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  • Lord_Draevan
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    Rylana wrote: »
    It actually amuses me when some "raid leader" in voice makes the stupidest possible call ever.

    I wonder if the whole metagame in ESO is to see how many people you can get into your TS to boss around.

    My personal favorite raid lader screw-up happened a few weeks ago on NA Wabbajack for the EP:
    AD and DC capped Chalman, Arrius, BRK and Kingscrest and were siegeing Farra, our last remaining keep. DC even capped a Scroll from our Temple.
    And what's Kage saying in zone chat? "Everyone to Faregyl, need more people to take the keep." Anyone who says to go defend our home keeps or Scroll is branded a "spy", Kage says "Everyone add "X" to ignore, they're a spy" and he starts insulting them with his lackeys in zone chat.
    And guess what, we ended up losing Faregyl 10 minutes after taking it.
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  • Tintinabula
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    I will gladly admit I tested Bloodthorn first and in the first month AD ruined the campaign for me. I was initially in PvP to learn the game mechanics and tricks of PvP..not learn how to die and rezz from being killed by 100s of AD.

    I never searched for a campaign where we were dominating and almost left wabba cause the first few days i was there we had everything.

    Then things started getting interesting and fun..and as the weeks rolled by i learned and had fun.

    Theres no shame in searching for "real pvp" on another server.
    Edited by Tintinabula on June 20, 2014 7:52PM
  • Rylana
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    My personal favorite raid lader screw-up happened a few weeks ago on NA Wabbajack for the EP:
    AD and DC capped Chalman, Arrius, BRK and Kingscrest and were siegeing Farra, our last remaining keep. DC even capped a Scroll from our Temple.
    And what's Kage saying in zone chat? "Everyone to Faregyl, need more people to take the keep." Anyone who says to go defend our home keeps or Scroll is branded a "spy", Kage says "Everyone add "X" to ignore, they're a spy" and he starts insulting them with his lackeys in zone chat.
    And guess what, we ended up losing Faregyl 10 minutes after taking it.

    lol thats the exact kind of know-it-all fail that inspired the now locked thread from a month ago where my thread title said "You are not a General"

    XD

    Thats gold.
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  • nukeyoo
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    I was on Auriel's Bow from early access until the point AD was at High or Full 24/7 but EP never went above Low, which I think was a month/month and a half ago. Then I moved to Wabbajack when EP was 50k points behind DC on it and have stayed there ever since.
    So you admit to doing what you are condemning. Leaving a campaign due to too much adversity. Regardless of where you went or the adversity you would face there; you left because you were not happy on your original campaign.

    There's a saying that people shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house. hippo-feed_woosk.gifMod_Crit.gif
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  • Lord_Draevan
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    nukeyoo wrote: »
    So you admit to doing what you are condemning. Leaving a campaign due to too much adversity. Regardless of where you went or the adversity you would face there; you left because you were not happy on your original campaign.

    There's a saying that people shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house.

    There's a huge difference between the two. You're comparing apples and oranges.

    I left a campaign where there was no one playing for a campaign with lots of competition where we were 50k points behind. I went to one where we were losing.

    The DC left a campaign where all 3 factions were evenly numbered and they were slightly behind in points to go to one where their faction is pop-locked, with no competition, and several hundred k points ahead. They went to one where they're winning unopposed.

    Completely different situations. I'm condemning them for abandoning a campaign they could have won to go to one where their victory is guaranteed, which I did not do, so I have know idea what you're talking about with people living in glass houses throwing stones.
    Edited by Lord_Draevan on June 20, 2014 8:29PM
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  • nukeyoo
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    Desdemonte wrote: »

    Large influx of players? How were we able to do that when permenantly pop locked?

    Duh....
    If you had played on Wabbajack from launch then you would be privy to the knowledge that he was referring to the time before the lower population cap. The AD started out dominating this campaign; followed by DC's longer reign and them building up a large lead. Several large EP guilds jumped ship from their own campaign to Wabbajack and started giving DC a really good fight (which the guy with a dotted e was referring to).

