I think people are missing one of the best parts about ESO...

drogon1 · June 2014

LOL. I get bored of questing and like doing dungeons. Therefore I am a rusher and grinder. The stupid is strong is this thread.

My highest toon is 27. I play five toons in 2 factions and craft on all of them. Yeah, real rusher and grinder there.

These forums become more and more apologetic over time. Is it more because the game is getting better for more people, or more because contrary players have left the game and lost access?

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »

What they need to put in,is a disclaimer that says "There is no way to mindlessly grind 3 dungeons every 5 to 10 levels to level up."

The hoard of RMT bots that leveled to 50 VR1 doing nothing BUT botting dungeons are testimony to how wrong this statement of yours is.

bloodlanceeb17_ESO · June 2014

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

It seems like people are trying to play ESO like any other game and not like and elder scrolls game. People are rushing up to 50+ getting annoyed when you cant skip the dialogue. I have recently started playing the game like an elderscrolls game, running all quests, reading every line of every dialogue and I have to tell you, the quests are amazing, story lines are great and a lot of the choices are hard to make.

I am an MMO vet with over 6 years spent on my previous MMO (DDO) and so far this is the first one I have actually been interested in the lore.

I dont know if Im right but some people seen to be having more and more fun with it now.

Thoughts?

When i played Morrowind and Skyrim, quests was not the thing for me, i just went to different places and played and killed mobs etc.

Very rarely i did quests.

In ESO the only way to level up is quests, it is 100% different then Morrowind or Skyrim.

To this date, i have not completed the storyline quest in Skyrim ( i have all addons bought in it ).

To this date, i have not completed the storyline quest in Morrowind.

There is very many ES gamers like me, we play the game, we do not hunt for quests like brainless chickens.

if the developers of ESO does not see this, it will effect largely in huge negative impact in ESO. = player loss.

When raids have been done, and or raiding cannot be done, people do 4 man dungeons. => when we are not maxed in level, the only reason to do em ONE TIME is the quest in there (for exp and nice 4 man group content) => after the 1st time in a dungeon, there is no reason to go back => when there is no reason to go back => 2h++++ wait time for dungeon group => players who enjoy 4 man group content leave ESO as they have no plans to only quest to max level => HUGE PROBLEM.

Wake the *** up.

Fleymark · June 2014

That's the thing. This game is so full of One Twoo Way types, it's ridiculous. Especially if you've ever played a TES game before. I started the series with Oblivion but, unless something was vastly different before, the hallmark of TES games has always been do it the way you want, in what order etc. I even did a playthru in Skyrim where I did minimal questing...i advanced purely by grinding mobs, exploring, etc. I'm sure that concept will have people saying I cheated Skyrim or something. Lol

Personally, I do the quests and generally enjoy them but by mid VR it's seriously gotten repetitive and dull. I bang out a zone / level or two, get bored, then log in daily to check research and feed the horse for a week (10 days with the current break) until I get the motivation to start questing again.

So I guess I could go find some mobs to grind and mix it up some since, content wise, there is really only one spot at any given level...Or craglorn. But then the One Twoo Way bunch will say I'm playing wrong, "exploiting" or even "cheating." Lulz.

Reading quest text and listening the full dialogue doesn't smooth over the fact that this game, for the first time in TES games, has one dimensional on rails content and offers very little in terms of variety or options for group play, for many the entire point of MMOs. If previous TES games were this linear and lacked choices like this we probably wouldn't even be here. If questing was all there was to do in the previous games they wouldn't have been the exceptional RPGs they are legendary for being.

Not to mention, the game needs to have legs as an MMO, not just as a TES game. Not sure why that even needs to be said. After you get past the 1-50 group dungeons there are so many things impeding grouping it's almost questionable if this game is even an MMO at all. Mass PvP and limited group content alone don't make a game an MMO.

bloodlanceeb17_ESO · June 2014

i am done questing, doing quests for level ups in ESO is *** on keyboard for me. no thank you.

if there is no fix for this in the near future, i am done with ESO. I know for a fact that they can change experience back to the "normal" level in a ninja patch so the problem with this is somewhere else, prolly in some CEO saying that quests or GTFO.

well ill choose GTFO as questing is not an alternative for me, even if i waited a year, i could not do one zone worth of quests no more... NO MORE.

