What The Heck Is Going On With This Game After Reaching Vet 1?

RatsnevE · June 2014

I reached V1 while finishing up Coldharbour and several unsuccessful attempt to kill Molag Bal--not a problem--not! But another story...

I finished all the battles in preparation for Molag Bal and have spent the day finishing up a couple grand quests in Reaper's March AFTER already reaching 'Vet-1'.

1. I'm gaining no XP after 'countless' NPC and quest mini-boss battles in Coldharbour and Reaper's March after reaching Vet 1?

2. My 'Ultimate' skill is not recharging, or if it is it is going so incredibly slow that its recharge cannot be measured with any meaning--like ~ 7% with no use after 5 hours of quests and battles?

3. I have received a skill points either for finishing up Moonmont, Dune, and/or the last Skyshard--that's good.

Please explain what is going on. Is there no more experience to be gained when going back into the AD realms after Vet?

Should I somehow manage to have the patience and finger-licking reflexes to get through the forced solo battle with Molag Bal what would be preferable for the laid back casual solo self-find NB I play...?

A. Take her into a new alliance realm as a Veteran?

-or-

B. Start a new laid back casual solo self-find NB character in one of the new alliance realms? <--Gut feeling says take this option.

Bear in mind in either case I am not looking forward to the forced solo boss battles or for constant need to group in PvE where I otherwise would rather go solo whenever possible--excluding the not-fun bosses. I am not interested in PvP either.

Thanks for the help. My inclination again is to start a new NB in one of the remaining alliance realms. I would like to finish more unfinished dungeons though in AD but that will be a drag if there is nothing to gain from it.

SeltzerDuke · June 2014

Yep, you've got to defeat Molag Bal to keep progressing. It's called the main story for a reason.

You don't necessarily have to explore the other alliance realms once you do so (although the only way to reach them is through the defeat of Molag Bal), since you can continue to earn vet points through group dungeons, PvP, even Craglorn, but further exploration is really the main deal. I should mention if PvP has no allure for you, Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

RatsnevE · June 2014

Heh... I love it. Thanks.

Can you tell PvP PCs from NPCs? Is there a good clean way to escape an unwanted PvP encounter besides dying? I'm pretty sure in GW2 you could see red dots in the mini map and it was easy enough to avoid most always. Not sure now how that worked though because if I could see them they could see me too. Oh, well, not there yet and maybe several months from it.

I'm pretty sure you can reach the other unexplored alliance regions by starting a new character--and maybe developing a better character without respec'ing?

Sapphy24 · June 2014

Oh, now I feel really bad. So what you're saying is you die a lot more often, the solo bosses are harder than ever and you can't group to do them and you have to struggle and struggle to get your Vet levels.
I think I find another game cause i'm just not going to do that.. or simply rvr..sorry pvp my way through. I hate with a vengeance things being so hard as to not be enjoyable.
I feel sorry for you and me but I don't know any answers with this game, its soo frustrating.

RatsnevE · June 2014

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

I should mention if PvP has no allure for you, Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

Ummm... I'm glad I'm having this conversation now... If Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and skyshards why is there concern meeting up with PvP? Or is Cyrodiil more like what GW2 called PvW where to two could co-exist sort of if you leave each other alone? What happens in a town or when getting a quest and you are solo. Couldn't there be PvP waiting around the corner to ambush the poor solo sod?

RatsnevE · June 2014

I wonder if there is a / command for wailing where the character goes off running, waving their arms frantically, and crying out loud? I know about /cry but that's not good enough for a PKing. Maybe /dance would suffice until you succumb?

Can you quit and escape a PvP encounter? It seems like if there is a 10 second countdown before quitting that when you restart you might very well find yourself dead?

Trracer · June 2014

Oh ffs, just go kill Molag Bal. It's probably the easiest boss in the game.

Iago · June 2014

Trracer wrote: »

Oh ffs, just go kill Molag Bal. It's probably the easiest boss in the game.

I think he was the easiest boss I killed him first try and didn't use one health potion.

Nox_Aeterna · June 2014

To get further you will need indeed to kill molag bal , well , you could go to pvp and keep getting vet ranks or you could also ask for someone that is in craglorn to invite you then farm something there for exp.

