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Phantorang wrote: »

Ralathar44 wrote: »

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Inzababa wrote: »

ps keep in mind there's only ONE mega server for all of europe and ONE for the US, I wasn't expecting these low pop level for ONE UNIQUE server

That's an important point I think many don't even realise. When I walk around my current vet zone and only see a couple other guys running around, you get a feel for just how low the population has actually gotten. I don't need to see hard numbers or graphs, I can just jump in game and see the population decline myself.

Amazing how people suddenly forget about complaining about phasing when it doesn't serve their arguments.

Have to agree with you on this, not sure if I like it though

Ha, I actively hate it. I really wish more games were freeform open teaming like City of Heroes was. Though I think they plan on implementing a similar system for this game eventually IIRC. One where the team level is the group leader level.

I'm current playing in Shadowfel for now, and this zone map are really empty, so hard to find people to make group parties in Dolmens, Quests or Mini-Bosses.

ZoS need to fix Vet Content and bring "real" content for it, more players will disappear.

It's really frustrating and boring play VR Zones:

• Hard Difficult, mobs hits really hard.
• Hard XP Curve Line for VET Players (of course, you can go Craglorn and use any kind of exploits or "trials" to make your "fast level experience great LOL).
• No more Skills Lines to complete your game play "as" a Veteran Player, since I totally agree and would like to suggest to bring UNIQUE Skill Lines for Veteran Players (Exclusive to the Classes).
• No more attributes points to make your char better, since mobs has more HP and DMG, but us Veteran have a "head-pain".
• You don't feel like a Veteran but making all again, including (Free the Town from the Rats - WTF? I'm a Veteran who! saved! you! Where's all Trainees?"
• Unbalanced Classes;
• Less Nerfs and more Actions, they need some changes like DK and SORC, but don't need to make them useless, coz soon NB and Templars will be OP and DK and SORC not, so they need to "balance" it, not make "one or other" better.
• Group Finder tool, need to be polish! soon as possible, they need to make automatic join and teleport to the dungeon or anything else, when the queue line has completed (tanker, dps, dps, healer) like many games outsides.
• Well many things but I have hope yet.

The game can be better but for now, it's just an "OK", and means that ZoS needs to pay attention coz "OK" can be bad or good, but for now .. the curve line is descend.

AelyinESO wrote: »

I'm current playing in Shadowfel for now, and this zone map are really empty, so hard to find people to make group parties in Dolmens, Quests or Mini-Bosses.

ZoS need to fix Vet Content and bring "real" content for it, more players will disappear.

It's really frustrating and boring play VR Zones:

• Hard Difficult, mobs hits really hard.
• Hard XP Curve Line for VET Players (of course, you can go Craglorn and use any kind of exploits or "trials" to make your "fast level experience great LOL).
• No more Skills Lines to complete your game play "as" a Veteran Player, since I totally agree and would like to suggest to bring UNIQUE Skill Lines for Veteran Players (Exclusive to the Classes).
• No more attributes points to make your char better, since mobs has more HP and DMG, but us Veteran have a "head-pain".
• You don't feel like a Veteran but making all again, including (Free the Town from the Rats - WTF? I'm a Veteran who! saved! you! Where's all Trainees?"
• Unbalanced Classes;
• Less Nerfs and more Actions, they need some changes like DK and SORC, but don't need to make them useless, coz soon NB and Templars will be OP and DK and SORC not, so they need to "balance" it, not make "one or other" better.
• Group Finder tool, need to be polish! soon as possible, they need to make automatic join and teleport to the dungeon or anything else, when the queue line has completed (tanker, dps, dps, healer) like many games outsides.
• Well many things but I have hope yet.

The game can be better but for now, it's just an "OK", and means that ZoS needs to pay attention coz "OK" can be bad or good, but for now .. the curve line is descend.

Don't think ZOS is listening anymore bro. They don't seem to have their priorities straight. They are spending copious amounts of time fixing quest bugs, and dealing with bots, which they should have done months ago. Isn't that what beta was for? And, after launch, they really didn't notice the bot train in Coldharbor that went on for weeks, bots farming all over the world in broad daylight, and the constant zone chat/e-mail spam?

