nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.

Yes, it's "ridiculously stupid" that they don't let you unfeed a horse. Because we all know that in real life, you just whisper in its ear about how pretty it looked before it got fat, and the horse just throws that food right back up.

You had three buttons to click. Three. You clicked one without thinking about it. Now you're blaming the designers for that?

Clearly you can't read. The horse I fed was the pack horse, not the speed horse. After I clicked "oats" I went to feed the speed horse and found out it was fed already. Some kind of annoying bug happened.

So, no, person who jumps to attack, I didn't go through 3 clicks and feed the wrong horse. Some bug screwed over my horse and I want a reset.

Then if it was a bug and not just user error, submit a report. Maybe CS can do something about it. That's not justification for adding a completely ludicrous feature to the game.

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

If there is no way to undo this, Zenmax needs to add one. Otherwise, it's ridiculously stupid design.

Yes, it's "ridiculously stupid" that they don't let you unfeed a horse. Because we all know that in real life, you just whisper in its ear about how pretty it looked before it got fat, and the horse just throws that food right back up.

You had three buttons to click. Three. You clicked one without thinking about it. Now you're blaming the designers for that?

Clearly you can't read. The horse I fed was the pack horse, not the speed horse. After I clicked "oats" I went to feed the speed horse and found out it was fed already. Some kind of annoying bug happened.

So, no, person who jumps to attack, I didn't go through 3 clicks and feed the wrong horse. Some bug screwed over my horse and I want a reset.

File a bug report with screenshots

1. Yeah. I should have taken screenshots before and after feeding the horse, then filed an error report when I noticed how the horse names switched places instantly without my clicking. I must be in the minority for not taking screenshots of feeding my horse before and after.

2. I don't screenshot everything. So it's my fault I can't do that, and just shook my head and exited the game.

3. It's ridiculous we can't have a reset button on our mounts, for the following reasons:
a. this is a game. It's not real.
b. if you want to make the stupidly silly argument that feeding a horse is irreversible, then you should be aware that feeding a horse one apple will not, no matter how much you pray or believe, increase the horses speed. If you think it will, you need serious counselling.
c. all people make mistakes. In a game where we can adjust those of our main characters, we should be able to adjust those of our mounts.
d. bugs like the one that affected me are not predictable nor preventable by me.

Therefore, Zenmax needs to add a level of flexibility to choices that are permanent. As @Dayv wrote above, we need an "induce vomit" button on our horses.

The fact that you actually argued we can't reverse feeding is incredible. I'm stunned. I mean, if you want to make this a discussion about what happens in real life with feeding animals, and you actually believe that giving a horse one serving of oats will irreversibly make it capable of carrying more, then I need to introduce you to starvation diets.

"Ok, evil GM who can't change his mind, tomorrow...I don't feed my horse. What happens?"

Singular wrote: »

I just logged on to feed my horses. I have 2 horses. One I use for speed, one for capacity for when I go farming/mining/whatever.

For whatever reason, it showed the wrong name at the top - I fed my capacity horse first and then went to switch to my speed horse. Well, my speed horse was already fed a capacity buff. Arg!!! I've been feeding her speed for 50 days or more now, she's at 65%, level 50.

Is there an undo function somewhere?

If otherwise, there needs to be one!

Sorry you fed the wrong horse, but you can't uneat a meal, especially after it's been digested.

Hondy wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

I've been feeding her speed for 50 days or more now, she's at 65%, level 50.

Level 50 horse is max, so no more feeding of that 1.

Wow, ok, thank you - and all the above posters who instructed me on this.

Uhm...ok, so I fed Chocolate Speed as often as possible - she is at 65%. She is also at 11% Stamina and 1% capacity. I thought I incorrectly fed her Capacity last time, hence the 1%.

So...are these numbers normal? Is it a bug that she is gaining capacity despite that she is also max speed, according to everyone here?

(and, for the record, we should be able to respec our magical horses)

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

I just logged on to feed my horses. I have 2 horses. One I use for speed, one for capacity for when I go farming/mining/whatever.

For whatever reason, it showed the wrong name at the top - I fed my capacity horse first and then went to switch to my speed horse. Well, my speed horse was already fed a capacity buff. Arg!!! I've been feeding her speed for 50 days or more now, she's at 65%, level 50.

Is there an undo function somewhere?

If otherwise, there needs to be one!

Sorry you fed the wrong horse, but you can't uneat a meal, especially after it's been digested.

Ok....where to start oh respected poster...?

1. It's a transdimensional horse that folds space to fit in your backpack.

2. Everyone knows that transdimensional horses can purge, refeed and re-allocate points. For a price. For a price, Alex.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

I just logged on to feed my horses. I have 2 horses. One I use for speed, one for capacity for when I go farming/mining/whatever.

For whatever reason, it showed the wrong name at the top - I fed my capacity horse first and then went to switch to my speed horse. Well, my speed horse was already fed a capacity buff. Arg!!! I've been feeding her speed for 50 days or more now, she's at 65%, level 50.

Is there an undo function somewhere?

If otherwise, there needs to be one!

Sorry you fed the wrong horse, but you can't uneat a meal, especially after it's been digested.

Well the Kids on Southpark figured out how to uneat why can't we ... kidding of course

Singular wrote: »

Hondy wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

I've been feeding her speed for 50 days or more now, she's at 65%, level 50.

Level 50 horse is max, so no more feeding of that 1.

Wow, ok, thank you - and all the above posters who instructed me on this.