It is up to you , i would not create and lvl a char in any other faction myself , since the vr content is mostly turned to you doing exactly the other factions quests , but that is me.

Qumulous · June 2014

Molag Bal is scripted so you can win. pay attention to mechanics. Seen a level 45 in a vr1 zone.

Jermu73 · June 2014

You can win Molag Bal trust me. Keep your distance and hit him light bow/staff attacks and keep running away from him. When he jumps towards to you just run that way where he jumps. Take healing potions with you and quick slot them. It takes a little time but you can win him. If you have problem with titans just stand there with your block up, nothing else and they are dead in couple of seconds.

Hope you understand my poor scool english.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

Which makes it totally worthless for those of us that don't want to have to deal with PVP jerks ganking those who aren't geared and have no desire to engage in pointless PVP.

RatsnevE wrote: »

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

I should mention if PvP has no allure for you, Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

Ummm... I'm glad I'm having this conversation now... If Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and skyshards why is there concern meeting up with PvP? Or is Cyrodiil more like what GW2 called PvW where to two could co-exist sort of if you leave each other alone? What happens in a town or when getting a quest and you are solo. Couldn't there be PvP waiting around the corner to ambush the poor solo sod?

You can't avoid it and the PVP jerks know it.

And yes, your last comment is accurate. It's like GW2 when you want to get the Been There, Done That exploration title you have to do all the jumping puzzles, POIs etc. in the PVP zones. In those you'll get groups of PVP jerks griefing those who don't want to PVP but are forced to go there by the game if they're to obtain what they're after.

Same thing happens in Cyrodil several friends have told me, corpse camping is also a 'fun' event at times it seems.

I'm not going to even look as it would simply infuriate me to the point of quitting.

Sunrock · June 2014

RatsnevE wrote: »

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

I should mention if PvP has no allure for you, Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

Ummm... I'm glad I'm having this conversation now... If Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and skyshards why is there concern meeting up with PvP? Or is Cyrodiil more like what GW2 called PvW where to two could co-exist sort of if you leave each other alone? What happens in a town or when getting a quest and you are solo. Couldn't there be PvP waiting around the corner to ambush the poor solo sod?

@RatsnevE I never played GW2 before but I know its something similar.

Yes. Every where in Cyrodiil you can get jumped by a player from an other faction. Only safe zone in there is where you port into the zone. However if you want the "Tamriel Hero" tittle you need to complete all the quests in the 5 different quest towns in Cyrodiil, You also need to do explore all the dungeons in there to get the "explorer" tittle.

But if you're not that interested in PvP there are campaigns that are less populated then others. The Special Event campaign is almost always deserted so that one is good for just solo PvE in. Or maybe less now when I revealed that information here.

PS: PvP is not that dangerus though... Some players are easier to kill then mudcrabs.

Corew · June 2014

There's no reason to not kill Molag, I had a harder time running up to him then actually killing him and I'm a resto/bow NB. It's an endurance fight, just keep on the move and chip away at him. I started Stonefalls VR1 at lvl 47.

Onin · June 2014

Just spam Strife (and nothing else) and the self heal will get you up to 100% health every time you cast it. Only thing you need

Lunerdog · June 2014

Map your favourite abilities to you spare mouse buttons, keep your fingers on the WASD to stay mobile, old Molag Nuts turns quite slowly so its easy to stay behind him and avoid the majority of his attacks, dodge as soon as he jumps though.

Ashtaris · June 2014

Molag was a wuss compared to Manimarco and the Lyris Doppelganger

So go ahead and give it a shot, I think you will be surprised. I also feel as though I'm up against a decision on what to do next after reaching VR1 and defeating Molag. I have no desire to do PvP, Craglorn is not open for solo playing (andi it should be). So what new content do I have other than starting the quests in the other covenant/pact areas? I would love to explore Cyrodiil, but don't want to worry about being ganked by a bunch of blood thirsty PvP players

Anyway, I'll give it a try in one of the low populated campaigns and see how long I can survive.

Nebthet78 · June 2014

As others have noted, MB isn't all that bad to defeat. Like a few others, I had a much harder time running up to him, than I did actually defeating him and I am a NB as well. Just keep your distance and chip away at him. Use restorative abilities if you need to.

