Oh I forgot to mention: Don't trash talk our former emperors fixate/nicolle.

If you pay any attention or ask around, their groups do good work (I don't care how they got emperor and etc... the truth is they still did their fair share).

nickster2112b16_ESO wrote: »

its more than just impulse spam that aint gonna work its hiding in a blob and exploiting equilibrium to stack free ultimate (right theres the problem you shouldnt be able to gain ultimate when not actually in combat) stacking barriers then running as a blob using any aoe they have.

Unfortunately they stated that purposely generating ultimate solely on healing those spamming equilibrium is 'working as intended'. I'm pretty sure they just cant put a classification on self inflicted wounds so healing those won't generate ultimate.

But its pointless to complain about it. its like people complaining about DK's being able to get 2 ultimate per cast of a skill from one of their lines... just going to cleared to go.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

*sigh* impulse spam is only viable when you have severely higher numbers than the enemy. Come close to the same numbers and the impulse spam group will drop to the floor.

So, yeah impulse groups are also the best strategy when your numbers are that much greater than the enemy. What do you want, the whole group to stop take out their daggers and fight one on one?

p.s before anyone says something: I'm a dual wielding NB who doesnt have staves leveled much at all.

That's weird because we do this to 2x+ our numbers and no one dies. This is the exact mechanic to combat LARGER numbers than yourself.

I'm kind of at a loss here for what else to say.

Speaking personally I've seen people starting to leave PvP altogether on the DC side until the campaign reset. People just got burnt out after fighting AD and EP at the same time for about ~10 days or so. I suppose the end result is that now we're starting to see red/yellow crossed swords on the PvP map for the first time in weeks instead of only blue/red and blue/yellow, so I'm sure things will equalize once everyone moves from Wabba to the vet server.

Plus, people are no doubt already starting to get bored doing nothing but PvE or ghost capping on the low pop, low competition campaigns.

Zintair wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

*sigh* impulse spam is only viable when you have severely higher numbers than the enemy. Come close to the same numbers and the impulse spam group will drop to the floor.

So, yeah impulse groups are also the best strategy when your numbers are that much greater than the enemy. What do you want, the whole group to stop take out their daggers and fight one on one?

p.s before anyone says something: I'm a dual wielding NB who doesnt have staves leveled much at all.

That's weird because we do this to 2x+ our numbers and no one dies. This is the exact mechanic to combat LARGER numbers than yourself.

I'm kind of at a loss here for what else to say.

Then whichever large groups you fought were morons. Fun fact: Negates destroy impulse groups.

Raeder wrote: »

fixate wrote: »

Raeder wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I really don't know how it got to an impulse spam thing. I was just talking about how all the EP suddenly come out of the rocks they were hiding under in because fixate and nicole left the campaign. It somehow boosted moral and made people want to fight

I expected to have to wait until the campaigns closedown and scoreboard reset before we see this action out of the wabba EP, but it came early.

What's even worse, is that those two players basically picked the most OP classes in the game and exploited the bat swawm stuff when it was still OP to get Emp.

I've faced both of them in 1v1s and won as a Dual Wield NB, neither one of them are any good by themselves. It's only when they are in a group of EP, or when they are facing multiple enemies that they become problem.

First of all... I am always active/working together with other guild leaders & raid leaders on Wabbajack and I only left the home campaign right before we secured Emperor so our guildmate Draizek could get it before the campaign ended. At 10 million AP he did more than deserve it. Second of all I've had to clarify this WAY too many times.. I (FIXATE) have never been a friggin vampire. Claiming to 1v1 me isn't anything special because I die all the time and I'm definitely willing to admit that.

Stop rumor mongering and being petty for no reason. This is a thread to discuss the ongoing campaign efforts not player drama.

I've seen enough of your group to know that you had plenty of batswarmers, and I've seen you personally spam Standard with block up 100% of the time. It may not be your fault that ZOS doesn't know how to balance worth a damn, but it is certainly why you are considered "good" from the perspective of people that fight against you. IE, broken mechanics.

I'm sure no one in your faction has done ANY of those things.

