Templar class problems summarized by VR12 Templar

NerfEverything · June 2014

Templars have been broken since beta and devs keep ignoring them. Stamina builds are broken too but no acknowledgement of that.

I think all the devs are playing Wildstar instead of fixing their own game.

SilverWF · June 2014

Just will leave this here:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/110503/sorcerer-have-1500-dps-seriously

Thechemicals · June 2014

Ill download fraps or something tonight and show you Templar single target dps above 700.

fethry8oeb17_ESO wrote: »

have anyone notice vampires bane + prism not giving ult?
channeled focus does or doesn't give magicka as intended?

Ive noticed prism not always giving ultimate yes.

Skwor · June 2014

Long time lurker, long time gamer and I typically do not post but the Templar issue has forced me to speak up.

The Templar needs looked into, ever since the mana regen nerf in beta the Templar has been completely outmatched in PVE and PVP by the other classes.

Either some mana regen utility needs put back into the class or an increase of the mana pool / reduction of class spell costs needs to occur.

I am not trying to trivialize anyone's expertise it is just that these options are clearly obvious to anyone who plays the class even before VR status is reached. Why has there been a total communication blackout from the company on this issue?

Three things have occurred which totally baffle me as to how a major professional software company can be guilty of in our society.

1. The Templar class had a HUGE class change occur were mana regen utility was removed and NOTHING was done to compensate, this change back in beta was immensely significant but no balancing to any of the affected class spells occurred, this alone was an egregious oversight.
2. The numerous posts about the Templar issue have gone completely unanswered nothing, no acknowledged or even a statement telling us the class is where the development team expects it to be. A complete communication failure in the information age.
3. Out of touch with your customer. With all of the issues raised and pleas made about doing something for the Templar class several developers posted a video of themselves doing end game content and actually made a point of doing it WITHOUT a Templar, I honestly do not know how a company could be anymore tone-deaf that that to their customers.

Please tell us something about the Templar class. I actually want to keep playing this game but if you continue to have such a willful blind-spot to so many consumers crying out for information and continue ignore them I can have no faith you should be trusted in any element of this MMO. MMO's survive on community relations as much as a quality game, you are definitely failing in one area.

rudimentxb14_ESO · June 2014

If you think that the templar healing abilities are useless you are playing the class completely wrong

tplink3r1 · June 2014

ARtChi wrote: »

Channeled focus should have been fix in patch before last one. I didn't make any test on the value of the spell, but I always used it. A must have in my PvE Healing cycle in my opinion

it is regenerating 20 magicka per second(tested), still very low AND you have to stay camped for 18 seconds in a very small are if you want to get 100% of its bonus.

Thechemicals · June 2014

tplink3r1 wrote: »

ARtChi wrote: »

Channeled focus should have been fix in patch before last one. I didn't make any test on the value of the spell, but I always used it. A must have in my PvE Healing cycle in my opinion

it is regenerating 20 magicka per second(tested), still very low AND you have to stay camped for 18 seconds in a very small are if you want to get 100% of its bonus.

Are you certain of that? I believe only the spell/armor bonus is lost when you leave the rune focus.

tplink3r1 · June 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

ARtChi wrote: »

Channeled focus should have been fix in patch before last one. I didn't make any test on the value of the spell, but I always used it. A must have in my PvE Healing cycle in my opinion

it is regenerating 20 magicka per second(tested), still very low AND you have to stay camped for 18 seconds in a very small are if you want to get 100% of its bonus.

Are you certain of that? I believe only the spell/armor bonus is lost when you leave the rune focus.

Yes, i tested it with an addon and with Blazing Shield(stops magicka from regenerating).

Thechemicals · June 2014

Templar has no problems. Give them Magicka resource like Nb;s Siphoning and they will be overpowered. Basically, youll have a Templar class that can spam heals without running out of magicka or having to tap into the resto tree. itll be 1h/shield and heal spam ftw. Just look at the mechanics/design.....their is a very obvious reason they arent just giving you good magicka return templar skills.