NO MORE !

SK1TZ0FR3N1K · June 2014

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »

What they need to put in,is a disclaimer that says "There is no way to mindlessly grind 3 dungeons every 5 to 10 levels to level up."

The hoard of RMT bots that leveled to 50 VR1 doing nothing BUT botting dungeons are testimony to how wrong this statement of yours is.

That snippet was a tongue in cheek response to @dragon1 saying the only way to level was questing, and solo at that. It was basically saying this is the disclaimer he/she wanted. If you had bothered to read the whole thing, I actually said, I have leveled through group dungeons.

In every MMO I have played, questing yields the fastest XP/hr gain. That's why the big 3 leveling guides still make money. However, you can always level doing the other things you enjoy. Those routes are never faster than questing. One of my crafting goons, the provisioner, made it to level 9 just randomly teleporting to guild members to loot the crates and sacks around the Wayshrine they popped out at. Exploration XP is alot more than most people realize. My mat farming character got to 20 before leaving Glenumbra, running just the main quest line, grabbing all the shards, running all the Dolmens, killing all the land bosses, running through all the delves, killing anything that looked at me ***-eyed, uncovering the whole map, and opening all the chests it found. Took longer than my main character, but he still leveled.

drogon1 wrote: »

These forums become more and more apologetic over time. Is it more because the game is getting better for more people, or more because contrary players have left the game and lost access?

Apologetic? No. Some of us actually wanted the layout this game offered. Our only gripes are usually customer service, bugs, and exploits. I think the last line of that quote is accurate, though. The people who didn't like the game, and saw it wasn't going to change left, as they should. On top of that the bot sightings have dropped drastically, so the exploiters/cheaters have lost access.

Aaklor · June 2014

ESO is great if you play 1-50, after that, the game takes a nose dive.

bloodlanceeb17_ESO · June 2014

yea ive tried to get a group dungeon group, its been 5 hours and i am still waiting.

been like that from week3.

Haxer · June 2014

drogon1 wrote: »

These forums become more and more apologetic over time. Is it more because the game is getting better for more people, or more because contrary players have left the game and lost access?

Those of us who want this game to succeed and have unsubbed to refuse paying for an inferior/unfinished product, and sending the message to ZoS that everything is fine as is, are either out of time -or like me- are using their last remaining time to try to wave the flag and get the ship back on track. But eventually we will be gone, and only those who are enjoying playing this like a single-player game will be left. The forums will seem 'nicer' but I hope the single-player crowd is enough to keep it afloat.

I'm sorry ZoS, but for $15 a month, I need more communication from you, I need you to have a vision for the game and communicate that to me, I need to be able to meet up with my Guild in-game, I need variety in activities to do, I need social/fun ways to invest in the game and feel like part of the world you have created, I need to be able to play multiplayer and build community. I know that sounds like I'm asking for a lot for $15 a month, but the sad truth is that other games do offer all that right now. So you need to step up, you can't ride the TES name alone forever, sooner or later you will have to deliver.

AelyinESO · June 2014

Falmer wrote: »

Completely agree. I would say the vast majority of people complaining about the game are playing it like the first person to max level wins the grand prize.

Play it like an actual RP game and the game is pretty amazing. For the crowds that want to get into a grind group and run around the same 'camp' circuit for hours on end... yes I imagine its pretty lackluster.

Yes, play each faction with a different character. There is no prize for 'max level'.

Indeed, I'm not rushing, and I'm reading everything. I want to enjoy the game, not use Craglorn Exploids to reach VR12. I wanna know what's going on 1st and learn how to play using my build.

