It actually amuses me when some "raid leader" in voice makes the stupidest possible call ever.
I wonder if the whole metagame in ESO is to see how many people you can get into your TS to boss around.
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
My personal favorite raid lader screw-up happened a few weeks ago on NA Wabbajack for the EP:
AD and DC capped Chalman, Arrius, BRK and Kingscrest and were siegeing Farra, our last remaining keep. DC even capped a Scroll from our Temple.
And what's Kage saying in zone chat? "Everyone to Faregyl, need more people to take the keep." Anyone who says to go defend our home keeps or Scroll is branded a "spy", Kage says "Everyone add "X" to ignore, they're a spy" and he starts insulting them with his lackeys in zone chat.
And guess what, we ended up losing Faregyl 10 minutes after taking it.
So you admit to doing what you are condemning. Leaving a campaign due to too much adversity. Regardless of where you went or the adversity you would face there; you left because you were not happy on your original campaign.Lord_Draevan wrote: »
I was on Auriel's Bow from early access until the point AD was at High or Full 24/7 but EP never went above Low, which I think was a month/month and a half ago. Then I moved to Wabbajack when EP was 50k points behind DC on it and have stayed there ever since.
So you admit to doing what you are condemning. Leaving a campaign due to too much adversity. Regardless of where you went or the adversity you would face there; you left because you were not happy on your original campaign.
There's a saying that people shouldn't throw stones when they live in a glass house.
If you had played on Wabbajack from launch then you would be privy to the knowledge that he was referring to the time before the lower population cap. The AD started out dominating this campaign; followed by DC's longer reign and them building up a large lead. Several large EP guilds jumped ship from their own campaign to Wabbajack and started giving DC a really good fight (which the guy with a dotted e was referring to).Desdemonte wrote: »
Large influx of players? How were we able to do that when permenantly pop locked?
Duh....
A post or two went up here on the official forums about how awesome and balanced Wabbajack was for EP. Regardless of DC's large lead; another influx of EP jumped ship from their unhappy campaigns to Wabbajack. Queue up EP turning the map red for a period (no vulgarity intended) of time; any semblance of balance disappeared. But having fights > spawn camping for some of us that prefer PvP over PvDoor.
Welcome to Wabbajack! You're welcome for the history lesson.
Lord_Draevan wrote: »
There's a huge difference between the two. You're comparing apples and oranges.
I left a campaign where there was no one playing for a campaign with lots of competition where we were 50k points behind. I went to one where we were losing.
The DC left a campaign where all 3 factions were evenly numbered and they were slightly behind in points to go to one where their faction is pop-locked, with no competition, and several hundred k points ahead. They went to one where they're winning unopposed.
Completely different situations. I'm condemning them for abandoning a campaign they could have won to go to one where their victory is guaranteed, which I did not do, so I have know idea what you're talking about with people living in glass houses throwing stones.
It actually amuses me when some "raid leader" in voice makes the stupidest possible call ever.
I wonder if the whole metagame in ESO is to see how many people you can get into your TS to boss around.
You can dress it up however you like. Apples... oranges... they're both fruit and both go bad.Lord_Draevan wrote: »
There's a huge difference between the two. You're comparing apples and oranges.
I left a campaign where there was no one playing for a campaign with lots of competition where we were 50k points behind. I went to one where we were losing.
The DC left a campaign where all 3 factions were evenly numbered and they were slightly behind in points to go to one where their faction is pop-locked, with no competition, and several hundred k points ahead. They went to one where they're winning unopposed.
Completely different situations. I'm condemning them for abandoning a campaign they could have won to go to one where their victory is guaranteed, which I did not do, so I have know idea what you're talking about with people living in glass houses throwing stones.
You can dress it up however you like. Apples... oranges... they're both fruit and both go bad.
You jumped ship because you felt you couldn't win; they jumped ship because they felt they couldn't win... Making excuses won't change the fact that they are more the same then less the same.
You jumped ship because you felt you couldn't win; they jumped ship because they felt they couldn't win... Making excuses won't change the fact that they are more the same then less the same.
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Tintinabula wrote: »For real..I wanted a fight..not to drown in a sea of yellow.
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nobody cares about "winning" a campaign when the rewards are a small amount of gold. people left to find more action elsewhere, that is all. did you expect them to wait out the 3 months on a dead campaign?
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Lord_Draevan wrote: »I was on Auriel's Bow from early access until the point AD was at High or Full 24/7 but EP never went above Low, which I think was a month/month and a half ago.
I for one consider it a dead campaign when there is "nobody to fight"; not when there's "too many" to fight. There's plenty of things that folks that jumped ship from DC could have done differently to try and change the tide. There's also plenty of things other folks could have done before jumping ship to try and change the tide on their original home campaign. It's human nature to pick the path of least or lesser resistance.Tintinabula wrote: »For real..I wanted a fight..not to drown in a sea of yellow.
lol well i doubt the people you were wiping involved lowbei, unless you were a massive zerg
and i wouldnt say that fixate and nicolle always put up a "good fight"
the reality is that they play all day everyday and people hug on their nuts due to leaderboard rank, while they actively dodge competitive fights for fear of more videos like the last one.
I for one consider it a dead campaign when there is "nobody to fight"; not when there's "too many" to fight. There's plenty of things that folks that jumped ship from DC could have done differently to try and change the tide. There's also plenty of things other folks could have done before jumping ship to try and change the tide on their original home campaign. It's human nature to pick the path of least or lesser resistance.
You fault them; I fault you, but only the ones faulting them when they themselves took the path of least or lesser resistance.you all don't be mad! I'm glad you came and I'm sad some DC left.
Sounds a bit exaggerated, but perhaps you could have tried to spread a propaganda thread recruiting EP to your cause on AB like the one that worked so well for Wabbajack or made more of an effort to organize those that were there.Lord_Draevan wrote: »
So I should have stayed on a campaign where I was alone against 600 AD?
Yeah, that sounds like fun. If you're a masochist.
Unfair fight = harder or more resistance. Fair fight = less hard or less resistance. You chose fair fight which is less resistance then unfair fight. My point.Tintinabula wrote: »no,I chose a campaign with equal footing..a fair fight..something i should not have had to do if ZOS had appropriated servers and factions differently.
Exactly.. My comments have merely been directed towards those commenting negatively towards others choosing a path of less resistance when they themselves did the same or similar.quakedawg_ESO wrote: »Not sure anyone should feel they need to justify why they play on a certain campaign. Unless of course someone else is paying your monthly bill.
If you had played on Wabbajack from launch then you would be privy to the knowledge that he was referring to the time before the lower population cap. The AD started out dominating this campaign; followed by DC's longer reign and them building up a large lead. Several large EP guilds jumped ship from their own campaign to Wabbajack and started giving DC a really good fight (which the guy with a dotted e was referring to).
A post or two went up here on the official forums about how awesome and balanced Wabbajack was for EP. Regardless of DC's large lead; another influx of EP jumped ship from their unhappy campaigns to Wabbajack. Queue up EP turning the map red for a period (no vulgarity intended) of time; any semblance of balance disappeared. But having fights > spawn camping for some of us that prefer PvP over PvDoor.
Welcome to Wabbajack! You're welcome for the history lesson.
Have you even posted a comment with disparaging remarks towards DC folks that jumped ship? If not; you shouldn't feel the need to defend yourself. I don't remember reading any.Tintinabula wrote: »excuse me we arent talking about a mere 10-15(more resistance) we are talking 25 ad to every 5 ep..there is no game play..there is nothing except poor game design and sploits to beat those odds..you're not that good..no one is.