[Moderator Edit: Removed quote from moderated post.]

ARtChi · June 2014

tplink3r1 wrote: »

ARtChi wrote: »

Channeled focus should have been fix in patch before last one. I didn't make any test on the value of the spell, but I always used it. A must have in my PvE Healing cycle in my opinion

it is regenerating 20 magicka per second(tested), still very low AND you have to stay camped for 18 seconds in a very small are if you want to get 100% of its bonus.

Still this skill is very good, the resist provided by the zone is so huge you can basically stay in it most of the time taking very low damage. I personnaly used it quite sucessfully in trials.
You cannot complain about templar lack of mana regen and not using the only skill usefull to help it...

Phantorang · June 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Ill download fraps or something tonight and show you Templar single target dps above 700.

fethry8oeb17_ESO wrote: »

have anyone notice vampires bane + prism not giving ult?
channeled focus does or doesn't give magicka as intended?

Ive noticed prism not always giving ultimate yes.

We are still waiting for you to show us...

Thechemicals · June 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Ill download fraps or something tonight and show you Templar single target dps above 700.

fethry8oeb17_ESO wrote: »

have anyone notice vampires bane + prism not giving ult?
channeled focus does or doesn't give magicka as intended?

Ive noticed prism not always giving ultimate yes.

We are still waiting for you to show us...

Forget...when i remembered... i lost interest. Its on my list of things to do but not priority.

msawwan2ub17_ESO · June 2014

I am sorry, there is no way you can get 700 dps on a templar on a fight longer than 2 mins lets say. you know what, get it on a 1 min fight and i'll be happy .. lol

yes you can get a spike for 2k dps all at once, but thats very extreme case of having an undead mob and you have camfolag hunter that proc crit out of hide combined with a heavy attack proc out of hide and 1 skill to cancel that animation. you can get 2k+ in that 1 second sure. but consistant 700dps? i dont see it. lol

Lynx7386 · June 2014

And yes, I've never seen sorcerers-BOTs - it Templars always

Come play on bloodthorn and auriel's bow sometime. Just last night on auriel's bow we encountered the infamous horde of sorc-botters (not the same kind of bots you find in pve, but a multiboxer that runs his own character with a dozen linked sorceror bots following). That guy literally goes around taking out zergs by himself.

SilverWF · June 2014

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLAsxpuyAw

seems like he didn't know about YOURS problems, guys...

Mortosk · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Osheal wrote: »

Everyone knows clearing AA right now involves joining an elite guild running mostly DKs/Sorcs through the trials.

Bullsh*t!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdPhuHWLbWQ

2 NB, 1 DK, 2 Sorc, 7 Templars (3 as healers)

That's a lot of sticks and dresses right there. It's impressive.

SilverWF · June 2014

Mortosk wrote: »

That's a lot of sticks and dresses right there. It's impressive.

"Make teh Stamina damn overpowered" thread in the another place.

Soothy · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLAsxpuyAw

seems like he didn't know about YOURS problems, guys...

I've watched a few of his videos now.

Posting this doesn't really help players here unless they watched this video before rolling a Templar. I doubt the players complaining about their class in this thread are complaining about their alt Templars.

He uses class skills from all three classes, so even if you respec to create his build, if you haven't levelled up all three classes for Templar to low 30's to 40's levels, you're not going to be able to select some of his build skills.

I'll give his build a go, even if it means I'll have to grind up some levels in Dawn's Wrath but it's not an ideal solution for everyone.

SilverWF · June 2014

Soothy wrote: »

He uses class skills from all three classes, so even if you respec to create his build, if you haven't levelled up all three classes for Templar to low 30's to 40's levels, you're not going to be able to select some of his build skills.

I'll give his build a go, even if it means I'll have to grind up some levels in Dawn's Wrath but it's not an ideal solution for everyone.

