Random loss of Ultimate

Devolus
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I may be crazy, but I could have sworn there was a patch to fix this. But I am still losing my Ultimate charges when idling for an extended period of time (ex: Alt tabbing or listening to an NPC dialogue that has lengthy dialogue options). I do not lose my Ultimate if I log out. But, if my character is logged in, and is idle without gaining any Ultimate for maybe 1-2 minutes, it's gone.
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  • SeltzerDuke
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    Wait, this is a bug? I kind of thought it was a "use it or lose it" situation that was intentional, so I grudgingly accepted it. If I notice my ultimate is charged, I try to hang onto it for when, at the very least, I'm in combat with several mobs at once, but I also sometimes just discharge it on any old thing (even a swarm of critters for bait, haha) because I'd rather get some use out of it rather than simply not have it anymore a while later. (The templar uber-heal ultimate I tend to just stock for group dungeon/pvp for this reason.) I've also noticed I seem to be able to hang onto a charged ultimate longer it if, although as it's charged on my main bar, I also have a different, usually my largest fill cost, ultimate running on the second bar (so that it's not charged).
  • ZOS_TristanK
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    If your character doesn't gain ultimate for a while, they will lose it. If we edit this feature (or others) in the future, we'll be sure to include it in the patch notes.
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  • kirnmalidus
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    Yeah this is working as intended. Please close this thread.
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  • Goibot
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    @ZOS_TristanK How do you gain ultimate points? I mean is it by damage alone or are there certain skills you use?
  • Mujuro
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    If your character doesn't gain ultimate for a while, they will lose it. If we edit this feature (or others) in the future, we'll be sure to include it in the patch notes.

    @ZOS_TristanK I don't believe this is what the OP is referring to, as this happens to me and my group adventuring mates quite frequently. Essentially, ultimate resets to 0 periodically between battles. When it occurs, it happens to ALL of us in the group, and at the same time. As you might imagine, this gets incredibly frustrating when fighting VR bosses.
    Edited by Mujuro on June 16, 2014 5:23PM
  • Arsenic_Touch
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    If your character doesn't gain ultimate for a while, they will lose it. If we edit this feature (or others) in the future, we'll be sure to include it in the patch notes.

    Then there are times when you lose it in between pulls, or when you change zones, or way point to the next area. The timer is anywhere from instantly to 5 minutes. Hell I've idled in town with a full ultimate bar and it's stayed up for at least an hour and then I go into a fight, kill something and it's gone. Nothing like pulling a group and having your ultimate vanish right as you engage a boss.
    Edited by Arsenic_Touch on June 16, 2014 5:26PM
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  • Devolus
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    Yeah this is working as intended. Please close this thread.


    Since it's intended then they need to extend the timer @ZOS_TristanK‌ . I shouldn't lose Ultimate for actually listening to an NPC conversation. I enjoy the game for the story and if a convo lasts for anything more than 1-1.5 minute, I just lost all of my Ultimate. As a werewolf this irks me to no end. Also, waiting on people for an Anchor/World Boss = lost Ultimate.
    Edited by Devolus on June 16, 2014 5:50PM
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  • Ashtaris
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    Hmmmm. It really seems to be too random to be "Working As Intended". Seems to me that the timeout for the drop of Ultimate is borked somehow. @TristanK, can you tell us what the timeout is suppose to be?
  • Cogo
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    @ZOS_TristanK

    Hi, could you please confirm that the Ultimate, when full, is intended to drop INSTANTLY from full to 0 after 5 minutes?

    What I have read, and how it works on me (DK), is that my ultimate looses ultimate points over time, when I am not doing anything....and sure, after a few mins afk or not fighting, it is low or 0.

    Can you please elaborate?
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  • Gilvoth
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    it's not intended (atleast i hope it's not)
    i loose ultimate sometimes instantly and sometimes within 2 minutes. it was what i was depending on to help me win fights and be able to protect myself. but, with it gone so easily i just get really angry and frustrated. i even made this thread about it.
    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/110494/ultimate-disapiers-horrible-for-gameplay-especially-us-nightblades#latest
  • Rana1014
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    If your character doesn't gain ultimate for a while, they will lose it. If we edit this feature (or others) in the future, we'll be sure to include it in the patch notes.