    A post or two went up here on the official forums about how awesome and balanced Wabbajack was for EP. Regardless of DC's large lead; another influx of EP jumped ship from their unhappy campaigns to Wabbajack. Queue up EP turning the map red for a period (no vulgarity intended) of time; any semblance of balance disappeared. But having fights > spawn camping for some of us that prefer PvP over PvDoor.

    Welcome to Wabbajack! You're welcome for the history lesson.

    Edited by nukeyoo on June 20, 2014 8:37PM
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  • Lord_Draevan
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    nukeyoo wrote: »
    A post or two went up here on the official forums about how awesome and balanced Wabbajack was for EP. Regardless of DC's large lead; another influx of EP jumped ship from their unhappy campaigns to Wabbajack. Queue up EP turning the map red for a period (no vulgarity intended) of time; any semblance of balance disappeared. But having fights > spawn camping for some of us that prefer PvP over PvDoor.

    Welcome to Wabbajack! You're welcome for the history lesson.

    I'm partially to blame for that... I posted one of those first threads when Wabbajack started getting balanced and nearly every EP who had pop-locked Auriel's back when it was balanced came to Wabbajack.
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  • Agrippa_Invisus
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    There's a huge difference between the two. You're comparing apples and oranges.

    I left a campaign where there was no one playing for a campaign with lots of competition where we were 50k points behind. I went to one where we were losing.

    The DC left a campaign where all 3 factions were evenly numbered and they were slightly behind in points to go to one where their faction is pop-locked, with no competition, and several hundred k points ahead. They went to one where they're winning unopposed.

    Completely different situations. I'm condemning them for abandoning a campaign they could have won to go to one where their victory is guaranteed, which I did not do, so I have know idea what you're talking about with people living in glass houses throwing stones.

    In short, DC tucked tail and ran off to find an easy victory instead of staying and toughing it out and trying to complete their comeback.

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  • Halrloprillalar
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    Rylana wrote: »
    It actually amuses me when some "raid leader" in voice makes the stupidest possible call ever.

    I wonder if the whole metagame in ESO is to see how many people you can get into your TS to boss around.

    Good raid leaders get asked to lead.

    People who try to wrestle the leadership into their hands instead, tend to not be all that good.

    And all humans sometimes make mistakes.
  • nukeyoo
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    There's a huge difference between the two. You're comparing apples and oranges.

    I left a campaign where there was no one playing for a campaign with lots of competition where we were 50k points behind. I went to one where we were losing.

    The DC left a campaign where all 3 factions were evenly numbered and they were slightly behind in points to go to one where their faction is pop-locked, with no competition, and several hundred k points ahead. They went to one where they're winning unopposed.

    Completely different situations. I'm condemning them for abandoning a campaign they could have won to go to one where their victory is guaranteed, which I did not do, so I have know idea what you're talking about with people living in glass houses throwing stones.
    You can dress it up however you like. Apples... oranges... they're both fruit and both go bad.
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    You jumped ship because you felt you couldn't win; they jumped ship because they felt they couldn't win... Making excuses won't change the fact that they are more the same then less the same.
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  • Lowbei
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    nukeyoo wrote: »
    You can dress it up however you like. Apples... oranges... they're both fruit and both go bad.
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    You jumped ship because you felt you couldn't win; they jumped ship because they felt they couldn't win... Making excuses won't change the fact that they are more the same then less the same.

    nobody cares about "winning" a campaign when the rewards are a small amount of gold. people left to find more action elsewhere, that is all. did you expect them to wait out the 3 months on a dead campaign?
  • Tintinabula
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    For real..I wanted a fight..not to drown in a sea of yellow.
  • Lord_Draevan
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    nukeyoo wrote: »
    You jumped ship because you felt you couldn't win; they jumped ship because they felt they couldn't win... Making excuses won't change the fact that they are more the same then less the same.

