davidetombab16_ESO wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

we nightblades are the weakest damage dealers and the easiest to be killed. our only escape from absolute DEATH is our invisibility! and you want that to be taken away from us? i think not!

Go to bed...you're drunk!

if he is drunk you are an idiot

Troll harder please. I just don't feel like you're putting in enough time and effort.

I did not read this entire post since I am at work but I will say this as a current NB. One I get seen in stealth all the time and magelight allows the user to see me even when using my stealth (not the hidden everyone can do) which is already BS in my opinion. On top of that there are potions that grant stealth that last longer than any my class can dream of. So basically you can drink a potion that is better than my class defining ability but you want to nerf it, I say no thank you.

This is not the same as BE, BE was able to be spammed to get away from a army due to its speed and the distance you could get. I can cloak over and over a few times but I am moving at a snails pace and if you have magelight going it is not doing me any good anyway. Just my 2 cents since as a NB we have enough problems without some idiots that do not play the class telling us what is wrong with it.

Rylana wrote: »

It is really quite simple.

We, uh, kill the magelightman.

If it's so simple, why havn't you done it already?!

Huckdabuck wrote: »

And just so everyone knows and sees it very plain and simply...I'm against nerfs that are PvP QQ induced...I'm just finding it really funny that most people who are here were the same ones a few weeks ago telling the sorcs that they were OP and are now using the same reasons sorcs had for NOT being OP to try and defend themselves while still deflecting the argument and stating the BE was OP. Hypocrites much? Or just straight up baddies who want that ever elusive edge in PvP? Either way this will not turn out to be pleasant for anyone since ZOS already starting swinging that nerf bat for the fences due to QQ.

It's not the same argument because the abilities are not the same at all. BE took you completely out of harm's way instantly and could not feasibly be countered. There was no "stop BE from working potion" or anything like that.

With Shadow Cloak, you are still very much in harm's way. Even a simple AoE will break it, not to mention multiple easily accessible counters to it (detection potions, Mage Light) will literally make using it a death sentence because you'll basically be throwing away magicka for nothing. In fact, BE itself can be used as a very effective counter to Shadow Cloak.

Magicka is another thing, since the classes are different. The only way for an NB to regain the large amount of magicka it takes to cast this ability is by using potions or attacking with Siphoning Attacks turned on (meaning you're no longer escaping and you're also doing 20% less damage). Sorcerers could use potions but also Dark Exchange, which is basically a second magicka bar in many cases. They'd also be far enough away from being harmed by the time they'd have to use these things that the magicka issue would be more about having enough resources to re-engage, not just to get away in the first place. If you were just escaping, there was no need to worry about magicka at all with BE.

I can see why you'd think these abilities are similar and should be treated the same, but that's very very far from the truth.

Huckdabuck wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

"endless recast" the stealth skill, I assume you are referring to, costs AT LEAST 1/5 of the magicka bar, and that is if you have ALOT of magicka, on average it costs 1/4 of the bar, and is easily disrupted, sometimes it does not even work!
heck, its not like BE, which instantly ports you half a mile(exaggeration) the NB invisibility does not increase their speed, and if you pay attention to them, you can see what direction they plan to go once they are invisible, and still easily catch them

Still sounds very similar to the sorc comments a few weeks ago. Come on guys if you want to save your precious skill you must come up with better reasons since we can all see that these reasons didn't work out so well for sorcs.

ZOS is presently working on making Shadow Cloak work correctly, because in its present form it often cancels before it is supposed to.
There are more complaints on the forums about Nightblade's invisible being underpowered and broken than there are complaints on the forums about it being overpowered.
I'm not particularly concerned about this skill being nerfed.

I'm always willing to help out PvP newbies when it comes to countering stealth though.
It is a principle basic enough that everyone who steps into Cyrodiil should be familiar with it.

Tintinabula wrote: »

This isn't rocket surgery. :P

^^ quote of day ^^

joshisanonymous wrote: »

It's not the same argument because the abilities are not the same at all. BE took you completely out of harm's way instantly and could not feasibly be countered. There was no "stop BE from working potion" or anything like that.
BE worked half the time at best for me in a zerg and better than that when ganked IF I was only hit by 1 toon and was able to withstand the initial 85% health ding and get off 2 BE's in a row while praying they didn't have a S&B to reasonably and effectively counter my BE.
With Shadow Cloak, you are still very much in harm's way. Even a simple AoE will break it, not to mention multiple easily accessible counters to it (detection potions, Mage Light) will literally make using it a death sentence because you'll basically be throwing away magicka for nothing. In fact, BE itself can be used as a very effective counter to Shadow Cloak.
Are all of the NB's fighting out in the open and on flat terrain? I mean seriously....LOS anyone? I've honestly chased and lost more NB's than I'd care to count who were smart enough to pick a fight near mountains/hills.
Magicka is another thing, since the classes are different. The only way for an NB to regain the large amount of magicka it takes to cast this ability is by using potions or attacking with Siphoning Attacks turned on (meaning you're no longer escaping and you're also doing 20% less damage). Sorcerers could use potions but also Dark Exchange, which is basically a second magicka bar in many cases. They'd also be far enough away from being harmed by the time they'd have to use these things that the magicka issue would be more about having enough resources to re-engage, not just to get away in the first place. If you were just escaping, there was no need to worry about magicka at all with BE.
Far enough away true if it was a 1v1 and it wasn't anyone with a gap closer. I'm also pretty sure all classes can also get equilibrium and it's 2 morphs so now everyone can have that second bar of magicka as well (just need to find those lore books and viola).

