ESO wants us to hate this game

LadyDestiny · June 2014

Molag ball is a breeze compared to some VR content. Had no problem with my Nightblade using bow, once I realized what needed to be be done to take him down. A lot easier than my husbands sorc........

fredarbonab14_ESO · June 2014

'FIX the GAME" - so YOU can succeed easily? How old are you?

pahajuju · June 2014

Molag Bal was easy for my DK with a butter knife and a shield. Then I got to the vr-areas and everything was stronger than Molag Bal.
Molag Bal just took some time to get it's massive health down.

denicolad16_ESO · June 2014

I had a tough time the first time I fought him because I didn't know the patterns but then realized when the adds come just hold block. All their attacks reflect back to them and kill them. Malog Bal is actually quite easy.

D0gstar · June 2014

Have spent a couple of hours now preparing for tonight's battle with MB - must say I'm feeling anxious ,but have lots of potions and full soul gems and have a load out specifically for this challenge...will let you know later how it goes! :'(

Mescalamba · June 2014

Hm.. I guess you are not a guy which tries to "how low you can be to do vampire quest" or "can I solo that dolmen?".

But then, I like games being tough.. winning is so much more rewarding after.

Tabbycat · June 2014

OP: What class and build are you using? What part(s) of the fight are you having the most problems with?

You can beat Molag Bal. With a few tips from others, you should do fine.

Thechemicals · June 2014

leonardo.contrerasviub17_ESO wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Final battle sounds Epic. Sorta like fighting against a Daedric Prince.

it's not even epic... I felt like I was hitting a small child with a stick.

Bs, you are no prodigy. Everyone who did this fight for the first time went to google or ran the whole fight. How do i know this? Because i know the design mechanics and phases of this fight on a statistical level. There are things you can and cant do. So don't try to act like you or anyone here steamrolled Molag Bag *first time you met him.

hk11 · June 2014

I believe the standard method is running backwards with a resto staff.

Phinix1 · June 2014

Really his mechanics are pretty simple. Block or dodge his power attacks, get out when he jumps because he follows with a PBAOE, and keep running a circle around him while attacking to avoid the meteors. Cake.

floweringmind · June 2014

As a follow up to this post. I believe once you get the tactics down it is still not easy but can be done. I must have died 20-50 times to kill him. I had to watch a youtube video and realize that there was very little chance of me even doing this unless I switched to healing.

Finally I had to kill him 3 times because the quest is bugged and my soul wouldn't show up because I had the DireFrost Quest. Thankfully, customer service clued me in and after I found a group to do DireFrost I was able to complete the quest the 3rd time.

I am sure for people who like to jump all over the screen it is a piece of cake. But for me that is really not a lot of fun. This is why I bailed on playing Wildstar and stuck with ESO, which for the most part is really great. Just wish they would fix all the grouping bugs.

Yes the posted I started with was really over dramatized, but I had died so many times I was pretty frustrated.

xanikk999 · June 2014

Why are people saying mannimarco was harder? I one shot him without breaking a sweat but molag killed me multiple times until I got my strat down.

I was using light armor and destro staff/resto staff as a DK but molag bal killed me like 5 times until i put my armor buff spell (forgot name) on, because i couldnt heal fast enough otherwise. Meh maybe I was tired or something. Yes even when I dodged the red cone his mace still wore me down without additional armor.
Dragonbanner + the 40% heal passive from using an ultimate saved me a few times.

Edit: Forgot to mention I was at stage 4 vampirism at the time so maybe thats why I had so much trouble keeping my health up and found it hard?

Bloodfang · June 2014

Kuratla wrote: »

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Wait until you encounter your first bear/wolf/animal mob in VR content

That's what I was thinking. Those VR skeevers are going to eat him alive.

How are people dying to skeevers srsly? xD I'm a Templar and my health never went below 90% when fighting 3 of them xD I dont think there is any easier mobs in the game.

kaosodin · June 2014

Kuratla wrote: »

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Wait until you encounter your first bear/wolf/animal mob in VR content

That's what I was thinking. Those VR skeevers are going to eat him alive.

Lololo

Agree

Phantorang · June 2014

Keep moving, never stop moving when fighting mobs and bosses. This will save you alot of trouble. ALWAYS move, to strife left/right or move backwards is super important, specially in VR lvls and pvp

xanikk999 · June 2014

Phantorang wrote: »

Keep moving, never stop moving when fighting mobs and bosses. This will save you alot of trouble. ALWAYS move, to strife left/right or move backwards is super important, specially in VR lvls and pvp

Or just spam the fire destro staff knock back move so no melee can hit you,

It's working pretty well for my DK.