Anyway, while they are busy doing what should have been done for launch or shortly after, the class balance issues go unresolved, the veteran content is way too slow, arduous, difficult, and unrewarding, and people are slowly leaving the game.

I'm sure when they finally do get around to the important things that need fixing they will have a beautiful, bug free flawless quest line and most if not all of the bots exterminated, but no one will be left around to appreciate it.

Mortosk wrote: »

AelyinESO wrote: »

I'm current playing in Shadowfel for now, and this zone map are really empty, so hard to find people to make group parties in Dolmens, Quests or Mini-Bosses.

ZoS need to fix Vet Content and bring "real" content for it, more players will disappear.

It's really frustrating and boring play VR Zones:

• Hard Difficult, mobs hits really hard.
• Hard XP Curve Line for VET Players (of course, you can go Craglorn and use any kind of exploits or "trials" to make your "fast level experience great LOL).
• No more Skills Lines to complete your game play "as" a Veteran Player, since I totally agree and would like to suggest to bring UNIQUE Skill Lines for Veteran Players (Exclusive to the Classes).
• No more attributes points to make your char better, since mobs has more HP and DMG, but us Veteran have a "head-pain".
• You don't feel like a Veteran but making all again, including (Free the Town from the Rats - WTF? I'm a Veteran who! saved! you! Where's all Trainees?"
• Unbalanced Classes;
• Less Nerfs and more Actions, they need some changes like DK and SORC, but don't need to make them useless, coz soon NB and Templars will be OP and DK and SORC not, so they need to "balance" it, not make "one or other" better.
• Group Finder tool, need to be polish! soon as possible, they need to make automatic join and teleport to the dungeon or anything else, when the queue line has completed (tanker, dps, dps, healer) like many games outsides.
• Well many things but I have hope yet.

The game can be better but for now, it's just an "OK", and means that ZoS needs to pay attention coz "OK" can be bad or good, but for now .. the curve line is descend.

Don't think ZOS is listening anymore bro. They don't seem to have their priorities straight. They are spending copious amounts of time fixing quest bugs, and dealing with bots, which they should have done months ago. Isn't that what beta was for? And, after launch, they really didn't notice the bot train in Coldharbor that went on for weeks, bots farming all over the world in broad daylight, and the constant zone chat/e-mail spam?

Anyway, while they are busy doing what should have been done for launch or shortly after, the class balance issues go unresolved, the veteran content is way too slow, arduous, difficult, and unrewarding, and people are slowly leaving the game.

I'm sure when they finally do get around to the important things that need fixing they will have a beautiful, bug free flawless quest line and most if not all of the bots exterminated, but no one will be left around to appreciate it.

@Mortosk that's really bad, really I like this game I wanna keep playing and I don't care about SUB, but I wanna a game that will entertaining everybody!

I still have hope, but only time will say.

I find it far more enjoyable playing now that there is only 10-15 others in my zone rather than 100-150. Is the game dying? No, the customers enjoyment and patience is. IMO, ES should never have allowed it's content to go MMO.

Rather than first applying a concept to a new MMO, a company should first develop methods to prevent the same happenings of previous MMO's. There is enough "history" and "knowledge" in the MMO industry to put out a better product.

The comment "this happens in all new MMO's" is the biggest reason this title has not done well post release. It also does not help that paying customers are beta testers for the "X-Box/PlayStation" release.

I can say that in several of my guilds (trade guilds) the guild store activity has seen a dramatic reduction. These are full (near 500) members, that have almost no activity in the past 2-3 weeks.

babylon wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Nope, I've seen growth in beginner zones.

That's where all the vet level players went

I know when I hit Vet content I rolled a couple alts.
I still play my Vet character, but I needed to have some manner of relaxing content to play when I don't want to concentrate so hard on survival.

born2beagator wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Nope, I've seen growth in beginner zones.

That's where all the vet level players went

I know when I hit Vet content I rolled a couple alts.
I still play my Vet character, but I needed to have some manner of relaxing content to play when I don't want to concentrate so hard on survival.