I think the difference is remaining competitive and playing great AFTER the balance fixes.

What's your excuse now? He spams impulse with Block up and bat swarm and Standard all while dropping Oil???

Good players are good regardless of changes and fixes.

DC zone would rather make up reasons they lost than improve. Ranging from every organized group is a multi boxer to falling for every farm trick there is.

If anyone dare say something to the contrary they just get drowned out by more excuses.

Infraction wrote: »

DC zone would rather make up reasons they lost than improve. Ranging from every organized group is a multi boxer to falling for every farm trick there is.

If anyone dare say something to the contrary they just get drowned out by more excuses.

I can believe it, especially based on some of the "tactics" I've seen them employ.

Overall they won Bloodthorn not through skill, but through sheer numbers. Look at the ranks and lifetime AP totals of our top earners EP side compared to DC's. The fact that the lifetime totals for Magnarz and Mighterknot and Varus (all of whom had the crown and retired from leaderboards to allow others to have it) all exceed Sunrest's (who has had the crown for a month solid with only three days off sporadically throughout that time) should tell you exactly who gets farmed there. The emperor should be an AP farming machine. When Mighterknot had the crown for 26 hours, he pulled nearly 1 million AP in a day with everyone in the group (depending on how long they were online) pulling between half a million and three quarters of a million.

Then when Wabbajack got really tough and your Alliance needed more people playing and playing at all hours of the day, DC did exactly what I expected them to do -- they quit. They swamped Bloodthorn (already drowning in blue) with even more of them. Your Alliance wanted the easy win instead of either a tough second place and possible victory that you could be proud of.

The EP of BT still haven't given up on trying to accomplish things in that campaign, even though we know we're coming in 2nd (and if we did, BT would be as dead as Hopesfire -- you're welcome for us staying). The EP of Wabbajack didn't give up when you started catching up to them, they fought harder and clung to it with the tips of their fingernails.

You've lost Wabbajack. It's done but for the crying.

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Then when Wabbajack got really tough and your Alliance needed more people playing and playing at all hours of the day, DC did exactly what I expected them to do -- they quit. They swamped Bloodthorn (already drowning in blue) with even more of them. Your Alliance wanted the easy win instead of either a tough second place and possible victory that you could be proud of.

You've lost Wabbajack. It's done but for the crying.

Like last night on Wabbajack, EP got all 6 Scrolls and Emperor while all 3 populations were locked. What did DC do? Within an hour they dropped down to Medium population, and Bloodthorn's DC pop went from High to Full around the same time. Hell, AD stayed, even though they have no chance of victory at this point.

I was watching the population totals and these events are what I was referencing. When Wabba was locked EP/AD and 1 bar DC near the end of the evening, BT was STILL locked for DC.

Absolutely pathetic.

Salute to those DC who stayed on Wabba.

Jeers to those who threw away their faction's chance at victory by quitting and going over to a campaign they were already winning. Want a challenge that's not Wabbajack? Go try to dethrone Moon Die on Auriel's Bow.

I suspect, due to the sheer lack of heart DC has, he'd stomp them flat.

Congrats to Emperor Draizek. It was the organization we had from great leadership like Zintair, Fixate, Kage, Krotha, Talcyndl, and others who helped organize TS groups and worked together to secure victory. You can make excuses about numbers all you want but the lock symbol was on all three factions starting at 7PM EST.

Fixate or Nico never once told EP to get emperor for their personal gain. They always worked with several other guilds to make sure we were winning for EP and not for themselves.

Hats off to DC and AD for putting up one heck of a battle the past month. There are some good players on both sides. Everyone can cry and complain that one side had more numbers, or one side was using too much AOE, etc, but it goes all three ways. My guild took every loss and worked together to improve our strategies and builds to compete with the best.

All the complaining just needs to stop. We are all going to see each other again on the next campaign and may it be as epic as the first Wabbjack.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jeers to those who threw away their faction's chance at victory by quitting and going over to a campaign they were already winning. Want a challenge that's not Wabbajack? Go try to dethrone Moon Die on Auriel's Bow.