GreySix · June 2014

Go in as a stick-waving, dress-wearing wizard, and he'll die of fright alone.

Singular · June 2014

floweringmind wrote: »

As a follow up to this post. I believe once you get the tactics down it is still not easy but can be done. I must have died 20-50 times to kill him. I had to watch a youtube video and realize that there was very little chance of me even doing this unless I switched to healing.

Finally I had to kill him 3 times because the quest is bugged and my soul wouldn't show up because I had the DireFrost Quest. Thankfully, customer service clued me in and after I found a group to do DireFrost I was able to complete the quest the 3rd time.

I am sure for people who like to jump all over the screen it is a piece of cake. But for me that is really not a lot of fun. This is why I bailed on playing Wildstar and stuck with ESO, which for the most part is really great. Just wish they would fix all the grouping bugs.

Yes the posted I started with was really over dramatized, but I had died so many times I was pretty frustrated.

Wow, you had a seriously frustrating experience there! You had to kill him 3 times??? That sucks!

He killed me 2 or 3 times (can't recall if I got him on the third or was killed on the third...). I had to switch to summonings and resto staff - then the fight was just about dodging, healing, and resummoning when they died. I don't think I could have done it via straight up dps but the resto staff kind of made it a relatively boring fight about kiting backwards, dodging and running away.

I say "boring" b/c I'd like more abilities than 5! The resto set up + summons only gave me 1 damage spell. So, heal, summon, summon, damage, dark exchange, ultimate and short/max staff attack. DULL.

I'm a sorc - do I just routinely forget all my abilities? What's up with that???

Phantorang · June 2014

xanikk999 wrote: »

Phantorang wrote: »

Keep moving, never stop moving when fighting mobs and bosses. This will save you alot of trouble. ALWAYS move, to strife left/right or move backwards is super important, specially in VR lvls and pvp

Or just spam the fire destro staff knock back move so no melee can hit you,

It's working pretty well for my DK.

Ok, not sure how to do it like that with a Templar, because I would run empty of magicka long before the mobs are dead that way. 1 mob sure, 2+ no way. And Wouldnt be able to take the damage from both archers/casters while only focusing on the Melee mob either.

Might work with a DK though, they are pretty overpowered compared to the Templar.

My tip was meant in general, I always keep moving, this keeps me out of AoEs. And forces the melee to move too.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · June 2014

Would I be classed as rude, if I say that people are useless? No wonder all this QQ that classes are weak. (ok the Templar proven is, but not to rage quit for).

I killed Molag Ball in White Medium armour that was skill level 25.
(just started leveling it at level 48).
Using DW, two white swords, that was level around 30, with only 1 style and 2 passives (no spare SP), and at any point I didn't worry against him.

Huh. I am a Khajiit Templar where back then my only spells were healing. Hadn't see the need to use Dawn Wrath or Aedric Spear abilities. Breath of Life and Healing Ritual were from Level 1 to 50 my only spells. The rest where hacked with the Sword & Shield, and died only couple of times during the whole month it took me to clear completely the AD campaign.

There are some V3 trash mobs (Dremora, Hoarers) that will kill you before you realise you are in a combat. Good luck with that.

Btw did you followed the quest? Did you got the buff? Or you just jump straight to Molag Bal?

gclifton58ub17_ESO · June 2014

I beat him twice. Once on my DW NB pre-craglorn and once on my S+B Templar. Funny thing is, it was a breeze on my NB. I may have died once. On my Templar, however, I died about 10 times at least. I had to take a break after a few deaths and zoomed the map out and ported away (for a fee of course). You should be able to port from anywhere if you know how to zoom the map out. If the rt click doesn't work, use the menu on the right to pick a map and port to it (one with a wayshrine visible). That is how I got out. You can also port to guild members for free. No need for a group or anything (you do need to be eligible to port to that map however).

Later, I came back, made some very slight changes and beat him after only a couple of deaths. The main thing I changed was getting those daedroths down as fast as possible and bringing more (and better) pots to be sure to do so. Apparently my NB was one hitting them but my Templar took 2-3 hits to get rid of them.

Fi'yra · June 2014

tbh, for some the the last harborage quest is hard for some, and easy for others (Considering most class vary on how you play, and what you play)

Most class' only support certain kind of weapons, when others just support mainly 2 or 3

- You can't moan that the game is easy, when in fact, you're probably just good at the game, and understand how to play better than most.

PVE isn't supposed to be hard, it's just supposed to be enjoyable, so you can do so until veteran 12, when you can enter Cyrodil, and break a few skulls.

- QQ threads are boring, grow a pair.