I have to say this is the only game I have ever played where you get WEAKER as you level up (talking about vet) as compared to enemies

That's just it, though, I don't feel weaker.
I still look at the things I can do and go, man, that's awesome.

Last night I had a good string on my VR Nightblade where I was just dominating everything but in a very methodical way and it felt really good and I felt like a badass because I was absolutely ruining bad guys that I knew would destroy me if I slipped up even once.

And then I finished it all off with a solo fight against a healer boss whom I had just barely more DPS than she had HPS... Musta took me five minutes of hard combat to drop her but when I did I exclaimed out-loud, "Hell yes! I'm a monster!" (and my wife gave me a strange look), and that was all great.

It's more realistic and more satisfying when you win; but yeah, it can be down-right heartbreaking to get murdered over and over. Which is why I rolled a few alts; to play with builds and tinker when I'm feeling like a more relaxed experience.

But every time I fire up the game and look at that character select screen, I always go right for my VR Nightblade first, ready to tackle the damned world and stab it in the neck.

1-50 is where the game is unfortunately.....VR content is lame and they are losing players to either alts, or just completely leaving until they see something worthwhile to return to.

born2beagator wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Nope, I've seen growth in beginner zones.

That's where all the vet level players went

I know when I hit Vet content I rolled a couple alts.
I still play my Vet character, but I needed to have some manner of relaxing content to play when I don't want to concentrate so hard on survival.

I have to say this is the only game I have ever played where you get WEAKER as you level up (talking about vet) as compared to enemies

The idea that one should get weaker as one levels was put forth by a developer, not in this game, a few years ago. He thought it would be interesting, b/c you'd have to become better and better at the game. True skill would be doing more with less, etc.

I don't think they adopted his ideas - I mean, if you go back to earlier levels, you just walk through everything (it's fun to play on god mode sometimes) - and I kind of like everything getting harder. In Vet ranks, I feel more powerful b/c I'm at the highest level for most of my skills. Now it's a matter of out thinking content rather than steamrolling it.

born2beagator wrote: »

Getting weaker as you level is a terrible idea.

Concur. For those of us who remember defeating Sephiroth in FF7, can you imagine if you'd have got weaker up to the point you faced that monster?

sagitter wrote: »

Inzababa wrote: »

I don't know if there's any way to check the population of subscriptions in ESO but every guild I speak to is either losing members or dying, when I go to vet zones they are completely empty, and Cyrodiil population seems to have dropped a lot too?

Checking ppl on guilds it's not a valid system to evaluate popolation, with the 5 guild system. I changed 3 guilds in a row in the last week.

You can see the status of the inactives in a guild. You leaving and joining another is not what anyone is talking about. We can see how long it's been since you logged in. I have 20 friends on my personal list, and a small guild of 25 and a large guild of 200+. All but three on my personal list have logged in under two weeks, which as of today, includes me. Everyone else is 2 weeks plus. The larger guild used to have actives online ranging from 60-120. Today's glance, there were 18-23 for the hour or so I was on, and most of the other people were m.i.a. for longer than a few weeks as well. This is what people are reporting and are concerned with.

Simple numbers. Started this game with 45 other seasoned gamers. People I have played other MMOs for at least a year some closer to 6. We have 3 people left who made it to Vet content and 4 more who have only made it as far as level 15. Everyone has left and gone back to the other games. Not because Vet content is hard. Vet content is not hard its boring drudgery. Somehow ESO has equated long fights with hard. Killing a mob with 3000 hit points is not harder than killing a mob with 1500 hit points its longer. When I am going through solo vet quests I barely pay attention its just the same rotation over and over until the mob is dead. I love the boss and mini-boss fights in this game they tend to be fun and imaginative and a little challenging.

Vet Trash:
However the trash is just plain awful. Long is not hard, every trash fight being long is just plain drudgery. We call it trash for a reason (not because it has 1 gold) that reason is it the faceless minions, the unwashed masses of sentient thieves and thugs. I am a grand champion hero who has saved 2 factions already why does it take so long to kill a common thug? I recommend reducing the HPs or every non-named mob in all of vet content. Not to make it easier but to speed up the time in between moments where this game really shines.