He what? Or you mean class skills trees?
Sure, everyone must maximize his character BEFORE complaining!

NerfEverything · June 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Ill download fraps or something tonight and show you Templar single target dps above 700.

fethry8oeb17_ESO wrote: »

have anyone notice vampires bane + prism not giving ult?
channeled focus does or doesn't give magicka as intended?

Ive noticed prism not always giving ultimate yes.

We are still waiting for you to show us...

Forget...when i remembered... i lost interest. Its on my list of things to do but not priority.

Still waiting on this...

Oh wait, did you try and realize that 700 dps is impossible? Yeah, so did all the other VR12 templars.

SilverWF · June 2014

Oh God, that poor gimped Templars, QQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fntxpFvVX6Y

Really hate to understand what I'm bumping this thread up now...

NerfEverything · June 2014

I know right. Templars can only do dolomens 2 levels below them while DKs/Sorcs/NBs are soloing 12 man trials and group dungeons.

If you were serious...then I don't even know where to begin.

SilverWF · June 2014

NerfEverything wrote: »

I know right. Templars can only do dolomens 2 levels below them while DKs/Sorcs/NBs are soloing 12 man trials and group dungeons.

only 1 level below and cool story about soloing Trials.

Ashchild · June 2014

Can you explain to a Templar-in-learning why you use Illustrious Healing?

I thought the advantage of a Templar is you only really need your burst heal: Breath of Life.

That gives room to then stack stack hots - taking Regeneration (you won't need Mutagen thanks to your innate burst heal), which is a very powerful HOT boosted even more by the +30% spellpower buff provided by extended ritual - which adds anothers little HOT.

Then take Syphon for even more HOT-goodness.

NerfEverything · June 2014

Ashchild wrote: »

Can you explain to a Templar-in-learning why you use Illustrious Healing?

I thought the advantage of a Templar is you only really need your burst heal: Breath of Life.

That gives room to then stack stack hots - taking Regeneration (you won't need Mutagen thanks to your innate burst heal), which is a very powerful HOT boosted even more by the +30% spellpower buff, and mini-HOT that is extended ritual.

Then take Syphon for even more HOT-goodness.

I hope you aren't asking the guy who posted the video. He just did a google search and this was the only thing he could find to troll with. Looking through his comment history, it is clear that he is having a hard time with this game.

As someone who actually plays a templar, the problem with Breath of Life is that it uses a lot of magika. Templar has NO resource management, so running out of magika is pretty much death. It is a good "oh crap" heal, but healing springs is much better in the long term. Since the guy in this video is soloing, illustrious healing is a better choice since he is only healing himself (doesn't get the magika return for casting healing springs since there are no allies).

The 30% (if you are talking about the focused healing passive) does not work on resto staff abilities, and it is actually currently bugged and not working for a couple templar abilities.

Fuxo · June 2014

That video is about a vampire, not a templar. He also used quick siphon exploit and actually uses vampire ultimate to do the job. Most skills are there just to generate a lot of ultimate points.

SilverWF · June 2014

so why not use all game possibilities?

Soothy · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Soothy wrote: »

He uses class skills from all three classes, so even if you respec to create his build, if you haven't levelled up all three classes for Templar to low 30's to 40's levels, you're not going to be able to select some of his build skills.

I'll give his build a go, even if it means I'll have to grind up some levels in Dawn's Wrath but it's not an ideal solution for everyone.

He what? Or you mean class skills trees?
Sure, everyone must maximize his character BEFORE complaining!

So basically you're a troll then.

SilverWF · June 2014

Soothy wrote: »

So basically you're a troll then.

Yeah, sure, to NOT be a troll I need to stick to ONE class skills tree and moan around what I can't do everything with only one class skills tree. OK.

Ashchild · June 2014

The 30% spellpower bonus doesn't work for restro staff?

And all this time I kept throwing down extended ritual to buff my staff's regeneration for the group. i guess it's time I actually get an add-on that shows some real numbers.