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Why did they spike the difficulty so much
KrisButtar
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I went from 1-50 with only dying once(Molag Bal). Made it to VR zone at level 42 now I'm VR2 in VR1 zone and can not beat a mob of 3 enemies.
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KrisButtar wrote: »I went from 1-50 with only dying once(Molag Bal). Made it to VR zone at level 42 now I'm VR2 in VR1 zone and can not beat a mob of 3 enemies.
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
It gets even harder. 1-50 was a faceroll but was supposed to teach you how to play. VR1-12 puts your skills to the test and finds out what you know which is why so many hate it.6 -
Dekkameron✭✭✭✭✭I don't really find veteran levels harder.. Just takes longer to kill stuff. That to me doesn't really make it more exciting or interesting.- Veteran Combat Librarian -11 -
KrisButtar✭✭✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »KrisButtar wrote: »I went from 1-50 with only dying once(Molag Bal). Made it to VR zone at level 42 now I'm VR2 in VR1 zone and can not beat a mob of 3 enemies.
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
It gets even harder. 1-50 was a faceroll but was supposed to teach you how to play. VR1-12 puts your skills to the test and finds out what you know which is why so many hate it.
Yet I can solo dungeons(not the boss though) in PvP which are VR5 mobs. Are VR1 zone mobs stronger than the PvP VR5 level mobs? I agree 1-50 was way too easy considering I beat the story at level 42.
Edited by KrisButtar on June 17, 2014 9:47PM1 -
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✭KrisButtar wrote: »
your class, your skill, how you approach them, what are the type of mobs, fire mage? healer? archer, atronach?
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Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭KrisButtar wrote: »I went from 1-50 with only dying once(Molag Bal). Made it to VR zone at level 42 now I'm VR2 in VR1 zone and can not beat a mob of 3 enemies.
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
To be honest Veteran Zones are not really that hard. People find them difficult only because it's testing you on how to approach every fight (which was 1-49 supposed to teach you).
For example if there is a big guy with a big sword, you can be sure he is gonna hit you hard with his power attack, if you don't block that - > usually means you are dead.
Move from archers and mages power attack just the same way.
If you are even more willing to adapt to each situation learn how to stun others while you finish each mob one by one.
Mechanics are nothing new really, but are really unforgivable if you don't play it the right way.
Also Big mobs like Gargoyles, Werewolfs, Atronachs etc..each of them can be easily soloed if you learn their weaknesses.
Edited by Bloodfang on June 17, 2014 10:01PM2 -
Bryong9ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭They spiked the difficulty because..well.. You went from 1-50 with only dying ONCE!! And in my opinion if this happend to me I would be pissed. Its a mmo/video game! It should be challenging!! What is wrong with people now a days? No one want to work for it anymore. Stop being lazy and grow!6 -
KrisButtar✭✭✭KrisButtar wrote: »
your class, your skill, how you approach them, what are the type of mobs, fire mage? healer? archer, atronach?
like these.
Templar with healing staff and bow, main skills are biting jabs, magma shot, volcanic spell from mage guild, the 3 fireball skill from dawn wrath along with the temp healing. My 2nd set of slotted skills are set up for healing with the staff with the thrown javelin knockdown and volcanic mage guild skill again. I wear 5 heavy and 2 light for armor.
Opening I will try to use volcanic to keep them off balance and if the mob is too far apart I throw the 3 fireball skill and bait them into a volcanic move. I also use magma shot to keep them at a distance. If they get to close use biting jabs. I can't even heal fast enough to keep myself alive against a mob of 3 till my magicka runs out.0 -
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✭ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »KrisButtar wrote: »I went from 1-50 with only dying once(Molag Bal). Made it to VR zone at level 42 now I'm VR2 in VR1 zone and can not beat a mob of 3 enemies.
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
It gets even harder. 1-50 was a faceroll but was supposed to teach you how to play. VR1-12 puts your skills to the test and finds out what you know which is why so many hate it.
this couldnt be farther from the truth. All it teaches folk with a modicum of intellect is that its time to get staffs and light armour. also that the devs ran out of ideas and content so just recycled the other 2 factions to try to fool the foolish.
it worked a charm for that demographic
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KrisButtar✭✭✭I'm dying against most if not all of the mobs of 3 in the VR zone with DaggerFall.Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »They spiked the difficulty because..well.. You went from 1-50 with only dying ONCE!! And in my opinion if this happend to me I would be pissed. Its a mmo/video game! It should be challenging!! What is wrong with people now a days? No one want to work for it anymore. Stop being lazy and grow!
