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Having to respec to change a Morph....
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭The punishing limitations is to give value to the choices you make. Since every character can do everything you stand out by the character choices you make. Are you a healer are you a tank. Do you value AOE over single target.
Its these decisions that give value to the builds we make, down to the very limitations of the skill bar itself.
Its NOT really something MMOers are used to. But this is a new game trying to be different.0 -
Well I certainly dont love it when there is a 2-3s skill lag every time you try to swap (and then you click again and again wondering wtf is happening and it swaps back in the middle of popping a skill)
WOW just WOW way to be logical there just takes all the fun out of the fight LOL.
I LOVE our limited hot bar it goes well with the combat. I couldn't imagine having to hit a key past 5 with this gameplay.
Wish all MMO's would steal this combat system.
I dont know about you but I play on the so called "EU" server and I can tell you for a fact that in any sort of group/heavy effect enviroment (dolmens, PvP, whatever), weapon swapping is completely broken.
Either way that's only icing on the [snip] that is the high and incredibly annoying respec costs. As someone mentioned before, they advertise characters as being able to do anything. Be anything. Tank, dps, magic, stamina, single target, AoE, your choice! Then why are we completely locked to specs via high costs? We're not allowed to do anything. I cant earn 20K gold in the 1-3 hours I play ESO every other day (since laggy PvP on the "EU" server makes me want to puke the rest of the time I dont play much anymore) - nor would I want to spend my hard earned gold on a respec even if that was the case.
Its not MMO and guild friendly one bit.
"Hey you want to do this dungeon with us, we're waiting outside? Can you be healer?".
"Uh yeah sure, I got the light armor and staff but I'm morphed for damage and single target PvP stuff, the rest is locked up in some crafting skills I can skip a while... Give me a week or two to gather the gold and I'll join your dungeon!"
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 16, 2014 8:03PM3 -
Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭
Take ambush and forget about the using teleport strike in dungeons. There are far better AOE crowd control abilities for dungeon play, like volcanic rune. For solo play, bombard (bow), and mass hysteria are also good crowd control.Problem is that some morphs completely change your ability to deal with different content. Take Ambush (NB class skill) Its is a great ability for PvP and single target. One of the class defining abilities of the NB. But its other morph is lotus fan. The NB has very few AoE abilities and lotus fan is one of them. If you take ambush you are severely gimping your dungeon viability since most of them require AoE. Should you really be locked out of half the games content because of a decision you are forced to make?0 -
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✭✭Bad design choice. One of a couple of things (like melee/bow craptitude, inventory management, lack of meaningful character progression past lev 50) that gradually discourage people from playing the game. Reduce the price by a factor of 10 or allow single skill line respecs and morph swapping.Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on June 16, 2014 5:42PMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.2 -
mips_winnt✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Seems a little like overkill to me, I can't see why the option to spend 2 skill points on either morph and the ability to toggle between the two is not an option.
The toggle option is a good idea OR just have a low cost respec option to reset all skill morphs (i.e. remove all morphs & refund the skill points spent on your morphs).Edited by mips_winnt on June 16, 2014 5:50PM0 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭I hate the current respec system. It's too damn expensive and leaves no room for testing what you like. In past TES, you could test what you wanted and then revert to an older save if you felt that you did not like it, but in this game, not only do you have to get to the town in a higher level zone, but you have to respec all your skills. This is just a frustrating hassle that doesn't even need to be this way. We should have the option to remove single abilities that we do not want, period. Charge more if you must, but stop forcing us to waste thousands just for one or two skill points!2 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »The thing is they don't want people changing morphs cause the direction of the wind changed.
They don't want people to easily change builds. This is to give meaning to every build and to be known for something.
Since EVERY class can do EVERYTHING it makes sense they should make the rescepcing almost nonexistent.
People complained there was no role identity as everybody can be everything and this GIVES and identity to each player for the choices they made leveling up their character.
