe we can only be detected if youre right on top of us.

I spend 90 percent or more of my time trying to stay FAR AWAY from magelight users, because they will detect me at 9 meters or less. (thats a bosmer in full medium armor btw, only another bosmer or khajiit can get that close safely, any other race its 12 meters)

If no magelight is used, I can get to about 3-4 meters safely, within my surprise attack range, but thats still dangerous as I could get passived right before I attack, spoiling my surprise damage bonus. (which is a game breaker for a gank, if that suprise doesnt land and crit, I am probably going to die before I can finish you off)

This is from a vet12 nightblade thats been playing this game since november in beta.

It might seem like we are undetectable but did it ever occur to you we DONT SIT STILL WHILE YOU LOOK FOR US?

Rylana wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

This thread...I don't even...lol...

Anyway for the sake of being constructive, let us demonstrate the full inner works of mage light to the OP :

NB stealthed + enemy player mage light = NB not stealthed.

Truly groundbreaking stuff.

IF you bothered to read the posts you would see that mage light DOES NOT detect NB stealth until they are 1-3m away from you or less. Its not working like its supposed to. btw good job on being rude and insulting, your intelligent words speak of your character. which I am sure is truly ground breaking stuff to you.

Stop talking out your posterior. You clearly do not know how the class skills for NB work if you actually believe we can only be detected if youre right on top of us.

I spend 90 percent or more of my time trying to stay FAR AWAY from magelight users, because they will detect me at 9 meters or less. (thats a bosmer in full medium armor btw, only another bosmer or khajiit can get that close safely, any other race its 12 meters)

If no magelight is used, I can get to about 3-4 meters safely, within my surprise attack range, but thats still dangerous as I could get passived right before I attack, spoiling my surprise damage bonus. (which is a game breaker for a gank, if that suprise doesnt land and crit, I am probably going to die before I can finish you off)

This is from a vet12 nightblade thats been playing this game since november in beta.

It might seem like we are undetectable but did it ever occur to you we DONT SIT STILL WHILE YOU LOOK FOR US?

you have no idea what your talking about. you have never been looking through a magelight users eyes because if you did and spent the 1 minute it takes to realize it does not work unless NB is right next to you. so please stop posting meaningless rants that have no base in reality and are just your pompous ego trolling up trash. Once again the words you write tell of your character can you guess what they tell us about you hmm?
1. you insult in the first sentence
2. insult in the second paragraph
3. you write nonsense from a NB, instead of testing it from a magelight users(do this and you like all the other posters will see)
4. then you impress us with you time in the game (I have been playing since alpha oct btw so does that make me more important?)

Starshadw wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

26m range.

Which just makes the NB situation all the more sad - one of the main things we're supposed to be the most-skilled at can be countered with a potion.

if someone drinks that potion then it is impossible for the NB to vanish. I think many NB's who actually reporting that their Dark Cloak is broken have encountered a player which drank that potion of detection.

Beedles wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Are you a troll OP? Or are you a sorc or DK? Either way, go back to your hole.

hells getting cold without you troll. YOU MAD bro?

sounds like a yes to me lol

I've noticed that magelight doesnt reveal a crap after last patch. And it doesnt reveal some1 using Shadow Disguise for sure

Desdemonte wrote: »

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Now you know how it feels mister NB to have a bunch of whiners trying to nerf your class, what goes around comes around as they say, How many damn NBs over the last few months on here bitching about DKs/ Sorcs being OPed and NBs being weak and thanks to that bunch for the nerfs.....

Suck it up NBs its your trun now.....mahahahaha

Beedles wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

This thread...I don't even...lol...

Anyway for the sake of being constructive, let us demonstrate the full inner works of mage light to the OP :

NB stealthed + enemy player mage light = NB not stealthed.

Truly groundbreaking stuff.

IF you bothered to read the posts you would see that mage light DOES NOT detect NB stealth until they are 1-3m away from you or less. Its not working like its supposed to. btw good job on being rude and insulting, your intelligent words speak of your character. which I am sure is truly ground breaking stuff to you.

Stop talking out your posterior. You clearly do not know how the class skills for NB work if you actually believe we can only be detected if youre right on top of us.

I spend 90 percent or more of my time trying to stay FAR AWAY from magelight users, because they will detect me at 9 meters or less. (thats a bosmer in full medium armor btw, only another bosmer or khajiit can get that close safely, any other race its 12 meters)

If no magelight is used, I can get to about 3-4 meters safely, within my surprise attack range, but thats still dangerous as I could get passived right before I attack, spoiling my surprise damage bonus. (which is a game breaker for a gank, if that suprise doesnt land and crit, I am probably going to die before I can finish you off)

This is from a vet12 nightblade thats been playing this game since november in beta.

