No. Hell no. Absolutely not.

TANSTAAFL

Murmeltier wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Getting nearly 1 shot by these veteran caster mobs is getting really old. I like challenge but getting killed just by getting hit once is just silly. I personally hope they remove this fire debuff entirely or at least reduce it down to some sane number because everything in this game, including most instances have tons of fire damage everywhere.

Playing vampire is like switching on hardmode, especially when healing a group with vamps.

Put a purple Fire protection glyph on a purple jewel.

You can afford to lose one regen from jewel, due to the Vampire passives.


Personally having 1060 Fire Protection goes long road at Veteran Levels (VR5+) and at Cyrodiil.
Especially at Cyrodiil I laugh at the Dragonknights and the Fire damage Casters.

And yes I am a Khajiit Templar Vampire. And never bothered to get off Stage 4 either. Feels pointless the hassle to try find victims.

This i mean. A perfect Example how much Bonus it brings to play a Vampire. This Option needs more Disadvantage or most of the Players will choose this too. And hello, is this Teso or a cheap Twillight MMORPG?

I mean if we can get some nice Bonus it will work like the Veteran Ranks, you need to have this to play at the Endgame. Zenimax should know this and don`t offer a cheap Option to get some Advantages in the Game.

MFG Murmeltier.

Until VR5 I was against Vampires full stop.

However I play a melee Templar.

Having spend money on four respecs, was the only option left to try something new.
(FYI Never had issued until I hit VR3+ content).

For "Lore" pespective, I would have stayed away from it. And believe me, if they fix the Stamina damage, weapons, Templars, Medium & Heavy armour as promised earlier this week by ZOS Jessica, I will go get the cure first thing.

You will ask why Vampire. Because I do not want to wear Light armour and carry Destro staff which is the only alternative.

Also

a) I get bit more resistance to damage when low health, and might save my skin. I am not one of the best players out there you know and prone to lag.

b) Invigorating drain. Might not seem a lot in face value but that bit CC + pool recovery is what is missing from a Templar inherited abilities. We had such pool restoring ability, but was deemed "TOO OP" (2% Magicka per spell cast).

But its removal screwed the class completely. The reason is that they should have had to drop the costs of all spells by quite a lot.


Also that "rejuvanation" ability is what the NB & DKs DO HAVE to some extend inherited by their class abilities.

Finally, you will say "for CC but you have Javelin". Yeah right. Is very good if you are range player not Melee player. (Bow especially) It burns a lot of Magicka, and is only there to give us some space to burn more magica trying to heal.

So taking all these into consideration, with the "VAMPIRES ARE OP" statement, I would say it depends.

On an NB, SC and especially DK, the Vampire line stacks more on an already enchanced passive & active line of abilities those classes have. Especially on resource managment and survival side.

Example DK + Vampire damage mitigation makes the Vampire damage mitigation seem OP. However isn't. Is the combination of those two together that make it op. And if you are Emperor or deposed Emperor, makes it even more OP goes off the scale.


On a Templar on the other hand, the Vampire line, just tries to get them bit more playable than currently are.

Or else I would like to point at me same Templar abilities providing some CC also at the SAME COSTS, and they are NOT PBOAE.


Similar to

DK : Green Dragon Blood + Drain Essence + Burning Heart + Burning Embers + Magma Armor
(and I am not going down to Petrify etc).

NB : Siphoning Attacks + Soul Siphoner + Magicka Flood.

SC : Have you see the passives and the synergies with Morphs?

Templar has two abilities worthy of, before you go to the ones that penalizing something (eg Sun Shield).

Eclipse. But that doesn't work for 90% of the enemy spells.

Spear Shards. Is ground target, with all the implications while also trying to dodge & block damage as melee player, making it very unwieldy.

Raash wrote: »

Somehow i cant get past the feeling many vampires bought their bites in hope to be a rockstar but now facing the consequences and are stuck playing an old violin wich only can play sad tunes? Am i correct?

Depends. Many believed it will be the OP configuration to face roll anything.
Which isn't.

Me on the other hand was a very late choice to try make my Templar close the gap with NB & DKs survival ability.

Spell resist, fire resist, and Dunmer resist make the fire debuff pretty trivial in most situations. As long as I don't stand in the big red circle of death I usually don't pay any attention to fire weakness.

the pro's and con's seem sort of tacky there should be a bit more to being a vampire and the pro/cons should scale with stages.

Vampire is a specialty build because it has specific strengths and specific weaknesses. You choose vamp for a specific purpose and not for a general purpose.

Making vampire a general purpose buff/class line takes away from this concept.

I'm in the "Go ahead, step outside in the daylight because I want to watch you burst into flames" camp. So...no.

On the other hand, I did have silver shards crit an emperor Vamp NB on the 8th...getting me the Assassinate the Emperor and Emperor Slayer achievements simultaneously...so there's that.

Are you serious with this poll? Your choices have consequences. The benefits of vampirism have drawbacks to offset it. It is called balance. If you don't like low FR, get some FR jewelry or cure it. But don't start a poll trying to unbalance something that is finally balanced.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

My character, being a Templar of the Divines, a sworn enemy of Molag Bal and a (reluctant) servant of Meridia, wants to make it known that she thinks it is a holy duty of the developers to increase the damage. Let those ungodly creatures burn!

On that note... I would just like to say.. For as much as Meridia is supposed to hate the Undead, I was a bit shocked that she didn't even mention something when talking to me (on my vamp character).

Havelocke wrote: »

How about, instead of removing the fire debuff - give us the ice resist that every other vampire has in every other Elder Scrolls game

That sounds good.

Needs to be increased and make it so enchantments don't effect it.

No! Being an abomination has it's cons. Deal with it. Also, if you wish to be saved from your curse, Visit @Valthorian for a swift death or help with your potions cure.

Hey, sparky... you wanted to be a vampire to be extra uber... now deal with the uber-suckage of being a walking pile of kindling.