Respecing should be something a player RARELY does not something to do cause its a minute later.
Being able to respect a single ability allows that even if you "think" its costly it really isn't.
The current cost works that's why people are complaining.
The skills not working is a problem.
People complain when it works? How do know when it's not working?
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Shaun98ca2 wrote: »The thing is they don't want people changing morphs cause the direction of the wind changed.
They don't want people to easily change builds. This is to give meaning to every build and to be known for something.
Since EVERY class can do EVERYTHING it makes sense they should make the rescepcing almost nonexistent.
People complained there was no role identity as everybody can be everything and this GIVES and identity to each player for the choices they made leveling up their character.
Respecing should be something a player RARELY does not something to do cause its a minute later.
Being able to respect a single ability allows that even if you "think" its costly it really isn't.
The current cost works that's why people are complaining.
The skills not working is a problem.
People complain when it works? How do know when it's not working?
That's a SMALL gripe in the grand scheme of things. Several months down the line its not going to matter.
Lets look at it from the perspective ALL the abilities are working as is then there isn't much more reason to need to be changing your skills all the time.0 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭born2beagator wrote: »born2beagator wrote: »and it's not just the insane cost....the tedium of re-entering EVERY skill point all over again is irritating. Oh and you had better not getting going to quick while entering those and make a mistake.
Of course, that didn't happen to you, did it?
Nope. I've refused to respec because of the cost. Its absurd. I have ONE MORPH I want to change. Thats it. I'm not spending upwards of 15K for one morph. Unfortunately that one morph is venom shot in the bow skill line. I've got no ranged interrupt
I've respecced and that skill is very useful in PvP. All depends what you're willing to pay for. I haven't paid for any motifs.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
Aoifesan✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »The costs of respeccing don't bother me that much (you don't respec every day)... it's just inconvenient that one has to redistribute over 100 skill points just because you want to chance 1 morph (actually, I once made an error when redistributing my skill points and had to start new...)
That would suck. I guess that's a mistake you don't make twice.
I made that mistake twice. The lesson? Don't respec while drinking / on mind altering substances.1 -
Aoifesan✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »Its always been overkill and its stupid.
For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).
Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.
Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...
weapon swapping works fine for me. I fine this need for more slots interesting. In most cased we use a 3-5 skill rotation so the fact we have 12 plus our light and heavy attacks seems enough to me.
WOW just WOW way to be logical there just takes all the fun out of the fight LOL.
I LOVE our limited hot bar it goes well with the combat. I couldn't imagine having to hit a key past 5 with this gameplay.
Wish all MMO's would steal this combat system.
That would certainly allow everyone that hates being limited to quit them all.
This is the reason I don't play games with limited UIs.0 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »The costs of respeccing don't bother me that much (you don't respec every day)... it's just inconvenient that one has to redistribute over 100 skill points just because you want to chance 1 morph (actually, I once made an error when redistributing my skill points and had to start new...)
That would suck. I guess that's a mistake you don't make twice.
I made that mistake twice. The lesson? Don't respec while drinking / on mind altering substances.
I LOVE playing this game drunk. Do great in dungeons while everybody else is dead. Wonder if that's cause im the "healer" whatever. LOL jk1 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Shaun98ca2 wrote: »The thing is they don't want people changing morphs cause the direction of the wind changed.
They don't want people to easily change builds. This is to give meaning to every build and to be known for something.
Since EVERY class can do EVERYTHING it makes sense they should make the rescepcing almost nonexistent.
People complained there was no role identity as everybody can be everything and this GIVES and identity to each player for the choices they made leveling up their character.
Respecing should be something a player RARELY does not something to do cause its a minute later.
Being able to respect a single ability allows that even if you "think" its costly it really isn't.
The current cost works that's why people are complaining.
The skills not working is a problem.
People complain when it works? How do know when it's not working?
That's a SMALL gripe in the grand scheme of things. Several months down the line its not going to matter.