It might seem like we are undetectable but did it ever occur to you we DONT SIT STILL WHILE YOU LOOK FOR US?

you have no idea what your talking about. you have never been looking through a magelight users eyes because if you did and spent the 1 minute it takes to realize it does not work unless NB is right next to you. so please stop posting meaningless rants that have no base in reality and are just your pompous ego trolling up trash. Once again the words you write tell of your character can you guess what they tell us about you hmm?
1. you insult in the first sentence
2. insult in the second paragraph
3. you write nonsense from a NB, instead of testing it from a magelight users(do this and you like all the other posters will see)
4. then you impress us with you time in the game (I have been playing since alpha oct btw so does that make me more important?)

You're incorrect.

The NB stealth is invisibility. It costs mana and is undetectable while it lasts.

The crouching stealth is available to every class. It's detectable with magelight - 12 meters.

I have both a sorcerer and a nightblade. I find the sorc more fun than the nightblade. I basically get killed all the time in pvp on my NB. So I guess I suck.

Please don't nerf me.

Singular wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

This thread...I don't even...lol...

Anyway for the sake of being constructive, let us demonstrate the full inner works of mage light to the OP :

NB stealthed + enemy player mage light = NB not stealthed.

Truly groundbreaking stuff.

IF you bothered to read the posts you would see that mage light DOES NOT detect NB stealth until they are 1-3m away from you or less. Its not working like its supposed to. btw good job on being rude and insulting, your intelligent words speak of your character. which I am sure is truly ground breaking stuff to you.

Stop talking out your posterior. You clearly do not know how the class skills for NB work if you actually believe we can only be detected if youre right on top of us.

I spend 90 percent or more of my time trying to stay FAR AWAY from magelight users, because they will detect me at 9 meters or less. (thats a bosmer in full medium armor btw, only another bosmer or khajiit can get that close safely, any other race its 12 meters)

If no magelight is used, I can get to about 3-4 meters safely, within my surprise attack range, but thats still dangerous as I could get passived right before I attack, spoiling my surprise damage bonus. (which is a game breaker for a gank, if that suprise doesnt land and crit, I am probably going to die before I can finish you off)

This is from a vet12 nightblade thats been playing this game since november in beta.

It might seem like we are undetectable but did it ever occur to you we DONT SIT STILL WHILE YOU LOOK FOR US?

you have no idea what your talking about. you have never been looking through a magelight users eyes because if you did and spent the 1 minute it takes to realize it does not work unless NB is right next to you. so please stop posting meaningless rants that have no base in reality and are just your pompous ego trolling up trash. Once again the words you write tell of your character can you guess what they tell us about you hmm?
1. you insult in the first sentence
2. insult in the second paragraph
3. you write nonsense from a NB, instead of testing it from a magelight users(do this and you like all the other posters will see)
4. then you impress us with you time in the game (I have been playing since alpha oct btw so does that make me more important?)

You're incorrect.

The NB stealth is invisibility. It costs mana and is undetectable while it lasts.

The crouching stealth is available to every class. It's detectable with magelight - 12 meters.

I have both a sorcerer and a nightblade. I find the sorc more fun than the nightblade. I basically get killed all the time in pvp on my NB. So I guess I suck.

Please don't nerf me.

you ALSO NEVER BOTHERED TO READ OR TEST MAGELIGHT. I will say it AGIAN IT DOES NOT DETECT nb STEALTH AT 12M its working at 1-3m or less. also I can accept your op stealth as long as you don't get to use it in combat over and over.

once again if you bothered to read the post you would know that. Its not pvp if one side gets to debuff you and hit you with impunity and stealth away if they don't kill you outright where you have no chance to fight back and yes I have magelight on and this has happened to me many many times. if you think this is ok then give all characters the ability to do this. This games selling point was the fact you can be anything with any character not op DAMAGE, debuff and stealth assassin with NB only.

Beedles wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Beedles wrote: »

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

This thread...I don't even...lol...

Anyway for the sake of being constructive, let us demonstrate the full inner works of mage light to the OP :

NB stealthed + enemy player mage light = NB not stealthed.

Truly groundbreaking stuff.

IF you bothered to read the posts you would see that mage light DOES NOT detect NB stealth until they are 1-3m away from you or less. Its not working like its supposed to. btw good job on being rude and insulting, your intelligent words speak of your character. which I am sure is truly ground breaking stuff to you.

Stop talking out your posterior. You clearly do not know how the class skills for NB work if you actually believe we can only be detected if youre right on top of us.

I spend 90 percent or more of my time trying to stay FAR AWAY from magelight users, because they will detect me at 9 meters or less. (thats a bosmer in full medium armor btw, only another bosmer or khajiit can get that close safely, any other race its 12 meters)

If no magelight is used, I can get to about 3-4 meters safely, within my surprise attack range, but thats still dangerous as I could get passived right before I attack, spoiling my surprise damage bonus. (which is a game breaker for a gank, if that suprise doesnt land and crit, I am probably going to die before I can finish you off)

This is from a vet12 nightblade thats been playing this game since november in beta.

