Having to respec to change a Morph....

jelliedsoup

Seems a little like overkill to me, I can't see why the option to spend 2 skill points on either morph and the ability to toggle between the two is not an option.

The cost of respeccing seems a little odd unless you're trying to encourage gold sellers/buyers. Given there is so much nerfing and fixing of various skills, it seems only fair this is an option at the very least or a free respec is given to those people with a class which has been extensively changed.

pecheckler

Don't be so accepting of poor design decisions. Requiring a massive gold investment to re-morph a single skill is absurd.

jelliedsoup

Absurd it may be, however you have no choice but to accept.

murklor007neb18_ESO

Its always been overkill and its stupid.

For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).

Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.

Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...

Terminus

Perhaps in addition to normal character respects,
we should be able to respec an entire skill line and all abilities within that line.

It'd cost maybe, 100% more for each skillpoint in that tree,
but that would still save you 90% of the cost if you wanted to just do 1 skill,
assuming you had 15 points in a tree out of over 150.

If anything, it would take out more gold from the game than normal resets,
because people might use it more often.

Gern_Verkheart

I would really like to be able to swap between morphs, even if I had to go to a shrine to do it, as long as it didn't cost an arm and a leg. If prefer to be able to swap between morphs anywhere, anytime, for free, as long as I'm out of combat.


What I would be satisfied with, however, is at least making it so I don't have to completely respec, but can just repec a single skill tree, instead of every flipping tree at once.

pavelcherepanskyrwb17_ESO

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).

Could you please elaborate on that ^

born2beagator

and it's not just the insane cost....the tedium of re-entering EVERY skill point all over again is irritating. Oh and you had better not getting going to quick while entering those and make a mistake.

SilvaRavenheart

@born2beagator‌ indeed. If I only want to respect one or two mistake I feel I must correct, I must spend a fortune and have to redo everything....
As you say, too bad if you make a mistake, or change your mind based on a nerf

Mortosk

It's going to cost me roughly 17K just to respec to try out the new morphed Templar skills they are changing in 1.2. These are drastic changes they are making to these skills making them heal now, and it should come with skill refunds.

That kinda bothers me a little.

Mortosk

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

Its always been overkill and its stupid.

For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).

Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.

Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...

WoW allows dual spec, Rift I believe allowed quad specs. All built into the UI and these games are like ancient. Thought ESO was supposed to be Next Gen?

Hilgara

I realise that there needs to be gold sinks in the game but having the option to remorph a skill for say 1000g would be an even better gold sink than resetting all your skills. People would remorph for PVE or PvP or even single target to AOE. People would spend more gold remorphing the odd skill.

Shaun98ca2

The thing is they don't want people changing morphs cause the direction of the wind changed.

They don't want people to easily change builds. This is to give meaning to every build and to be known for something.

Since EVERY class can do EVERYTHING it makes sense they should make the rescepcing almost nonexistent.

People complained there was no role identity as everybody can be everything and this GIVES and identity to each player for the choices they made leveling up their character.

Respecing should be something a player RARELY does not something to do cause its a minute later.

Being able to respect a single ability allows that even if you "think" its costly it really isn't.

The current cost works that's why people are complaining.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Mortosk wrote: »

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

Its always been overkill and its stupid.

For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).

Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.

Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...

WoW allows dual spec, Rift I believe allowed quad specs. All built into the UI and these games are like ancient. Thought ESO was supposed to be Next Gen?

Well, since many 'vets' complain that MMOs are getting easier by the year, and ESO is the most dumbed-down UI of any MMO I've played .. maybe it IS 'next gen'.

shiva7663

I do like the idea of spending an extra skill point to have the other morph option available.

Lyall84

17k? Pft, that is nothing. Last time I looked, 22k. only missing the Cryo sky shards. The part that is going to fry my bacon, is if I stick with this game, and 5-6 months from now, when I have 8 traits on almost everything...I might be forced to dump 25k just to respec to get those 9 wasted skill points back.