I found him much easier to defeat than the Lyris Doppleganger and Manimarco as well. Once you hit Vet zones though, you are most likely going to have to rethink on how you attack things. Especially if you PVE solo.

ThisOnePosts · June 2014

OP, if you need any help send me an inbox msg with your in-game @ and I'll help you when I'm on. I'll be more than happy to help with some pointers and also Cyrodiil questing since now I'm mostly crafting and working on alts given my main is maxed out and I have every title I want right now. I did my questing in a populated campaign because I like running into the enemy faction sometimes, but there are fairly desolate campaigns that you could use if you prefer not having to fight others.

I did the entire game solo as a NB, all the way up until VR12 (obviously other than group dungeons). So it's possible, but you mentioned casual several times and ... casual and Nightblade don't mix so well unless you want to sneak passed everything. You really have to be on your toes at all times as a nightblade, however it's rewarding when you do.

But I can help you customize your NB with abilities to get you passed Molag Bal. Once you are in the Vet zones.... you'll be able to group up for many things I believe. I know there's always zergs going about for Dolmens, etc.. although not really good to go about solo dungeons with zergs (in my opinion) since most will probably want to skip on hearing out any stories or reading materials that may be in there.

RatsnevE · June 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

You can't avoid it and the PVP jerks know it.

And yes, your last comment is accurate. It's like GW2 when you want to get the Been There, Done That exploration title you have to do all the jumping puzzles, POIs etc. in the PVP zones. In those you'll get groups of PVP jerks griefing those who don't want to PVP but are forced to go there by the game if they're to obtain what they're after.

Same thing happens in Cyrodil several friends have told me, corpse camping is also a 'fun' event at times it seems.

I'm not going to even look as it would simply infuriate me to the point of quitting.

Still, when I played GW2 it was a much better game to manage overall beyond what we are discussing here.

So, I'm currently stuck respec'ing my "classic" NB build in order someday to face off Molag Bal again and do it right per his scripting. I'm also dead in the water with ~ 8 private dungeons remaining in the AD because even when I can and should group there is no organization to it. For all I remember at this point we had 3 NBs and 1 Templar and the group all died numerous times with no tactics solution or adequate discussion on any of it--the joy I'm sure of finding a tight-knit group of 4 gamers that practically live with each other even when they aren't gaming.

My intention at this point if I still don't get any refund for all my lost gaming time is to start a new NB because I love the sneaking/assassin/DPS that class offers--at least when you get outside the ridiculous confines of the forced solo boss battles. I'll start her in one of the other alliances and play all the great PvE stuff there hopefully building up a different bastardized NB that will be no match against Manny or Molag. Lastly I'll decide to play some Veteran in the 3rd alliance area (assuming I get a choice) try anything in the PvE realm of Cyrodiil or quit right there having finished the main story to a fitting ending twice with so much great questing and adventure well worth $60 at that point.

Columba · June 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

Which makes it totally worthless for those of us that don't want to have to deal with PVP jerks ganking those who aren't geared and have no desire to engage in pointless PVP.

RatsnevE wrote: »

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

I should mention if PvP has no allure for you, Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and dozens (literally) of skyshards. You just have to be alert for inadvertent contact with enemy players as you go about these, heh.

Ummm... I'm glad I'm having this conversation now... If Cyrodiil itself is a huge PvE zone with questing, dungeons, and skyshards why is there concern meeting up with PvP? Or is Cyrodiil more like what GW2 called PvW where to two could co-exist sort of if you leave each other alone? What happens in a town or when getting a quest and you are solo. Couldn't there be PvP waiting around the corner to ambush the poor solo sod?

You can't avoid it and the PVP jerks know it.

And yes, your last comment is accurate. It's like GW2 when you want to get the Been There, Done That exploration title you have to do all the jumping puzzles, POIs etc. in the PVP zones. In those you'll get groups of PVP jerks griefing those who don't want to PVP but are forced to go there by the game if they're to obtain what they're after.

Same thing happens in Cyrodil several friends have told me, corpse camping is also a 'fun' event at times it seems.

I'm not going to even look as it would simply infuriate me to the point of quitting.

The maps are Huge in pvp. It's quite easy to avoid pvp if you play intelligently.