    I left because there was nobody playing and went to a campaign where there were people. Again, two completely different situations.

    If I wanted to "jump ship", why did I go to another server where EP was losing? Would I not have gone to Goldbrand or Hopesfire, where we a had 50k+ lead and held the entire map for days on end? Why did I go to a server where we were pushed back to our gates every single morning?

    Your claim makes no sense.
    Edited by Lord_Draevan on June 20, 2014 9:30PM
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  • Halrloprillalar
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    Lowbei wrote: »
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    who? also, who cares?

    Isn't DAOC still around? Why not go back to it?

    P.S. AD is severely outnumbered in BT but I thoroughly enjoy thrashing other factions there from time to time, might set it to home in the next round. Both my former homes (DB, then AB... doh) were soulless dominion slaves.
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    Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on June 21, 2014 12:29AM
  • Manoekin
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    Just to add to the argument it's always called out when Fixate and Nicolle are around since you know you're going to have a good fight. I have a good memory and the only time the name Lowbei comes to mind is when we were wiping some people and there was a joke made on TS about the name. No one knows me either though and I'm kind of hoping it stays that way.
  • Lowbei
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    lol well i doubt the people you were wiping involved lowbei, unless you were a massive zerg :wink:

    and i wouldnt say that fixate and nicolle always put up a "good fight"

    the reality is that they play all day everyday and people hug on their nuts due to leaderboard rank, while they actively dodge competitive fights for fear of more videos like the last one.
    Edited by Lowbei on June 20, 2014 10:07PM
  • Halrloprillalar
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    Lowbei wrote: »

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    For real..I wanted a fight..not to drown in a sea of yellow.

    So YOU'RE the reason my home campaigns turned into ghost towns :(

    (jk)

    Hopefully a few dead campaigns get shut down during next round.

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    Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on June 21, 2014 3:10AM
  • Halrloprillalar
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    Lowbei wrote: »
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    I just assumed ZOS had a forum police.
    I never realized there was actually an option for that until just now... cool, thanks man!

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  • nukeyoo
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    Lowbei wrote: »
    nobody cares about "winning" a campaign when the rewards are a small amount of gold. people left to find more action elsewhere, that is all. did you expect them to wait out the 3 months on a dead campaign?
    Lowbei wrote: »
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    I was on Auriel's Bow from early access until the point AD was at High or Full 24/7 but EP never went above Low, which I think was a month/month and a half ago.
    For real..I wanted a fight..not to drown in a sea of yellow.
    I for one consider it a dead campaign when there is "nobody to fight"; not when there's "too many" to fight. There's plenty of things that folks that jumped ship from DC could have done differently to try and change the tide. There's also plenty of things other folks could have done before jumping ship to try and change the tide on their original home campaign. It's human nature to pick the path of least or lesser resistance.

    You fault them; I fault you, but only the ones faulting them when they themselves took the path of least or lesser resistance. <3 you all don't be mad! I'm glad you came and I'm sad some DC left.

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    Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on June 21, 2014 12:29AM
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  • Manoekin
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    Lowbei wrote: »
    lol well i doubt the people you were wiping involved lowbei, unless you were a massive zerg :wink:

    and i wouldnt say that fixate and nicolle always put up a "good fight"

    the reality is that they play all day everyday and people hug on their nuts due to leaderboard rank, while they actively dodge competitive fights for fear of more videos like the last one.

    Nah it was definitely you. They don't dodge anything either. They're pushing objectives, and when they're not they usually find us and start a fight. Every group wipes... it doesn't really mean anything when you beat another crew. Just because you wipe them doesn't mean one person in that group is bad.
  • Lowbei
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    i never said they were bad, i simply stated what happened, which involved their 9man losing to my 6man multiple times.

    and no, you definitely didnt roll my group with less than a zerg, screenshots please lol

    and yeah, when they declined followup fights (in which i said they could keep bringing 9 to fight us) they declined, which is considered dodging. if they were even semi competitive, they would have gladly accepted the rematch.