Sallakat

In my previous MMO when you respecced, all of your skill points were refunded to you and you had to put them back. Also at first it was quite expensive, but later on in the game it became free of charge.

So at least I'm not getting my panties in a twist that all the points get refunded and that you have to pay for it. Who knows if it becomes free in this game eventually too.

Bahz

Fix the damn respec system!

Bonzaiboom

I don't know... I think I actually like it being expensive. Makes making choices more important. I would hate it if I had the opportunity to respec at a whim. Wouldn't make me feel some sort of unique at all.

Nova Sky

born2beagator wrote: »

and it's not just the insane cost....the tedium of re-entering EVERY skill point all over again is irritating. Oh and you had better not getting going to quick while entering those and make a mistake.

Of course, that didn't happen to you, did it?

Seroczynski

Just keep playing and choose the other morph the next time you respect. People shouldn't be changing their builds all the time. I have chosen a morph that I'd later on wanted switched, and yeah it sucks to spend a lot of money to do so, but it's not like I am gimped with the other option. It's just less viable but meh, we'll switch that around the next time I fork out 23k.

It wouldn't be fun if everyone is running around with FOTM, every single time.

Hilgara

Seroczynski wrote: »

Just keep playing and choose the other morph the next time you respect. People shouldn't be changing their builds all the time. I have chosen a morph that I'd later on wanted switched, and yeah it sucks to spend a lot of money to do so, but it's not like I am gimped with the other option. It's just less viable but meh, we'll switch that around the next time I fork out 23k.

It wouldn't be fun if everyone is running around with FOTM, every single time.

Problem is that some morphs completely change your ability to deal with different content. Take Ambush (NB class skill) Its is a great ability for PvP and single target. One of the class defining abilities of the NB. But its other morph is lotus fan. The NB has very few AoE abilities and lotus fan is one of them. If you take ambush you are severely gimping your dungeon viability since most of them require AoE. Should you really be locked out of half the games content because of a decision you are forced to make?

Seroczynski

Hilgara wrote: »

Seroczynski wrote: »

Just keep playing and choose the other morph the next time you respect. People shouldn't be changing their builds all the time. I have chosen a morph that I'd later on wanted switched, and yeah it sucks to spend a lot of money to do so, but it's not like I am gimped with the other option. It's just less viable but meh, we'll switch that around the next time I fork out 23k.

It wouldn't be fun if everyone is running around with FOTM, every single time.

Problem is that some morphs completely change your ability to deal with different content. Take Ambush (NB class skill) Its is a great ability for PvP and single target. One of the class defining abilities of the NB. But its other morph is lotus fan. The NB has very few AoE abilities and lotus fan is one of them. If you take ambush you are severely gimping your dungeon viability since most of them require AoE. Should you really be locked out of half the games content because of a decision you are forced to make?

I have to admit I have no knowledge on the NB class, just the DK and Sorc (I know how to pick them don't I? ;-)). Perhaps a solution to your issue, while keeping the FOTM thing out of sight, is to add a fourth alter which enabled you to respec morphs only for like 100g or 200g each. This way it would fit in the current respec scheme, people won't have to spend a *** of gold and you don't have to respend all your skills.

Shaun98ca2

Hilgara wrote: »

Seroczynski wrote: »

Just keep playing and choose the other morph the next time you respect. People shouldn't be changing their builds all the time. I have chosen a morph that I'd later on wanted switched, and yeah it sucks to spend a lot of money to do so, but it's not like I am gimped with the other option. It's just less viable but meh, we'll switch that around the next time I fork out 23k.

It wouldn't be fun if everyone is running around with FOTM, every single time.

Problem is that some morphs completely change your ability to deal with different content. Take Ambush (NB class skill) Its is a great ability for PvP and single target. One of the class defining abilities of the NB. But its other morph is lotus fan. The NB has very few AoE abilities and lotus fan is one of them. If you take ambush you are severely gimping your dungeon viability since most of them require AoE. Should you really be locked out of half the games content because of a decision you are forced to make?

