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Do we get stronger with veteran levels at all?
xanikk999
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I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
Edited by xanikk999 on June 19, 2014 12:03AM I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭You do get a bump to all three attributes with each VR, but no, you don't get a skill point or an additional point to spend in attributes.
However, those weren't the things that made you powerful as you level. What makes you more powerful is the better gear/enchantments you can have.----
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭you get +10 magicka/stamina and +15 health for each vr. you get skill points from some quests.1 -
niocwy✭✭✭If I'm not mistaken you also raise your softcaps with each VR rank gainedLook at my profile picture. Visualize that muffin...smelling it...taking a bite...
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ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
The gear is basically where your power will be coming from in Veteran Ranks.
In fact, the gear is basically where your power comes from for the whole game.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
The gear is basically where your power will be coming from in Veteran Ranks.
In fact, the gear is basically where your power comes from for the whole game.
apparently increased armour doesn't mean much, and increase weapon damage only works for melee, spell damage will not be increased with VR.0 -
PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You get 10 points for each stat and 10 skill points for doing most stuff in a zone also your soft cap increases from what i have seen.
it is funny how everybody complains that you don't get strong enough in VR after whining that they were pwned too much by VRs in pvp.Edited by PBpsy on June 19, 2014 12:12AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)2 -
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✭Yes, you are correct softcaps increase.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...1 -
Mystborn✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
The gear is basically where your power will be coming from in Veteran Ranks.
In fact, the gear is basically where your power comes from for the whole game.
apparently increased armour doesn't mean much, and increase weapon damage only works for melee, spell damage will not be increased with VR.
Increase Weapon Damage isn't just melee, it also affects damage/healing from Bow, Destruction Staff, and Restoration Staff.
You also get +1 Spell Damage per VR.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
The gear is basically where your power will be coming from in Veteran Ranks.
In fact, the gear is basically where your power comes from for the whole game.
apparently increased armour doesn't mean much, and increase weapon damage only works for melee, spell damage will not be increased with VR.
Increase Weapon Damage isn't just melee, it also affects damage/healing from Bow, Destruction Staff, and Restoration Staff.
You also get +1 Spell Damage per VR.
right, the weapon damage of staff too, but not abilities of staff skill lines.
do I get +1 spell damage for each vr? I am V7 has spell damage of 93, which include +8 damage from the necklace. So its 85 w/o necklace.
so how do ppl actually get to 130 spell damage?
Edited by crislevin on June 19, 2014 12:52AM0 -
Erock25✭✭✭✭✭
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right, the weapon damage of staff too, but not abilities of staff skill lines.
Weapon dmg affects staff abilities as well. For instance, putting on weapon dmg rings increases my crushing shock dmg with destro staff.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Jimm_ay✭✭✭the gear (gold) at higher levels is very very nice - mundus stone bonuses at 7.5% per piece...20% dmg and healing bonuses...0
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Mystborn✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
The gear is basically where your power will be coming from in Veteran Ranks.
In fact, the gear is basically where your power comes from for the whole game.
apparently increased armour doesn't mean much, and increase weapon damage only works for melee, spell damage will not be increased with VR.
Increase Weapon Damage isn't just melee, it also affects damage/healing from Bow, Destruction Staff, and Restoration Staff.
You also get +1 Spell Damage per VR.
right, the weapon damage of staff too, but not abilities of staff skill lines.
do I get +1 spell damage for each vr? I am V7 has spell damage of 93, which include +8 damage from the necklace. So its 85 w/o necklace.
so how do ppl actually get to 130 spell damage?
Yes, Weapon Damage does increase the damage/healing of staff abilities.
Yes you get +1 Spell Damage for each VR. You have 80 SD at 50/VR1. I have 95 Spell Damage, 4 from AvA buffs, 91 base.
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Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »I noticed when I just reached veteran rank 2 aside from the golden saint costume I was awarded I got zilch. I got no skill point and no attribute point to use. To my understanding the enemies are going to get much stronger but we don't get any stronger with veteran ranks apparently, why?
I know we get access to better gear but why do the levels not increase our stats at all? Do we get any base stamina/health/magicka increase at all?