)))

Blackwidow wrote: »

As a templar, the fight was challenging, but not too hard. However, that is not really the point.

It should not be a solo quest. All those NPCs were willing to travel with you for the fight, why can't we bring our own friends?

Honestly? The harborage is a solo quest line. Friends are overated, learn to have fun playing solo

fromtesonlineb16_ESO · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Final battle sounds Epic. Sorta like fighting against a Daedric Prince.

LOL, sorry, it's entirely not 'epic', especially as you know you're not going to kill him, as usual in single-player games it's entirely a cheesy way of you 'beating' the big bad foozle in a world where that just isn't possible.

Yes, it's BUGGED TO OBLIVION and most players won't win first time but frankly once you understand the fairly simple mechanics it's entirely a battle of attrition where you chip away at his XP while keeping alive.

The moment the Titans spawn is critical, you need to quickly react to their arrival and counter their attacks, get through that and it's really not hard if you keep focused on moving around.

DeLindsay · June 2014

floweringmind wrote: »

I am just blown away by the *** final battle that is so difficult that it makes the game no fun at all. You can't bring anyone else and you are stuck in the stupid instance until you spend a certain amount of time logged out of your character that the system gets a clue you don't do the stupid end battle to teleport you out.

FIX THE *** GAME

If that fight is actually bugged for you then I hear ya. If it's not actually bugged and you are just complaining about it's difficulty just wait it gets better. Once you zone to Veteran Ranks you will be killed REPEATEDLY by 2-3 1400+ health standard zone enemies like Skeevers who hit you seemingly at random for 1600-2200+. I wish I were joking but 1.1.2 completely screwed up VR difficulty even though ZoS swears up and down they reverted it back to pre patch numbers.

The Molag Bal fight isn't remotely difficult. I won't go into details as to not give it away for others but as long as you have even 1 self heal on your bar you will win. That self heal can even come in the form of a HoT like NB's Swallow Soul.

Synfaer · June 2014

How are people dying to skeevers srsly? xD I'm a Templar and my health never went below 90% when fighting 3 of them xD I dont think there is any easier mobs in the game.

Those VR skeevers are tough SOBs, I once saw one of them take down a pack of DK's without straining whisker.

Drake81 · June 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

leonardo.contrerasviub17_ESO wrote: »

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Final battle sounds Epic. Sorta like fighting against a Daedric Prince.

it's not even epic... I felt like I was hitting a small child with a stick.

Bs, you are no prodigy. Everyone who did this fight for the first time went to google or ran the whole fight. How do i know this? Because i know the design mechanics and phases of this fight on a statistical level. There are things you can and cant do. So don't try to act like you or anyone here steamrolled Molag Bag *first time you met him.

Well, sry but actually, i did. Didnt use google at all. I mean for what? The only thing i needed google for was to find cards with mundus stones and tresure maps, there is nothing in this game who needs a deep research for.

Just comparing, for Might & Magic X, i needed google, a lot. xD

killedbyping · June 2014

What the hell are you talking about ? Final battle is the easiest quest in this game ...
If you didnt noticed that yet, you recieve huge buff to all your weapon and spell power. Just pick ANY healing or lifestealing spell (like the second spell of mage guild for example). 1 cast and you full.

bugulu · June 2014

Thechemicals wrote: »

Bs, you are no prodigy. Everyone who did this fight for the first time went to google or ran the whole fight. How do i know this? Because i know the design mechanics and phases of this fight on a statistical level. There are things you can and cant do. So don't try to act like you or anyone here steamrolled Molag Bag *first time you met him.

Good job speaking for everyone with your almighty knowledge.
I didn't google it, didn't get any tips at all and still managed to do it on the first try as Nightblade bow user. How? Kite + Funnel health.

Know the design mechanics and phases on a statistical level? Do you realize how ridiculous you just sound?

Xnemesis · June 2014

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

Molag Bal was a huge pushover for my nightblade. I did it first try because I found out swallow soul restored all of your HP because you did so much damage. I only had one close encounter where I had to use a potion at low health, and that was before I figured out about the swallow soul trick. Nightblades are too powerful. I feel as if they should be nerfed.

Congrats you found the one situation where on ability is op for a NB and that lasted a whole what 2 min? Now that you finished the tutorial and are done with Molag Bal enjoy your OP NB in Veteran Rank content. See if we cry nerf then.

Gigglesnort · June 2014

Just finished Bal with my 48 sorc, first try, was over in Vet land at 49, went back to CH to get to 50 and finish the quest there. Use strategy, I used the old hit and run method, dodge and hide behind rock when needed. Long fight, bring an extra pair running shoes, you will wear your first ones out.