Lets look at it from the perspective ALL the abilities are working as is then there isn't much more reason to need to be changing your skills all the time.
Yeah conceptually i understand your point but skills are not working or have been nerfed. After you've paid for something it should not change unless you get a refund for it.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
NobleX35✭✭✭✭Dual specs wouldn't really make sense in this game because of how many skill points there are and the fact that you can only morph a skill once. In games like Lotro, Swtor, and any other mom that uses very deep skill trees does make sense to allow for dual specs because the number of skills (trait points alloted) is far fewer and the lines are much deeper.
I do however agree with the idea that something needs to change and maybe being able to respec a single skill or skill line for a much more reasonable fee is the answer. However problems could also arise out that by allowing people to simply unspec out crafting professions and then only respec for them when they need it...Edited by NobleX35 on June 16, 2014 8:07PM"Only the dead have seen the end of war."1 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Shaun98ca2 wrote: »jelliedsoup wrote: »Shaun98ca2 wrote: »The thing is they don't want people changing morphs cause the direction of the wind changed.
They don't want people to easily change builds. This is to give meaning to every build and to be known for something.
Since EVERY class can do EVERYTHING it makes sense they should make the rescepcing almost nonexistent.
People complained there was no role identity as everybody can be everything and this GIVES and identity to each player for the choices they made leveling up their character.
Respecing should be something a player RARELY does not something to do cause its a minute later.
Being able to respect a single ability allows that even if you "think" its costly it really isn't.
The current cost works that's why people are complaining.
The skills not working is a problem.
People complain when it works? How do know when it's not working?
That's a SMALL gripe in the grand scheme of things. Several months down the line its not going to matter.
Lets look at it from the perspective ALL the abilities are working as is then there isn't much more reason to need to be changing your skills all the time.
Yeah conceptually i understand your point but skills are not working or have been nerfed. After you've paid for something it should not change unless you get a refund for it.
Well the Nerfing of an ability I say NO to a refund. If the ability is flat out changed or different then I would say yes.
If you feel you have stop using ability cause it was Nerfed that's a personal issue, the ability still works the same but now its just better balanced.0 -
Buck✭✭✭Attributes - 100 each
Skills - 100 each
...Morfs - 100 each? is that too much to ask for? We'll have too many skill points in the end game, and that's very cool, but along the way trying to build/learn then a morf reset would be a great option instead of a full reset of skills.1 -
Sleevez340✭✭✭It blows me away that while sitting in front of your computer doing nothing, you can still find away to be more lazy.. By complaining about having to use time to do things. First world problems are pretty rough.Kaiser Dragon ~ VR14 Bosmer Templar
Dark Priest
Aldmeri Dominion0 -
Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭Sleevez340 wrote: »It blows me away that while sitting in front of your computer doing nothing, you can still find away to be more lazy.. By complaining about having to use time to do things. First world problems are pretty rough.
Oh like buying too much food and having it spoil.0 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭Sleevez340 wrote: »It blows me away that while sitting in front of your computer doing nothing, you can still find away to be more lazy.. By complaining about having to use time to do things. First world problems are pretty rough.
You mean as kids in the world are starving I should pay the amount to respec?
What if I sponsor several kids do I get a reduced amount to respec? Apples and oranges....Edited by jelliedsoup on June 16, 2014 9:13PMwww.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO41 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sleevez340 wrote: »It blows me away that while sitting in front of your computer doing nothing, you can still find away to be more lazy.. By complaining about having to use time to do things. First world problems are pretty rough.
Perhaps we come to forums to forget our first world problems for a little while? Wait, never mind. You obviously know what you're talking about so please enlighten us more doctor.0 -
kitsinni✭✭✭✭✭It is especially absurd considering how many skills don't function the way they were advertised when you put the points in them, have been changed or the tooltip is just plain wrong on.0
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Lyall84✭✭✭✭In my previous MMO when you respecced, all of your skill points were refunded to you and you had to put them back. Also at first it was quite expensive, but later on in the game it became free of charge.