I wasn't thrilled that it was so easy but its gone way past challenging and went to impossible. Demon Souls and Dark Souls are fun and challenging and I would have been happy with that level of difficulty
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭KrisButtar wrote: »
dont let the forum rambo's make you believe its you thats lacking skill. this is not the case. see all the other huge threads about vet mode. plus most fo the ones telling you its fine will have done it on sorc or DK which sure as hell makes it much easier.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭What I found is that group of 1-2 mobs are easy, group of 3 mobs is doable if i can eliminate one quickly.
Group with melees are easiest, archers are most difficult just because they hit a lot instantly. Healers are annoying but not deadly. Fire/frost mages are fine as long as you pay attention to their attack path.
I don't have a good Templar specific suggestions for you, since my Templar is only level 40 in coldharbour. Lets see if other templars have suggestions for you.
I don't know if there is a real spike in difficulty levels from level 49 to VR1, maybe 20% increase in enemy health and damage?0 -
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✭KrisButtar wrote: »
dont let the forum rambo's make you believe its you thats lacking skill. this is not the case. see all the other huge threads about vet mode. plus most fo the ones telling you its fine will have done it on sorc or DK which sure as hell makes it much easier.
just finished leveling my templar solo.
Hubbies main was a nightblade we enjoyed the difficulty.
we are in our 50s
(no we didn't level together)
It really is a matter of learning how to play - I'm sorry but it is.
Edited by Laura on June 17, 2014 10:18PM10 -
KrisButtar✭✭✭What I found is that group of 1-2 mobs are easy, group of 3 mobs is doable if i can eliminate one quickly.
Group with melees are easiest, archers are most difficult just because they hit a lot instantly. Healers are annoying but not deadly. Fire/frost mages are fine as long as you pay attention to their attack path.
I don't have a good Templar specific suggestions for you, since my Templar is only level 40 in coldharbour. Lets see if other templars have suggestions for you.
I don't know if there is a real spike in difficulty levels from level 49 to VR1, maybe 20% increase in enemy health and damage?
Yea mobs of 1-2 are not bad at all, not even life threatening in most cases. I don't know why I am having so much trouble with VR1 zone when I can kill mobs of 3 in PvP alone, most of the time and they are VR5 in level. Something just doesn't seem right. I wouldn't even be frustrated if I was dealing with the PvP VR5 mobs in this zone but these mobs are 4 levels below and seem to be killing me a lot faster and more often. After grinding in PvP against VR5 mobs to VR2, I figured I could at least do the same in the VR1 zone.0 -
hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭KrisButtar wrote: »
dont let the forum rambo's make you believe its you thats lacking skill. this is not the case. see all the other huge threads about vet mode. plus most fo the ones telling you its fine will have done it on sorc or DK which sure as hell makes it much easier.
just finished leveling my templar solo.
Hubbies main was a nightblade we enjoyed the difficulty.
we are in our 50s
(no we didn't level together)
It really is a matter of learning how to play - I'm sorry but it is.
well ive done it as well , i,m in my 40,s (why is that even relevant) and i used a templar. i disagree i think its too frustrating and slow and unrewarding for the difficulty involved.
all i learned was exactly how broken melee builds were and medium and heavy armour. stamina versus magika
and i needed to play as a mage.
so i learned much but none of it made me a better player it just forced me into a dress and a staff..
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hamon✭✭✭✭✭
✭KrisButtar wrote: »I'm dying against most if not all of the mobs of 3 in the VR zone with DaggerFall.Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »They spiked the difficulty because..well.. You went from 1-50 with only dying ONCE!! And in my opinion if this happend to me I would be pissed. Its a mmo/video game! It should be challenging!! What is wrong with people now a days? No one want to work for it anymore. Stop being lazy and grow!
I wasn't thrilled that it was so easy but its gone way past challenging and went to impossible. Demon Souls and Dark Souls are fun and challenging and I would have been happy with that level of difficulty
yes i,m playing dark souls 2 just now and while more difficult than vwt mode on my templar its much more rewarding and less annoying.
thats cos they actually make the game make sense. the curve is fair and the mechanics of the mobs vary they dont just use fake difficulty.
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✭The difficulty spiked because they have no idea what they're doing with this game.8 -
Brutalis✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »The difficulty spiked because they have no idea what they're doing with this game.
Thanks for playing please leave now, so the pugs for veteran levels are better .
kthxbye
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jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭I think the problem is the variation of DPS for weapons and class..
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
Swampster✭✭✭Maverick827 wrote: »The difficulty spiked because they have no idea what they're doing with this game.
Thanks for playing please leave now, so the pugs for veteran levels are better .
kthxbye
And when they've followed your advice.. you're left with nobody to pug with! Genius!
kthxbi
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Blud✭✭✭✭✭Bryong9ub17_ESO wrote: »They spiked the difficulty because..well.. You went from 1-50 with only dying ONCE!! And in my opinion if this happend to me I would be pissed. Its a mmo/video game! It should be challenging!! What is wrong with people now a days? No one want to work for it anymore. Stop being lazy and grow!