It might seem like we are undetectable but did it ever occur to you we DONT SIT STILL WHILE YOU LOOK FOR US?

you have no idea what your talking about. you have never been looking through a magelight users eyes because if you did and spent the 1 minute it takes to realize it does not work unless NB is right next to you. so please stop posting meaningless rants that have no base in reality and are just your pompous ego trolling up trash. Once again the words you write tell of your character can you guess what they tell us about you hmm?
1. you insult in the first sentence
2. insult in the second paragraph
3. you write nonsense from a NB, instead of testing it from a magelight users(do this and you like all the other posters will see)
4. then you impress us with you time in the game (I have been playing since alpha oct btw so does that make me more important?)

You're incorrect.

The NB stealth is invisibility. It costs mana and is undetectable while it lasts.

The crouching stealth is available to every class. It's detectable with magelight - 12 meters.

I have both a sorcerer and a nightblade. I find the sorc more fun than the nightblade. I basically get killed all the time in pvp on my NB. So I guess I suck.

Please don't nerf me.

you ALSO NEVER BOTHERED TO READ OR TEST MAGELIGHT. I will say it AGIAN IT DOES NOT DETECT nb STEALTH AT 12M its working at 1-3m or less. also I can accept your op stealth as long as you don't get to use it in combat over and over.

once again if you bothered to read the post you would know that. Its not pvp if one side gets to debuff you and hit you with impunity and stealth away if they don't kill you outright where you have no chance to fight back and yes I have magelight on and this has happened to me many many times. if you think this is ok then give all characters the ability to do this. This games selling point was the fact you can be anything with any character not op DAMAGE, debuff and stealth assassin with NB only.

Could define precisely what you mean by "nb stealth"?

Do you mean:

1. "the usual stealth that every character has by pressing [ctrl]"
2. "the usual stealth that every character has by pressing [ctrl], but only when Nightblades use it"
3. or "the invisibility from shadow cloak that Nightblades have, but that costs magicka to use"

If you mean 3, then it must be a bug. You shouldn't see NBs at all when they use shadow cloak.

That's the whole point of being invisible for 2.5 seconds, so you can't see them. Also, it costs magicka and halts their magicka regen.

If you're upset about that, then you better make a pretty good case why it should change. That's one of the defining abilities of the class and is working as intended.

Anyways, I tried to play the ultimate hiding NB. Didn't work. I basically die all the time in pvp, regardless of invisibility. Also, there's a perfect way to circumvent it - or, at least there was a while ago. Just hard target them. Sure, they will disappear from your screen, but your hard target box will move around with their location. It really sucks playing an NB with that bug.

Beedles wrote: »

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you ALSO NEVER BOTHERED TO READ OR TEST MAGELIGHT. I will say it AGIAN IT DOES NOT DETECT nb STEALTH AT 12M its working at 1-3m or less. also I can accept your op stealth as long as you don't get to use it in combat over and over.

once again if you bothered to read the post you would know that. Its not pvp if one side gets to debuff you and hit you with impunity and stealth away if they don't kill you outright where you have no chance to fight back and yes I have magelight on and this has happened to me many many times. if you think this is ok then give all characters the ability to do this. This games selling point was the fact you can be anything with any character not op DAMAGE, debuff and stealth assassin with NB only.

I'm not sure you've tested Magelight. As a Magicka build Nightblade I use both Shadowy Disguise and Magelight.

I know first hand, from both sides of the issue, that Magelight reveals Cloaked Nightblades.

When a Nightblade uses cloak in range of my Magelight, they turn translucent black instead of going invisible; and I am able to see them for the full duration.

Singular wrote: »

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3. or "the invisibility from shadow cloak that Nightblades have, but that costs magicka to use"

If you mean 3, then it must be a bug. You shouldn't see NBs at all when they use shadow cloak.
...

As stated above, Magelight reveals Nightblades in Cloak.
I don't think it is a bug, since the description for Magelight says it does so.

killedbyping wrote: »

I've noticed that magelight doesnt reveal a crap after last patch. And it doesnt reveal some1 using Shadow Disguise for sure

This was my experience as well and I noticed right after the patch. I also noticed the hollow stealth detection circles with no players in them after the patch.

It would be good to hear from a dev as to whether or not some changes were made to magelight.

What I fail to understand is why the QQ train doesnt just play GW2? GW2 is designed so every bad player will have multiple crutches to lean on and never have to worry about having to improve their play, positioning, learn counters, heck you do not even need to learn your class there. The game is so casual friendly that my cat plays for me.

It is free and it seems like the game most of you would love. Why are you here destroying yet another game with your lazy and clueless play style?

If you get marked by a nightblade, start blocking I admit, first time I got the mark, I didn't know better and he got me, but I went back to his ganking ass and got my revenge.

I'm honestly more worried about the nightblades running in "mage" mode.

I think NB are just about right in terms of abilities. When it comes to the many OP issues in ESO, the NB is not even on my radar.

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

If you get marked by a nightblade, start blocking I admit, first time I got the mark, I didn't know better and he got me, but I went back to his ganking ass and got my revenge.

I'm honestly more worried about the nightblades running in "mage" mode.

That's all fine and dandy...but are you going to keep blocking for the full 60 Seconds that the Debuff lasts? For me that's the stupid part. Why should a Debuff (that lets the NB see you while Stealthed) last for a full Minute. This debuff should be 20s max (if that).