HMMM sounds like a tough decision. Have you thought about maybe talking to other NightBlades to see what decision they made and how they deal with the repercussions of choosing either or.

Maybe make a choice between the 2 and figure out how to make up for your new found shortcomings. Im pretty sure everybody feels a SOME kind of loss when they have to make they morph choice.

The best morph choices in the game is when both choices have an equal value and you feel a loss when you make your decision. That is the intent of the design.

monden1980b16_ESO

The costs of respeccing don't bother me that much (you don't respec every day)... it's just inconvenient that one has to redistribute over 100 skill points just because you want to chance 1 morph (actually, I once made an error when redistributing my skill points and had to start new...)

Shaun98ca2

monden1980b16_ESO wrote: »

The costs of respeccing don't bother me that much (you don't respec every day)... it's just inconvenient that one has to redistribute over 100 skill points just because you want to chance 1 morph (actually, I once made an error when redistributing my skill points and had to start new...)

That would suck. I guess that's a mistake you don't make twice.

Prokonto

respec should be per skill tree... & its should be fixed asap.
cost & redistribution so many points every time is just ridiculous

born2beagator

Nova Sky wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

and it's not just the insane cost....the tedium of re-entering EVERY skill point all over again is irritating. Oh and you had better not getting going to quick while entering those and make a mistake.

Of course, that didn't happen to you, did it?

Nope. I've refused to respec because of the cost. Its absurd. I have ONE MORPH I want to change. Thats it. I'm not spending upwards of 15K for one morph. Unfortunately that one morph is venom shot in the bow skill line. I've got no ranged interrupt

snowmanflvb14_ESO

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

Its always been overkill and its stupid.

For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).

Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.

Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...

weapon swapping works fine for me. I fine this need for more slots interesting. In most cased we use a 3-5 skill rotation so the fact we have 12 plus our light and heavy attacks seems enough to me.

Shaun98ca2

snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

Its always been overkill and its stupid.

For example, the cost of my respec is now 17000 gold per skill. That's right, I only want to change a single morph depending on whether I solo PvE or group PvE/PvP. The rest... Well I'd want to change their morph too but they are acceptable (dont use most anyway since we only got 5 skill slots in the EU, the others are just for show as weapon swapping dont work).

Its the same situation as in GW2 where you want to respec when you go into dungeon compared to when you guild raid WvW, except there the cost is 0.0001% of what the cost is in ESO. Having at least dual specs available would be nice, but nope not even that. Its pay up or shut up.

Absolutely stupid. One of those things that make you hate the game every time you logon. Oh so I feel like PvP today? Nope, not allowed because Zenimax doesnt want me to respec from my group PvE spec. It shouldnt be like this, sigh...

weapon swapping works fine for me. I fine this need for more slots interesting. In most cased we use a 3-5 skill rotation so the fact we have 12 plus our light and heavy attacks seems enough to me.

WOW just WOW way to be logical there just takes all the fun out of the fight LOL.

I LOVE our limited hot bar it goes well with the combat. I couldn't imagine having to hit a key past 5 with this gameplay.

Wish all MMO's would steal this combat system.

Adramelach

Not being able to swap morphs on the fly, to me, is an unnecessary limitation on players, and those things annoy me. Who would it hurt if we could simply select which Morph to use at any given time? Just keeping that three-diamond morph icon "active" and be able to swap back and forth? What is the game-breaking problem with that? Gives us the ability to tweak our skills for specific situations, etc. I would love to be able to swap morphs on skills, depending on if I were soloing or in a group, for instance.

There are many "punishing" limitations on characters and play that I can't see a good reason for, and don't appear to increase the satisfaction or enjoyment of the game, yet cause angst. So, you have downside for many folks, and no real upside for anyone.