    Please do increase the ultimate timer. I can't tell you how many times I'll be in Cyrodiil and I'll be running from one keep to the next with my ultimate ready only to engage in combat and realize it's gone done to 0. It's extremely frustrating.
  • Cogo
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    People here who seen me, calls me fanboy, blind to all, everything Zenimax is doing is great, etc.

    The Ultimate should NOT go instantly from full to 0. It should be like it is now, degrading slowly over time when you are not doing anything. If that takes 3-4 mins.....thats perfectly alright.

    INSTANT from full to 0, like you used it, NO WAY! Thats just plain wrong!
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  • Draxys
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    This cannot be working as intended because it is extremely inconsistent. Like others have mentioned, I've had my ultimate reset both after I've been idle for a long period and sometimes (though rarely) after less than a minute. If it were consistent, it would be a non-issue, but something is a little wonky. I don't usually lose it at a point where it is needed, but there is definitely a bug happening that resets my ultimate when I was clearly not out of combat for long enough.
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  • Gilvoth
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    is this happening due to the server? megaserver effect of things not loading? or is it intentional?
  • Devolus
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    Well to give a quick update, I've been idle for about 15-20 minutes sitting at 184/200 Ultimate. This is a very inconsistent time. Can we please get a dev/gm breakdown on how the system works with the Ultimate disappearing? @ZOS_TristanK‌
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  • Worstluck
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    I've seen my ultimate reset after turning quests. It's not consistent though. I've sat in town for 20 minutes chatting or whatever and it's still there, unchanged, without damaging a thing or entering combat.
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  • SBR_QuorTek
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    I believe it is working as intended, but annoying sort of, can live with it as it is though.
  • Jermu73
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    I have lost my ultimate just before last dungeon boss several times, so i dont think this is to way it should work. What's the point have them at all.
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    I have lost my ultimate just before last dungeon boss several times, so i dont think this is to way it should work. What's the point have them at all.

    Maybe Zenimax is out to get you. They follow you around and steal your resources.
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  • Gilvoth
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    Cogo wrote: »
    I have lost my ultimate just before last dungeon boss several times, so i dont think this is to way it should work. What's the point have them at all.

    Maybe Zenimax is out to get you. They follow you around and steal your resources.

    when i bought skyrim there was a nord who spam followed me demanding i join thier fighters guild and saying he didnt trust me. (dark elf i am) at 1st i thought this was a glitch untill a week later it was patched and it did not happen again. then a bit later there were a continous amount of nords spoted that were infact following me.
    the nord in windhelm was drunk every night and yelling bad things to us dark elf's while we rested in our homes they provided. when i wass fed up to oblivion with it i tried to kill him but for some very odd reason the developers saw fit to not allow that character to be killed in the code. they treated us dark elf's like trash and spoke bad about us in public places ingame. here in eso i have found similar events and bad speech of elf's and thier lifestyle choices.
    in morrowind it was only the higher inteligent dark elves who could make enchanted items of great power, but here in eso we see that there is a voice of a nord pronouncing to us the wording every single time we attempt to make enchant item. this is rather insulting to me as i do believe the whole reason for the book called "the A B C's of a barbarian" was most obviously written for nord's to help them along in thier weakness of higher intelligence
    happen to me in eso . :(
    is this due to the dislike of the single player game morrowind? is this racial thing a glitch or something deeper? i dont realy know any facts about the beliefs and changes since morrowind single player games ended but with the release of the game called "oblivion and untill present time i have not seen anything like morrowind ever was. we have even seen the complete removal of Vvardenfell now in history books and also our slave practices and many of our telvanni
    practices simply removed - this includes levitation and many many highly reguarded ancient elf secrets and books (necromancy as well as duel summoning of dremora, gone ... all gone) :(
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    saying that red mountain exploded?
    and what of the story they conjured up saying that the argonians and khajiit's all ganged up and Killed us and Took over Vvardenfell?
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    this thing they have done to the ebonheart pact .. it's a bit beyond me to even comprehend it all ...
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    Morrowind: The Tribunal Gods of Morrowind ascended to power and became living Gods using the Heart of Lorkhan in the 1st era 675 which is about 3,570 years before the events of Morrowind in the 3rd era.



