I dont see how 20k is a problem. Thats 200 skills, so vet leveled, grinding a quick 20k should be piece of cake, maybe 1 or two hours of farming.
You can easily make 8-10k of of vet5 mudcrabs in half an hour, i know i did, and wasnt even farming for money but leather craft material and almost fel out of my chair the amount of money i made selling everything to store.
Hardly ever sell anything to players and running around with three 40k horses, maxed out inventories, not bank but dont need more space and still have thousands of gold, dont even know what to do with it, its just piling up and up.
So ... whats the problem with having to pay 20k?

No, you just pick up everything. they die very easy so you can make a ton of kills very fast and drop a lot of stuff. Carapaces and other merchant items drop double on vet mobs so piling that up goes very fast, 100 carapaces is 900 gold, add a ton of greens and whites with ornate trait, money goes VERY fast.

Not to mention the amount of chests you can loot on start islands, each chest drops 50-100 gold, so that goes to the total too.

Mud crabs also drop leather crafting mats which can be refined for upgrade materials that go for 750-2k depending which. then you can take those crafting materials sell them for about 800-1k or you can craft gear with them and vendor it for about 500 per stack.

Ecco wrote: »

Money is so easy to come by in this game, what else are you going to do with it? The game needed money sinks and this was one that has a lot of historical precedent, it's not that surprising nor is it that harsh. I'm not going to get sarcastic and tell you to get over it or anything like that, I get that it is not your ideal of how things should work, but it has a rational basis and is a reasonable restriction and there are *plenty* of far higher priorities to worry about. This? No.

Quite easy while leveling you mean.

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Ecco wrote: »

Money is so easy to come by in this game, what else are you going to do with it? The game needed money sinks and this was one that has a lot of historical precedent, it's not that surprising nor is it that harsh. I'm not going to get sarcastic and tell you to get over it or anything like that, I get that it is not your ideal of how things should work, but it has a rational basis and is a reasonable restriction and there are *plenty* of far higher priorities to worry about. This? No.

At vet 12 it's not easy to make gold at all. You have no quests, save for the repeatable in Cyrodiil, but those will only give you about 3k a day.

Not true. Im playing DC i can make about 20k gold in one hour. Public Dungeon in Stonefalls -> go to the wolves -> kill -> loot -> sell -> repeat. You are getting about 20k each hour. Find your farm spots, and dont cry. Gold is easy.

I think they do need to change the reskill system. You shouldn't have to dump that much gold to change one skill. Zenimax should make it so you can decide which skill tree or skill you want to reskill instead of its current system. Which is a system that doesn't work well.

DanielR wrote: »

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Ecco wrote: »

Money is so easy to come by in this game, what else are you going to do with it? The game needed money sinks and this was one that has a lot of historical precedent, it's not that surprising nor is it that harsh. I'm not going to get sarcastic and tell you to get over it or anything like that, I get that it is not your ideal of how things should work, but it has a rational basis and is a reasonable restriction and there are *plenty* of far higher priorities to worry about. This? No.

At vet 12 it's not easy to make gold at all. You have no quests, save for the repeatable in Cyrodiil, but those will only give you about 3k a day.

Not true. Im playing DC i can make about 20k gold in one hour. Public Dungeon in Stonefalls -> go to the wolves -> kill -> loot -> sell -> repeat. You are getting about 20k each hour. Find your farm spots, and dont cry. Gold is easy.

Grinding out mobs to get enough gold to respec should not be requirement of this game. As was pointed out earlier: that's not "play the way you want."

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

Grinding out mobs to get enough gold to respec should not be requirement of this game. As was pointed out earlier: that's not "play the way you want."

yes you are right, there should be no cost whatsoever, everything should be free, free horses, free inventory upgrades, free repairs, free items for "sale" by merchants, free respecs.
Heck why even bother, i should be able to install the game, create a toon and enter the game with a vet12 armed to the teeth from day one, because thats how i want to play the game ! THEY LIED !!!

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Ecco wrote: »

Money is so easy to come by in this game, what else are you going to do with it? The game needed money sinks and this was one that has a lot of historical precedent, it's not that surprising nor is it that harsh. I'm not going to get sarcastic and tell you to get over it or anything like that, I get that it is not your ideal of how things should work, but it has a rational basis and is a reasonable restriction and there are *plenty* of far higher priorities to worry about. This? No.

If you can sit in your parents basement and play when the sun rises and sets then sure, gold is not an issue.

This is a garbage argument. Even with inequivalent time spent the gold difference two players make per day can be marginalized by hirelings occasionally sending you 4-6k in the mail per profession.

Gern_Verkheart wrote: »

I could argue all day with you people about the cost and how "easy" it is to make gold as a vet-12. So let's forget that point for now, and ask why I have to respec all 250 skill points just to change the morph on one skill? How can you not think that is absolutely ridiculous?

You dont, you can stop using that skill, try something else. If the skill is as vital to your build as you say it is, you should've put more thought into morphing it. Maybe you could substitute your single target ranged stam ability with another single target ranged stam ability, silver bolts?

When I morphed my hidden blade 1 week ago I was interested in shrouded daggers. I found this googling "eso shrouded daggers".
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/shrouded-daggers-dual-wield/
I chose not to use shrouded daggers and went with flying blade. Not difficult.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Resetting every skill point should be optional and not an requirement. Respec cost is 100 gold each skill point so, allowing people to respec individual ability or morph anywhere in the game (please see the boded words) is really not game breaking in any way, the gold "sink" will still be in the game.

ESO is a fast paced game where having the right setup at the right time can cause you to die or survive.

No, respecing is not something you should be doing every hour, 2 days, boss fight, time you enter cyrodiil, or run a dungeon. Morphs are there to customize your character. Morph chioce is what makes my nightblade different from your nightblade. They are not there for you to power game your way through every situation by swapping morphs on the fly. Without expensive morph respecs or having to visit the shrines in capital cities, you will have one less element of choice in the "play your way" philosophy. With everyone currently running around in light armour and staves, morph choice is one of the few elements currently working to create diversity amongst player builds.

This question applies to every1 complaining about gold in this thread, have you done any anomalies farming in your vr1-12? Because the majority of gold in this game comes from quests. I have been leveling doing quests almost exclusively, and have no issues with gold at v5 just starting my v4 zone. Others also have no issue with gold. At vr1 mid way through cold harbour I had 30k saved up, bought a 17k horse, sent a friend 17k for a horse, had respeced once for 5k or something insignificant and once for 11k. Thats about 70k in my first faction zone without repair costs.. Assume 50k of that is quest gold and the other 20+ is just drops. That means there is at least 150k in quest gold between the 3 factions, probably more for vr, + drops. I've never farmed anomalies but i've heard they have pretty regular purple drops, but I cant imagine they come anywhere near the 100k+ gold a player would receive for doing the vr1-12 quests. Doing anomalies would also explain why your learning your class at vr12, instead of vr1-2 like you should've.