Server Population:
Anyone who thinks the population of the game have not drastically dropped I am guessing between 75% and 90% is only seeing what they want. At prime play time there was only one instance of Rivenspire Vet8 zone. One instance for the entire mega-server. Friends who would wait for another player to come along on the same step of the quest for help would wait in excess of an hour. It used to be a continuous stream of people in every zone.

The unforgivables:
The stealth changes and lack of communication. They make changes to a class and we have no idea, we go to run a vet dungeon and our abilities don't work the same way any longer. Besides the stealth changes / nerfs the even changed the link to the patch notes but didn't change the link on the patcher. Why? Because they didn't want information readily available. There can't be any other reason and switching a URL is something most 6 year old children are capable of. They need to fess up to whats broken. The only way we know which procs work, which sort of work, which are fully broken is diligence of the players. They need to let us know if a heal associated with a specific nerf is broken, and that they are working on it. People are patient when they know things are being addressed, right now its the equivalent to not have on-hold music. We just get a buzz that might be our imagination. A little advice; people don't mind fixing balance issues but when ever possible it should be done by making classes better.

gannerstalack wrote: »

Vet Trash:
However the trash is just plain awful. Long is not hard, every trash fight being long is just plain drudgery. We call it trash for a reason (not because it has 1 gold) that reason is it the faceless minions, the unwashed masses of sentient thieves and thugs. I am a grand champion hero who has saved 2 factions already why does it take so long to kill a common thug? I recommend reducing the HPs or every non-named mob in all of vet content. Not to make it easier but to speed up the time in between moments where this game really shines.

Say the people using the broken builds.

Yet there are quite alot of people out there just trying to survive because they decided to play things that were not dk or light armor or staff. Alot of this problem is people creating their own issue.

Server Population:
Anyone who thinks the population of the game have not drastically dropped I am guessing between 75% and 90% is only seeing what they want. At prime play time there was only one instance of Rivenspire Vet8 zone. One instance for the entire mega-server. Friends who would wait for another player to come along on the same step of the quest for help would wait in excess of an hour. It used to be a continuous stream of people in every zone.

It's actually quite common for games to drop 30%-50% in it's first months. Only breakout hits really buck this trend.

Also Vet zones are dead because people play alts. Yes, I could likely have a V12 by now but I don't because I have a stable of alts. I play ALOT. Normal people are still a good ways behind me.

Again, part if this problem is people creating their own issues. However the other part is phasing, great for immersion, bad for seeing who is actually in your zone.

The unforgivables:
The stealth changes and lack of communication.

They make changes to a class and we have no idea, we go to run a vet dungeon and our abilities don't work the same way any longer. Besides the stealth changes / nerfs the even changed the link to the patch notes but didn't change the link on the patcher. Why? Because they didn't want information readily available. There can't be any other reason and switching a URL is something most 6 year old children are capable of.

Every game ever. Work documentation for a living for awhile, when you deal with thousands upon thousands of values a day you screw up sometimes. Even when you have 2-3 levels of people to catch mistakes things regularly make it through. Because people are human. I've worked this before, I've lived it. It sucks. You can have a 1% error rate and be checked by 2 people and mistakes will make it through.

For reference that's 1 mistake for every 300 entries assuming 1% error rate and 3 people checking. Also for reference the Craglorn patch featured well over 300 invidual entries (did not count sub-entries). I stopped counting at 300, the total appears to reach between 500-600 guesstimating the remainder.

That means that given a 1% error rate and 3 people double checking every single thing you would have around 2 errors in the Craglorn patch alone.

You prolly screw up more than that at YOUR job. For reference people who get their eyes lasered (LASIK) have about a 5% rate of complications.

Missed patch notes are going to happen, get over yourself and hold them to the same standards you hold yourself.

People like you reacting like this to normal humor error rates are exactly why companies don't communicate. Because people like you are just waiting to tear them to shreds for no reason.


Once more alot of this is people creating or even inventing their own issues.

That's not to say they never screw up, they do, sometimes epically (any race any alliance pre-order BS), but you are creating most of your own issues.