We all know about problems here, but IF you follow the forum you will see many ZoS Staffs posting about it, They know already, just need patience to fix, while enjoy.

drogon1 · June 2014

SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »

SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »

That snippet was a tongue in cheek response to @dragon1 saying the only way to level was questing, and solo at that. It was basically saying this is the disclaimer he/she wanted. If you had bothered to read the whole thing, I actually said, I have leveled through group dungeons.

In every MMO I have played, questing yields the fastest XP/hr gain. That's why the big 3 leveling guides still make money. However, you can always level doing the other things you enjoy. Those routes are never faster than questing.

My turn to call BS. Prior to 50, "I have leveled through group dungeons" is patently false. Unless what you meant was: "I dinged after turning in my one and only dungeon quest for completing the dungeon." I calculated on my level 20 tank that I would have to run the dungeon well over 200 times to make level 21. LOL.

Then you say, "However, you can always level doing the other things you enjoy." Are you not reading what people that don't enjoy your style of gaming are saying? Their whole point is that they CANNOT level doing the things they enjoy. Why? Not because the enjoyable things are not in game, but because there is no way to level from them.

ESO is the only premium MMO that I know of that doesn't allow players to actually level doing group dungeons. This was a deal breaker for my friends who mainly play MMOs for the group content - group dungeons.

Glad you enjoy ESO, but I am concerned about the apparently flippancy with which you dismiss a large swath of the MMO playerbase that does not share your fondness for questing.

Narrowing player choice is bad practice in an MMO, for it means narrowing it's long term playerbase and development funding. Why would anyone with a fondness for questing care about whether dungeon xp was raised?

/facepalm.

Cogo · June 2014

Hmm, some people here is giving me new faith that ESO forums in time can be a community for those who PLAY ESO, and not rush to highest lvl, expecting WoW raids.

And btw, you who know me, who told me I just enjoy the game 1-50.

In the coming days I will have gotten some Vet experience of the vet content, and will get back to you.

What I can say is that Vet mobs hits A LOT harder, even with my heavy armor. and are A LOT harder to kill then lvl 50 mobs. You are all right about that.

However, I dont have a problem with this. It should be harder at Vet levels. Just not impossible.

I will return when I have more experience, but you who told me I only enjoy 1-50 because its "easy", was half right. It IS a big difference in Vet mobs and lvl 49 mobs.

So far, not a problem for me.

No one answered me yet, could someone, in a friendly way please, explain why HEAVY armor needs tweaking up? I leave medium and light armor to Zenimax, but heavy armor I do know about and it protects me well.

Why does heavy armor needs to get better? I always wear 5 pieces and 2 pieces of medium for stamina regen.

Again, call me names or whatever, but someone who understands, please tell me the problem about heavy armor, cause I see none. I want to know!

alphawolph · June 2014

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

alphawolph wrote: »

I agree, once I started playing it like a single player game I had a lot more fun. The game is totally set up that way. With things like not being able to tell players and NPCs apart. And having no real player commerce. It's also why I unsubbed I can play Skyrim and not need to pay every month.

Is it also why you stick around telling everyone that doesn't care? Or do you just want a cookie and a hug :'( another sad case of not enough hugs as a kid.

/shrug I like the community on the forums. Even people like you.

Woogawoman · June 2014

I agree that this game is about the lore, more than other MMOs - and all the other bits people have been saying for months. But I don't think that it's fair anymore to say that folks who are complaining about end game all "rushed through content."

I take my time, read lore, listen to dialogue, don't play in long stretches, haven't done dungeons/PVP repeatedly just for XP. In other words, I consider myself a "casual" player. And I hit VR1 in the past week. So enough time has now elapsed for an average player to finish the main game and encounter what comes next.

Soliduparrow · June 2014

The game has been out for 2 months. You guys can't use the "rush to 50" excuse anymore. The game is flawed. Just admit it.

magickats242cub18_ESO · June 2014

Soliduparrow wrote: »

The game has been out for 2 months. You guys can't use the "rush to 50" excuse anymore. The game is flawed. Just admit it.