So at least I'm not getting my panties in a twist that all the points get refunded and that you have to pay for it. Who knows if it becomes free in this game eventually too.
Other mmos you did not get charged per skill assigned or have 250+ skills available. It was a flat rate, or it increases with the number of times you did it, sometimes even decreases over time as you dont respec.0 -
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✭✭Sleevez340 wrote: »It blows me away that while sitting in front of your computer doing nothing, you can still find away to be more lazy.. By complaining about having to use time to do things. First world problems are pretty rough.
Shouldnt you be in Africa helping people, instead of posting on a video game forum?P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.0 -
Haewk✭✭✭Shaun98ca2 wrote: »The thing is they don't want people changing morphs cause the direction of the wind changed.
They don't want people to easily change builds. This is to give meaning to every build and to be known for something.
Since EVERY class can do EVERYTHING it makes sense they should make the rescepcing almost nonexistent.
People complained there was no role identity as everybody can be everything and this GIVES and identity to each player for the choices they made leveling up their character.
Respecing should be something a player RARELY does not something to do cause its a minute later.
Being able to respect a single ability allows that even if you "think" its costly it really isn't.
The current cost works that's why people are complaining.
But you don't know before hand how a morph or skill stacks up in reality. On paper it may sound good but in practice it may just be a waste of a skill point. So without extensive meta-gaming and character planning you are just gambling and it will cost you a lot of gold to fix it.
So as a low level tank you focus on stamina and health and armor and then you get to VR and realize you need to take a step back and reconsider because the armor morphs you took are basically wasted as it is so easy to overcap armor.
Or the points you put into hirelings when you thought you will be getting sufficient reward for your points but now you just want to get your 6 points back as having to log in multiple times a day to get the maximum return on your investment is just tedious and not worth the hassle. Nowhere in the hireling description does it explain the technical details of how hirelings work. I now have to pay 15K to fix that mistake.1 -
phtony06b14_ESO✭✭✭jelliedsoup wrote: »Seems a little like overkill to me, I can't see why the option to spend 2 skill points on either morph and the ability to toggle between the two is not an option.
The cost of respeccing seems a little odd unless you're trying to encourage gold sellers/buyers. Given there is so much nerfing and fixing of various skills, it seems only fair this is an option at the very least or a free respec is given to those people with a class which has been extensively changed.
Well said. I also like your idea I bolded.
Come to think of it, Zenimax never gave the refunded skills back from Impulse & 1 other ability (can't recall) when they nerfed them. The patch notes actually said a skill point would be refunded.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100641/impulse-respec-point-not-given-as-per-patch-notes#latest
Edited by phtony06b14_ESO on June 17, 2014 9:43AM0 -
Yasha✭✭✭✭✭Strangely enough, one criticism you often hear about f2p mmos is the high cost of respeccing.
However, many f2p games give you a couple of free respecs and the amount of ingame currency it takes to respec- while varying from game to game- is pretty much in line with ESOs (and you can buy a respec with real money as well).
After paying so much money for the game plus a sub I find it weird that some aspects of the game (like respeccing) treat me worse than a f2p game.
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DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭I also agree there should be a higher cost respec that allows us to respec certain points only. Instead of just 100g/SP for the current all-or-nothing, there should be 2 choices, the 2nd being something like 300g/SP one-at-a-time or something to that end.0 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »Its always been overkill and its stupid.
For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).
Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.
Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...
WoW allows dual spec, Rift I believe allowed quad specs. All built into the UI and these games are like ancient. Thought ESO was supposed to be Next Gen?
WoW's quick and cheap dual spec is relatively recent, though. I dual specced my paladin when it still cost 1000g (and gold was hard to come by). Now I think it's 10 g.
I haven't tried respeccing here yet. Since I'm kind of running out of places I really want to put points in on my 50/vr1 NB, I'm not too worried about my alts. At the moment.
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