I suspect, due to the sheer lack of heart DC has, he'd stomp them flat.

No way they could dethrone Moon Die, but more because on Auriel's if a few DC or EP player shows up AD goes to High/Full pop within minutes and zerg then gate camp you into quitting.

Oh, I know.

But they've got all those big, elite PVP guilds on the DC side of things. Shouldn't they see that as a challenge? Shouldn't they be taking on campaigns their alliance is doing poorly in instead of hiding in the one that's mathematically locked to a victory for them?

I mean, they've got years of PVP experience and all these advanced tactics, and are so very coordinated. They don't turn down any challenges and take on every opponent and win with superior skill.

Right?

Right?

And in no way is this my secret desire to see certain people zerged flat by AB's AD.

Vokundein and Condemned went to AB and came 1 keep away from Emperor (not dethroning we did that but CLAIMING) and we took a scroll.

AD on AB is nothing to write home about. Nor are they THAT impressive. Only AD guild I've seen that is impressive is Alacrity.

The briefest keep capture EVER todday at Farragut was just epic. 1.5 hours of farming EP baddies - followed by a successful keep capture with 22 group members dead on the floor getting 1500 AP bonus for capturing farragut.

These things are why I won't leave wabba until they kill it.

Over 120K AP at Farragut....nerf...friends.

I'm a DC player and I've to say props to EP for zerging it up and probably sealing the win for EP.

Not trying to be negative with this comment, they did what they should in order to win... organizedly pushed keeps in order to get Emp while still holding down 6 scrolls last night.

I was in that poor BRK defense... the last stand before EP could get emp... to bad 90% of DC's population was still at Glademist being farmed by AD's emp group holding mine... while making up excuses of bot groups lol.

Although I believe "organized" groups will do whatever they can to have the upper hand and the so called AoE spam groups are very effective (basically in any open world PvP game lately: War, GW2..) and when talking about keep defense/offense, is all about AoE heal/damage etc. Ends up being lame by the end of the day, but I guess it is what pleases most bad players who basically spam the same rotation over and over in their little zerg.

I still would rather have no AoE cap - AND I'm still waiting for a decent assisting addon or in-game way to assist your teammates through focused single target damage. This would give small coordinated groups ways to have a bigger impact in the overall score.

I do have to be honest though... if more people in DC were using Alienware gaming hardware handcrafted by professional aliens, we would probably have a 50k point lead by now. But people still want to use their bad custom built pcs... Oh well..

/Dureal

Lowbei wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Lord_Draevan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Jeers to those who threw away their faction's chance at victory by quitting and going over to a campaign they were already winning. Want a challenge that's not Wabbajack? Go try to dethrone Moon Die on Auriel's Bow.

I suspect, due to the sheer lack of heart DC has, he'd stomp them flat.

No way they could dethrone Moon Die, but more because on Auriel's if a few DC or EP player shows up AD goes to High/Full pop within minutes and zerg then gate camp you into quitting.

Oh, I know.

But they've got all those big, elite PVP guilds on the DC side of things. Shouldn't they see that as a challenge? Shouldn't they be taking on campaigns their alliance is doing poorly in instead of hiding in the one that's mathematically locked to a victory for them?

I mean, they've got years of PVP experience and all these advanced tactics, and are so very coordinated. They don't turn down any challenges and take on every opponent and win with superior skill.

Right?

Right?

And in no way is this my secret desire to see certain people zerged flat by AB's AD.

Vokundein and Condemned went to AB and came 1 keep away from Emperor (not dethroning we did that but CLAIMING) and we took a scroll.

AD on AB is nothing to write home about. Nor are they THAT impressive. Only AD guild I've seen that is impressive is Alacrity.

Yeah. Alacrity is quite good, and a challenge every time my team has faced them.

who?

You probably wouldn't know them because they don't brag about their well balanced 6 person group killing 9 people once (aka Fixate) while they were sieging a keep. Grats on your 15 minutes of fame. I've seen the video.. Nothing to brag about.

I remember the same problem with EP attacking DC in a Aldmeri Dominion dominated auriels bow.