It's not rewarding to grind levels if I don't get any stronger from it IMO.
The gear is basically where your power will be coming from in Veteran Ranks.
In fact, the gear is basically where your power comes from for the whole game.
apparently increased armour doesn't mean much, and increase weapon damage only works for melee, spell damage will not be increased with VR.
Increase Weapon Damage isn't just melee, it also affects damage/healing from Bow, Destruction Staff, and Restoration Staff.
You also get +1 Spell Damage per VR.
right, the weapon damage of staff too, but not abilities of staff skill lines.
do I get +1 spell damage for each vr? I am V7 has spell damage of 93, which include +8 damage from the necklace. So its 85 w/o necklace.
so how do ppl actually get to 130 spell damage?
The monumental magical harm glyph provides you 13 spell damage. You can add three of these to your rings and necklace. My base was 95 (4 from Cyro bonus), so add 39 spell damage and you get 134.
Spell damage really has a noticeable affect too. I started at 95 and my funnel healths would usually crit around 600 unbuffed. I added 13 spell damage and I regularly crit for around 700 now. Totally worth it.Edited by Worstluck on June 19, 2014 4:35AMWorstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
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Ninnghizhidda✭✭✭✭Taking into account the exponential increase in power / difficulty of virtually any VR mobs (funny enough a lot more for "trash" than elite / boss mobs), methinks you are actually growing weaker.
Even if we assume we have access to better gear (which is not all that very much better really).0 -
If we're talking about the only part of the game that actually mean something and make it worth playing aka Cyrodiil, then yes you do get to feel considerably stronger with veteran levels because the mob strength is fixed (ie VR5). A VR12 in epic gear will kill such mobs easily while a level 15 just learning how to weapon swap will probably have some difficulties even if he is scaled up.0
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VR1 and VR12 has a very significant difference in terms of max health/magicka/stam0 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭You get 10 points for each stat and 10 skill points for doing most stuff in a zone also your soft cap increases from what i have seen.
it is funny how everybody complains that you don't get strong enough in VR after whining that they were pwned too much by VRs in pvp.
Funnier still if you could demonstrate it with quotes from people in this thread otherwise it's just throwing mud.0 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »VR1 and VR12 has a very significant difference in terms of max health/magicka/stam
Not really 120 points from a soft capped pool of well over 2000 isn't what I would call significant
Edited by Hilgara on June 19, 2014 6:31AM0 -
Lovely✭✭✭Basically, through gear. Because, you know, this is not a gear-based progression game this is 'horizontal growth'...0 -
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✭cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »VR1 and VR12 has a very significant difference in terms of max health/magicka/stam
Standing with no gear that's not a correct statement. The only main reason is due to the superior Glyphs at VR12 vs VR1. Base stat difference is 110 Magicka/Stamina and 165 health (VR2-VR12 = 11 increases). That is no where near what I'd call significant. There's no ability that I'm aware of even at VR1 that you can use costing at or less than 110 Mag/Stam meaning even a VR12 can't cast a single ability more than a VR1 can.
Granted it's more likely than not that VR12's will be in at least full Epic gear and maybe a few Legendaries, while a VR1 will more than likely to be in full blues or even less. That's more the difference than the actual Rank increases are. ESO level cap and it's Veteran Ranks are a lateral growth not vertical one. It's kind of like twinking, you search for days/weeks to get a single piece of gear that gives you +1 stat better than you had. The issue with this in ESO is that VR zones are wildly variable in difficulty when the players are only getting that teeny tiny bit better each Rank.1 -
bugulu✭✭✭You do get stronger but not always in the obvious way.
AS a veteran rank player, you will have access to additional skill points from quest completion and skyshard hunting. As already noted, your softcap will also increase for each vet level. Add in the fact that your gear is better for each vet level as well.
This combination is what makes veteran players deadly to non-veterans in Cyrodiil.0 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭This combination is what makes veteran players deadly to non-veterans in Cyrodiil.
It'll be interesting to see the complaints FROM Veterans after the PvP change about how Cyro is too hard because they have to actually fight other, well geared Vets instead of poorly geared, low SP, low level players
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