Show me a game that isn't flawed. There will never be a "perfect" game because people will always have their preferences and will stick to what they like, regardless of the game's issues. Those who don't have the patience to put up with the bugs will simply move on and find something else to keep them busy.

It is true that it is now 2+ months since ESO's launch, but if you were to read all the posts about the lack of end game content, or how boring/difficult the vet zones feel, you will notice that these posts were made by the people who rushed to the end game, and now find themselves either stuck because of difficulty, or just sheer boredom because they don't like the quest grind. And not to mention, the pvp system was not what they were hoping for.

The people who still play are enjoying the game, and are aware of the issues. They have faith that these problems will get sorted out, and they are in no rush to get to the end.

Is it so bad to enjoy the journey without obsessing on the destination?

Soliduparrow · June 2014

That is not true at all that the only posts about how bad veteran levels are are from 2 months ago. You are just making things up. Most people and most current players think that the veteran level design choice is flawed.

"Is it so bad to enjoy the journey without obsessing on the destination?"

I don't even know what this means. Veteran levels are part of the "journey" and they suck.

magickats242cub18_ESO · June 2014

Soliduparrow wrote: »

"Is it so bad to enjoy the journey without obsessing on the destination?"

I don't even know what this means. Veteran levels are part of the "journey" and they suck.

This is all a matter of perspective, and I am really sorry your experience was not enjoyable.

Animus0724 · June 2014

Falmer wrote: »

Yes, play each faction with a different character. There is no prize for 'max level'.

Uh, VR12, higher stats, ability to wear better gear, also you gain a ton of skill points doing all the quests in the other factions

TieFighter · June 2014

Soliduparrow wrote: »

The game has been out for 2 months. You guys can't use the "rush to 50" excuse anymore. The game is flawed. Just admit it.

A 2 month old game is still new troll, im still to this day surprised at some peoples abilities to show... ahhh how do i say this appropriately...

SirAndy · June 2014

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

Thoughts?

Plenty ...

poodlemasterb16_ESO · June 2014

Daethz wrote: »

You cant play ESO like skyrim, in skyrim I skipped around the entire map.
In this game you can only skip around to a dozen quest nodes in the same zone.

Plus Aldmeri Dominion quest/lore is so boring that it made me want to rush through as quickly as humanly possible. I dident do it fast enough and lost all interest.

You can go almost anywhere you want. I routinely run low level chars into ridiculous territory just to read books. Ever level an Enchanter?

Really if the AD quest line is boring to you, you are most definitely in the wrong place. It's probably the best written game I have ever seen.

Cogo · June 2014

The game is not flawed. If anything it keeps getting better!

I am just Vet1 as well, and enjoying the hell out of it!

Zenimax is fixing stuffs, adding stuff and BEST part, the lore....connects all!

Love it!

Cogo · June 2014

magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »

The people who still play are enjoying the game, and are aware of the issues. They have faith that these problems will get sorted out, and they are in no rush to get to the end.

Is it so bad to enjoy the journey without obsessing on the destination?

Very correct, and ESO is gaining players. Players who are taking their time and are interested in ESO after reading what it is about.

The main problem was just that people expected ESO to be:
1. WoW V2 = Those muppets are gone
2. Skyrim online - Zenimax told 1000 times it is not skyrime online
3. Did not know, or had no interest in all the things you can do other then Best exp/level, and best quests.

Must fun things I do is skyshard hunting, searching for wierd quests, running away from trolls.....And doing ALL the instanced dungeons at the correct level with a group, mostly my guild or friends. With simular level. they can take hours, but MAN are they fun to try and figure out tactics!

I dont google anything, no addons. I play alot, started on 5 days early access with this char and I dont have any alts. Guild management takes a bit. Recruiting the right people is a timely process

From tuesday when the group lag is gone, Ill be dying in Cyro alot! Been really waiting for that. Used to go before when the group lag bug wasnt there.
I am HORRIBLE at pvp, but good at catapult walls!