    So taking the TESO timeline of events happening around the 2nd era 578, the Tribunal Gods of Morrowind are at full power. So what possibly could stop them from just taking over the Imperiel city with their godly like powers?



    Molag Bal? ha...the Tribunal defeated Mehrunes Dagon in open combat on Tameriel after Dagon destroyed the city of Mourhold, putting their power on equal footing with Akatosh(only Almalexia and Soth Sil fought Dagon, Vivec was not present).....so if only two Tribunal members can defeat Dagon, Molag Bal would stand no chance against all 3 during this time period....Molag Bal could not stand toe to toe with the full power of the Tribunal of Morrowind...neither could the Tongues of the Ancient Nords or Wulfharth/ The Ash King/the Under King / a part of Talos-



    (Talos the deity is made up of Tiber Septim, Ysmir/Wulfharth, and Zurin Arctus, and The Last Dragonborn becomes the final forth piece to make up the deity Talos, in other words the The Last Dragonborn ascends to become part of Talos)



    Ysmir/The Underking were defeated by the Tribunal at the Battle of Red Mountain. So honestly, there would be no battle for the Imperiel City under this time line, because the only thing that made the Tribunal Surrender to Tiber Septim was they were secretly being weakened by Dagoth Ur which started around the 2nd era 882. Dagoth Ur was asleep dreaming under Red Mountain prior to the 2nd era 882, so the Tribunal at the time of TESO were at the pinnacle of their power.
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    So according to TESO, everyone is battling for the Imperiel City, when realistically, the Tribunal could literally just float in (yes fly in), snap their fingers and clap, and everyone within a 1,000 mile radius would just be incinerated to ash and the Tribunal could sit on the Ruby Thone....at full power (Which the Tribunal is during the 2nd era 578) thats literally all it would have taken. The Tribunal were Gods...their power rivaled the power held by Akatosh and Shor....except they had physical form...to think they would just sit by and watch and not assume power or protect them selves from Molag Bal is just absurd....Afterall, Alamalexia could see the future I do beleive so she would know what he was planning ahead of time...they are living gods at this time afterall.



    2. Why is there not one single mention of this incident in any lore book or history book?



    Tamriel has some pretty darn good historians....nearly every thing that has ever happened in the past has been written down or documented some where, from the Dragon Break and the Warp in the West, to the TES Famous 2920- The Last Year of the First Era by Carlovac Townaway. We have documented books on the Dwemer, accounts of the Battle of Red Mountain, in the 1st era 700.



    My biggest joy with TES is how extensive the history is....there is not one single mention anywhere about any Dark Anchors, a semi-quasi Daedric invasion by Molag Bal, or anything else for that matter. If this happened, according to lore, it would have been written down some where or talked about in a book. the Empire pretty much outlawed the book The Arcturian Heresy, yet copies of it can be found in some places, as history always finds a way to be preserved somehow.

    This event with Darkc Anchors, etc is just as big of an event as the Oblivion Crisis of the 4th era...surely it would be written down somewhere.
  • Gilvoth
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    just a horrible reality ....
  • Gilvoth
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    and what about all the swearing in the main story line?

    just unbelievable, the true sware words in morrowind were things like
    N~wah and filcher

    here in TESO we see that there is realistic modern day speech and swearing im not even allowed to say here on thier own forum yet it's in the main quest and people say its an enjoyable story to witness and play out?
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    now, i will admit i love elderscrolls online but i struggle with soo many issues about this game that it does at times take me away with alot of disturbed emotions and upset ...


    :(
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    what about all thos ancient dwemer items that were infact illeagle to even posess let alone purchase from the underworld?

    gone ...




    all gone ...
  • Gilvoth
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    just like my ultimate
  • ganja.mullarwb17_ESO
    Im not sure how it actually is supposed to work or w/e but i can tell you a bit about my experience - As far as i have noticed there are two ways to get ultimate points:

    - 1. Use skills that give you points (some give more than others)
    - 2. Critical hit or heal adds ulti points.

    Maybe a random heal here or there could have kept your ultimate up. I also had a reliable source tell me (i havent tested this yet) that if you keep 1 skills from alliance tree's slotted, it will not let ulti disappear.
    Good luck figuring it out :)
    Edited by ganja.mullarwb17_ESO on June 17, 2014 11:38AM
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