Uhm...ok, so I fed Chocolate Speed as often as possible - she is at 65%. She is also at 11% Stamina and 1% capacity. I thought I incorrectly fed her Capacity last time, hence the 1%.

So...are these numbers normal? Is it a bug that she is gaining capacity despite that she is also max speed, according to everyone here?

(and, for the record, we should be able to respec our magical horses)

For a level 50 standard horse who has been fed nothing but speed, those numbers are exactly what you would get.

Singular wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

Good thing the rest of the game sticks as close to real life as possible, through the spells I actually use on a day-to-day basis to defeat demons and necromancers in my neighborhood aren't exactly the same as my sorcerer in ESO, but close enough that I can overlook that particular unrealistic detail.

I love when this argument comes up, because it's always ridiculous.

Yes, there is magic in the Elder Scrolls universe. Well spotted. And yes, it's a fantasy world. However, the series has always maintained a more realistic feel/aesthetic compared to other fantasy games. The world of Tamriel has a ruleset that happens to include the regular use of magic. It has not, to date, included a spell to "unfeed" something or someone.

Adramelach wrote: »

Good thing the rest of the game sticks as close to real life as possible, though the spells I actually use on a day-to-day basis to defeat demons and necromancers in my neighborhood aren't exactly the same as my sorcerer in ESO, but close enough that I can overlook that particular unrealistic detail.

Also, there are things so ridiculously stupid that they are not even believable in a fantasy universe.

Unfeeding horses is one of them.

So you're saying is a transdimensional horse who relocates to your backpack the moment you touch deep water - or enter combat - cannot be realistically unfed?

If players had to go back to town to get their horse every time they wanted to ride it or walk it behind them when not riding, they would be screaming bloody murder. Zen has to do some things to appease the lazy.

But seriously, unfeeding a horse? lol

Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

Good thing the rest of the game sticks as close to real life as possible, through the spells I actually use on a day-to-day basis to defeat demons and necromancers in my neighborhood aren't exactly the same as my sorcerer in ESO, but close enough that I can overlook that particular unrealistic detail.

I love when this argument comes up, because it's always ridiculous.

Yes, there is magic in the Elder Scrolls universe. Well spotted. And yes, it's a fantasy world. However, the series has always maintained a more realistic feel/aesthetic compared to other fantasy games. The world of Tamriel has a ruleset that happens to include the regular use of magic. It has not, to date, included a spell to "unfeed" something or someone.

Let me just respec and ta-da the 50 levels of provisioning and greatswords have now been unlearned as if they didn't exist. Your argument is pointless once again as respeccing is "unfeeding" someone.

You can't unring a bell and you can't unfeed a horse .. As far as demanding a redo button, seriously ..

Adramelach wrote: »

Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.

/thread

You absolutely defined the issue here.

GrimGryphon wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.

/thread

You absolutely defined the issue here.

No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.

If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.

All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.

Uh...so I just re-adjust my horses points, using the same logic you just posted.

Cheers for that.

Singular wrote: »

GrimGryphon wrote: »

Singular wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

Guys, it's not "unfeeding" any more than doing a respec on your character is "unlearning" which should be equally ridiculous. I cannot believe how people are intransigent on this one, particular issue, when, as it's been pointed out several times, there are glaring and fantastic breaches of "reality" and even "logic" at a fundamental level all throughout the game. I mean, come on - show a little consistency here. If you were to rank all the "unrealistic" things that are possible and routine in this game, I doubt this particular thing would make the top 10, or perhaps even the top 20.

/thread

You absolutely defined the issue here.

No he didn't. You don't unlearn any skills in the game, you just re-adjust your points to identify what skills you have access to. If you decide later to put points back in those skills, your progression is right back to where it was. You don't have to start over.

If I don't own a bicycle, does that mean I no longer have the skill to ride a bike? No. When I own a bike again (put points back into it in the ESO model), then I can pick up right where I left off. Same in ESO.

All Zen is telling you is that you can't focus on many things at once. Same in real life. People who say they know about a lot of things rarely know much about anything. Breadth vs. depth. I think Zen has done a reasonably good job of translating that "realistic" principle into a game mechanic.

Uh...so I just re-adjust my horses points, using the same logic you just posted.

Cheers for that.

/facepalm

You should respc your life and put more points into logic.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Turial wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Adramelach wrote: »

Good thing the rest of the game sticks as close to real life as possible, through the spells I actually use on a day-to-day basis to defeat demons and necromancers in my neighborhood aren't exactly the same as my sorcerer in ESO, but close enough that I can overlook that particular unrealistic detail.

I love when this argument comes up, because it's always ridiculous.

Yes, there is magic in the Elder Scrolls universe. Well spotted. And yes, it's a fantasy world. However, the series has always maintained a more realistic feel/aesthetic compared to other fantasy games. The world of Tamriel has a ruleset that happens to include the regular use of magic. It has not, to date, included a spell to "unfeed" something or someone.

Let me just respec and ta-da the 50 levels of provisioning and greatswords have now been unlearned as if they didn't exist. Your argument is pointless once again as respeccing is "unfeeding" someone.

And as mentioned earlier, I wish they didn't have that respec option. I don't know why people are so allergic to having their choices matter.

Because people sink hours and hours into leveling characters. If they do so only to find out their choices aren't well made, then they have to go through all that level grinding again - that would be terribly frustrating and we'd have a much lower population than we do now.

People learn how to best play not by constantly re-rolling and grinding back up to max level, but by tinkering with the character they've already spend tens of hours on.