  • Lord_Draevan
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    nukeyoo wrote: »
    I for one consider it a dead campaign when there is "nobody to fight"; not when there's "too many" to fight. There's plenty of things that folks that jumped ship from DC could have done differently to try and change the tide. There's also plenty of things other folks could have done before jumping ship to try and change the tide on their original home campaign. It's human nature to pick the path of least or lesser resistance.

    You fault them; I fault you, but only the ones faulting them when they themselves took the path of least or lesser resistance. <3 you all don't be mad! I'm glad you came and I'm sad some DC left.

    So I should have stayed on a campaign where I was alone against 600 AD?

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    Yeah, that sounds like fun. If you're a masochist.
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  • nukeyoo
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    So I should have stayed on a campaign where I was alone against 600 AD?

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    Yeah, that sounds like fun. If you're a masochist.
    Sounds a bit exaggerated, but perhaps you could have tried to spread a propaganda thread recruiting EP to your cause on AB like the one that worked so well for Wabbajack or made more of an effort to organize those that were there.

    You have your excuses and they have theirs. You both chose paths of lesser resistance. Which is my point. Agree with it or don't. That is also your prerogative.

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  • Tintinabula
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    no,I chose a campaign with equal footing..a fair fight..something i should not have had to do if ZOS had appropriated servers and factions differently.
  • quakedawg_ESO
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    Not sure anyone should feel they need to justify why they play on a certain campaign. Unless of course someone else is paying your monthly bill.
    Pro Tip: Form a group of 4 and hang out with the zerg. Now you can claim you only run with 4. I'm l33t

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  • nukeyoo
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    no,I chose a campaign with equal footing..a fair fight..something i should not have had to do if ZOS had appropriated servers and factions differently.
    Unfair fight = harder or more resistance. Fair fight = less hard or less resistance. You chose fair fight which is less resistance then unfair fight. My point.
    Not sure anyone should feel they need to justify why they play on a certain campaign. Unless of course someone else is paying your monthly bill.
    Exactly.. My comments have merely been directed towards those commenting negatively towards others choosing a path of less resistance when they themselves did the same or similar.

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  • Tintinabula
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    excuse me we arent talking about a mere 10-15(more resistance) we are talking 25 ad to every 5 ep..there is no game play..there is nothing except poor game design and sploits to beat those odds..you're not that good..no one is.
  • Desdemonte
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    nukeyoo wrote: »
    If you had played on Wabbajack from launch then you would be privy to the knowledge that he was referring to the time before the lower population cap. The AD started out dominating this campaign; followed by DC's longer reign and them building up a large lead. Several large EP guilds jumped ship from their own campaign to Wabbajack and started giving DC a really good fight (which the guy with a dotted e was referring to).

    A post or two went up here on the official forums about how awesome and balanced Wabbajack was for EP. Regardless of DC's large lead; another influx of EP jumped ship from their unhappy campaigns to Wabbajack. Queue up EP turning the map red for a period (no vulgarity intended) of time; any semblance of balance disappeared. But having fights > spawn camping for some of us that prefer PvP over PvDoor.

    Welcome to Wabbajack! You're welcome for the history lesson.

    We've been here essentially from the start, as I've stated before. Maybe a week or so into the campaign. So thanks for your smartass comments.

    I thought he was referring to the last week, the way *I* read it. But whatevs.....
  • nukeyoo
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    excuse me we arent talking about a mere 10-15(more resistance) we are talking 25 ad to every 5 ep..there is no game play..there is nothing except poor game design and sploits to beat those odds..you're not that good..no one is.
    Have you even posted a comment with disparaging remarks towards DC folks that jumped ship? If not; you shouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. I don't remember reading any.

    Regardless of how much more the resistance was; you still chose lesser :p Which is my point.
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