I can see why you'd think these abilities are similar and should be treated the same, but that's very very far from the truth.
Per a poster earlier in the thread that I was addressing....they were calling this their life saving class specific ability and as such this was a much needed skill....what do you think the sorcs life saving class specific ability is? What would you classify as the NB's life saving class specific ability if you disagree with the poster I was quoting? How about the DK's or Templars? So since they are apples and oranges as far as classes...one could still argue that this is their one signature get out of jail free card....in prime circumstances.

I replied in bold above.....I'm still confused how people can not connect the dots. Once again...I'm not for nerfs and am not asking for this to be nerfed....rather I'm showing that everyone is basically all for "nerf their class but leave mine alone". Which is exactly the issue here.....and it's freaking sad. Don't forget the QQ train is always just one stop away from where you are and the Nerf train is one behind it.

Since there are a lot of NBs on maybe you can tell me what is happening when I encounter the following.

I see a NB stealth near me so I stealth to avoid the stun lock. With magelight on I start my search for him. When I head to where I think he went I approach a stealth detection circle and my stealth eye begins to open up half way. I can cover the entire area of the circle with mage light without ever detecting the player inside it. I know it is a player because the circle will move in a single direction on occasion. I even had a friend with a stealth detection set moving through the circle trying to find them without ever doing so.

So what is going on here?

NB is only really dangerous when they get you by surprise.

But then again, so is every other class (soul strike on a horse, anyone?).

I don't see the issue.

Beedles wrote: »

I would like to see someone look at NB stealth. it very frustrating that they are the only class that can tag you with a huge stackable debuff from stealth, then attack you kill you in three 1-2 sec (I am vt12 geared ) and stealth again DURING COMBAT and run away, you have no way of seeing them unless they are RIGHT next to you less then 2-3 meters if that.
yes stealth should be useable but not during combat and there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
almost every NB is a ganker now that I run into and if they cant kill you out right they just stealth and run you have no way of catching them.

Welcome to Cyrodil partner. People in Cyrodil want to kill you and gank you. Next time break stun, hold block, and a pop a potion. I get three shotted all the time by other classes and I'm a nightblade. Welcome to Cyrodil and welcome to being a VR12 we can do things like this. Sorry man, but learn to play. You should be using mage light every where you go in Cyro.

Magelight will not automatically find a stealthed person, just aids in detection. I play a NB in full Medium armor, plus im a Kahjit so i have mucho bonuses to my stealth detection radius. I find that people with magelight have to still get very very close to me to even notice me. Those w/o it or don't have detection potions, I can usually walk threw them and not be seen.

Beedles wrote: »

I would like to see someone look at NB stealth. it very frustrating that they are the only class that can tag you with a huge stackable debuff from stealth, then attack you kill you in three 1-2 sec (I am vt12 geared ) and stealth again DURING COMBAT and run away, you have no way of seeing them unless they are RIGHT next to you less then 2-3 meters if that.
yes stealth should be useable but not during combat and there has to be SOME skill NOT potion that detects them that every class should have access too or give every class a stealth ability like this also.
almost every NB is a ganker now that I run into and if they cant kill you out right they just stealth and run you have no way of catching them.

Cloak is bugged. cloak is only 2.5 (2.9 lolz), no huge buff after decloak, dots, aoes decloaking a nb, cloak cost lot magicka, NB in dps is AFTER all classes, if nb doesnt kill in 1-2 sec hes dead even if trying to cloak. Invisible potions 3sec-4sec, better than NB cloak.

WTH is huge stackable debuff? You can hit harder from HIDE than NB if you arent an NB. are you lvl10 or something? Even DK in heavy armor, in hide you can only see em at 2-3m. just like sorc or temp in light, so doesnt matter. You are a weak TROLL dude.
And i bet you are a most OP class user, a DK. And you fail so you come to cry how NB killd you while AFK.

PS.: roots decloaking the OP NB ROFL omg such trolling nobodies.....

As a nightblade that plays mostly solo gank style, I can tell you three things are surefire ways to break either crouch stealth, or the class stealth skill.

1. Magelight (it works maybe a little too good)
2. Crafted detection potions (thankfully these have a cd and are "relatively" expensive, they dont get spammed that often)
3. Dumb luck running right into another cloaked player. Many a gank attempt has been spoiled by accidentally finding someone else right in the approach vector I wasnt expecting.


When a nightblade comes out solo, and successfully kills you, understand that serious planning went into that kill, sometimes even several minutes of careful observation and patience.

Ive taken almost a half hour to finally attack a target I had decided needed to die. You have to be sure that when you strike, its for the money and not blown by preventable mistakes (not scouting the area for others, using the wrong rotation for the wrong class, making sure you are at the right angle so you attack them in an area that terrain gives you the advantage, etc)

We dont just "spam skills and get kills" it takes a load of work to get a kill, especially on a vet, and doubly so on a vet that actually knows how to counter that alpha (or just has really good reflex reaction times).

When I fail, I fail pretty hard, but when I succeed I succeed knowing there wasnt a damn thing my mark could have done to stop me, the kill itself was already assured by careful planning and strategy.

if youve ever been killed by me, know that you were probably stalked without knowing it for quite some time before I got you. If you got me, either something forced me out like a passive detect, or I simply screwed up. Well or the age old excuse of there being more there than I could handle, shoulda brought my own magelight amirite.

Kajoh_Americano wrote: »

This thread...I don't even...lol...

Anyway for the sake of being constructive, let us demonstrate the full inner works of mage light to the OP :

NB stealthed + enemy player mage light = NB not stealthed.

Truly groundbreaking stuff.

IF you bothered to read the posts you would see that mage light DOES NOT detect NB stealth until they are 1-3m away from you or less. Its not working like its supposed to. btw good job on being rude and insulting, your intelligent words speak of your character. which I am sure is truly ground breaking stuff to you.