I see what you're saying, but I think this answer is a bit simplistic. It's true that 1-50 can be too easy, especially for certain classes. For example, I find the experience on a Sorc to be "faceroll easy" compared to on my Templar, which felt about right. All this is subjective, of course.
But I'm pretty sure the majority of people who have attempted VR levels find it more tedious and annoying, not-well-tuned in difficulty, than fun or challenging. So to simply say people are lazy is to incorrectly view the situation and not attempt to make this game better, which it surely can be.Edited by Blud on June 17, 2014 11:13PM1 -
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✭✭This happened a few days ago. I took a screenshot because it's a perfect example of why people are leaving. This is from a single mage npc that was inside a house casting these spells through a wall as I was running away because I couldn't even see her.
Even if the mob wasn't broken. Even if she wasn't casting through a wall at someone running away, this is ridiculous. She is doing more damage than a dungeon boss. All of you people that find this garbage somehow satisfying can enjoy an empty game. If you make one mistake, miss one dodge or are too slow to hit a block, this is what will hit you.
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Adernath✭✭✭✭✭Vereran levels are not really hard IMO, but its a struggle nonetheless. Not relaxing and not immersive for an epic hero since everything can kill you in a few hits. Sure I like to have a challenge here and there, but I get tired from struggeling around with trashmobs...3 -
jonpaul✭✭✭Me and the wife have been playing since early access, we have leveled together the entire time. I am a DK tank, she is a Templar resto/destro and both hit V8 last night (I know, <gasp> why are we not racing to max level as fast as we can!!) Going 1-50 would not have been bad, but I can say that if we were not running as a team it would be much more difficult than it is for us. Just having that second player makes the difference. We also have had ZERO grouping issues before someone jumps on that
We are thoroughly enjoying the game since it is something for us to do together but solo? May be quite difficult in my opinion. Sure we die (she more than me, but don't tell her I said that) but we enjoy it and nothing has kept up from having a good time.
PS, (tip that I always have to remind my wife). If you keep moving and don't stand still you will live longer... stick and move, stick and move...Edited by jonpaul on June 17, 2014 11:27PMWAR EAGLE
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KrisButtar✭✭✭
I beat Molag Bal at level 42, eight levels below the recommended level and have been soloing PvP dungeons to collect shards which contain VR5 ranked mobs. Yet I can't beat VR1 mobs which really bothers me and actually rerolled a new character in a new alliance so I can experience the rest of the content. I play to have fun and enjoy challenges but this is to far above and beyond.
Thanks to the ones above who gave ideas and suggestions to help. Hopefully Zeni has plans on changing the difficulty as it seems the majority are leaving and not the minority because of this. After doing a quick search it seems I'm not alone in this.
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Westcoast14_ESO✭✭✭Alphashado wrote: »This happened a few days ago. I took a screenshot because it's a perfect example of why people are leaving. This is from a single mage npc that was inside a house casting these spells through a wall as I was running away because I couldn't even see her.
Even if the mob wasn't broken. Even if she wasn't casting through a wall at someone running away, this is ridiculous. She is doing more damage than a dungeon boss. All of you people that find this garbage somehow satisfying can enjoy an empty game. If you make one mistake, miss one dodge or are too slow to hit a block, this is what will hit you.
iirc Fire Runes is a long cast time pulsing ground AoE. You have to stand in it for quite a while for its damage to rack up. Heat wave is a long cast time AoE that produces a long slowly advancing line of flame. You can walk out of its path. I think Flare may be their normal ranged attack, which you could dodge or block, but which I generally ignore.
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KrisButtar wrote: »ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »KrisButtar wrote: »I went from 1-50 with only dying once(Molag Bal). Made it to VR zone at level 42 now I'm VR2 in VR1 zone and can not beat a mob of 3 enemies.
I stockpile soul gems, don't even bother fighting the mobs anymore just let them kill me and I run on and continue this pattern until I complete the quest. Will it get easier or should I even bother? I went through some 30 soul gems before I gave up fighting them, its less frustrating just to run and die. Why is it I can beat mobs of 3 in PvP when they are VR5 but I can't beat these VR1 mobs of 3?
It gets even harder. 1-50 was a faceroll but was supposed to teach you how to play. VR1-12 puts your skills to the test and finds out what you know which is why so many hate it.
Yet I can solo dungeons(not the boss though) in PvP which are VR5 mobs. Are VR1 zone mobs stronger than the PvP VR5 level mobs? I agree 1-50 was way too easy considering I beat the story at level 42.
If you beat it at level 42 then you didn't do all the content in your starting zone. And like a lot of people said its not necessarily harder it's that they have more life. But they do hit harder and you do have to watch out a little more. When you see the enemy about to power attack you have to block or they are gonna tear you up.0