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Is ESO Breaking Basic MMO Genre 'Ground-Rules' With Main Story Forced Single-Player Boss Battles?

RatsnevE
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Casual gamers who might like to play any classic character class solo self found (pick up and wear or use what you find only) can play well through many map areas and public dungeons until a side quest or main story quest forces them into a single player only battle up against an overpowering boss that leads only to great frustration.

On the other side of things you have the hardcore gamer who has figured everything out including her battle tactics and finds these boss battles of no consequence as single-player events--even 'easy'.
Edited by RatsnevE on June 16, 2014 8:31PM

Is ESO Breaking Basic MMO Genre 'Ground-Rules' With Main Story Forced Single-Player Boss Battles? 136 votes

I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
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I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
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I'm hardcore and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and upsetting.
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I'm hardcore and find single-player-only battles in ESO do not damage the genre and easy to finish--what's the fuss.
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  • RatsnevE
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    Can't delete or edit the top topic so I'll start here on down. I would recommend not participating in this poll because it was poorly written by me and one-sided toward what is/was bothering me at the time. It is kind of funny 126 ppl have bothered to vote. I'll add my LOL to that top poll too. Oh, I can't... Well here you go then here. LOL
    Edited by RatsnevE on June 18, 2014 9:38PM
  • vyndral13preub18_ESO
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    RatsnevE wrote: »
    Go for it!

    Go for what?
  • ErilAq
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    while I'm not *against* allowing others to group to fight bosses, I'm perfectly happy with the difficulty for the quest bosses. They usually have one or two tricks that make them difficult until you figure it out. Sometimes you may need to eat food to scrape by, or pop a crafted potion, but I'd rather have challenging than faceroll.
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  • floweringmind
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    This poll is pretty poor and only reinforces your opinion, which I totally disagree with.
  • SteveCampsOut
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    Your poll is invalid because it's choices are too restricted. I'm Casual and I found the main quest bosses to be fun and challenging and they made me rework my strategy each time and think outside my comfort zone.
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  • Heishi
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    I'm a pretty casual player I'd say. I've been playing since Beta and early access and my main/first char just got to VR1 last week. He's pretty much my go to standard character for any mmo, you're typical stealth high crit dual wielding rogue type.

    Originally I was running him full stamina, but by about lv 20 I found this would not work out so well. Ultimately he's split 50/50 on magicka and stamina. In theory he would be what most people consider the most broken combination in ESO.

    Even so, I haven't ran into anything I wasn't able to handle. There were challenging bosses and easy bosses. The level pacing seemed rough (I was almost always under level all the way to VR1, even going into VR1 zone at 49).

    I wouldn't say any of them were game stoppers though. Sometimes I had to level a bit more and come back to try it again, sometimes had to craft better armor/weapons. Yes I know you specified self found. I also rarely used potions/food/drink which could make up the difference between crafted and found armor I imagine.

    I also understand everyone's expertise and such are different and what one person finds difficult another might find easy and visa-versa. the solo boss battle is odd among the MMO world. I think FFXIV is the only other I've seen to have bosses you couldn't bring someone with you.

    It would also be helpful if the NPC allies did some decent damage instead of just being inefficient meat shields though
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  • Pyatra
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    I think the options are skewed.

    There is no:
    • Casual and fights are easy
    • Hardcore and fights are challenging
    • Bad poll is bad.
  • Clunan
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    Pyatra wrote: »
    I think the options are skewed.

    There is no:
    • Casual and fights are easy
    • Hardcore and fights are challenging
    • Bad poll is bad.

    Pretty much, might as well made a poll, "What's your favorite color?" then give green and red as the only options
  • Pele
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    I'm hardcore and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and upsetting.
    First! I wish there was a cookie for such an achievement.

    I wouldn't call myself hard-core, but I wouldn't say I am casual either. I voted for what best describes me and the current state of the game as I experience it.
  • Ojustaboo
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    I voted I'm casual because I'm not what I have witnessed some people in various guilds over the years to be when it comes to being hardcore.

    But I'm not sure I'm really that casual either. I like a good challenge, I love hard (not impossible) content, I love raiding.

    But I also love crafting, mooching around site seeing, really wish ESO had housing.

    When a game releases new content, I prefer going into raids etc blind and learning from our mistakes, and only googling if we get completely stuck after a few hrs of trying. When the raid wipes, I prefer being in a guild that laugh, jokingly mocks whoever caused it, and retries. Does that make me casual?

    What I hate is when a new raid is released, the guild is instructed to read up on exactly where to stand etc before we've even been through the door, and where if someone makes a mistake, the raid leader moans and makes us feel like we're getting told off by teacher (and judging by ingame tells, I'm not the only one who feels this way). And being instructed on what to wear and equip down to the last detail. That is what I call hardcore.

    I do appreciate that for example a raid doesn't want to continually wipe because a new member comes along and hasn't got decent equipment and hasn't a clue how a raid that's been run for 3 months works. But that's not quite the same thing.

    On the other hand, I count casual as the sort of person that loves Lotro in it's current stare, not from the point of roleplaying, not because they are in to Tolkien, but because they think the games fun and challenging, when you can level from 1 to endgame repeatedly pressing one button and never ever using a moral pot.

    So really I don't 'count myself as either.
  • RatsnevE
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    n/t
    Edited by RatsnevE on June 18, 2014 9:23PM
  • Ysne58
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    The forced solo main quest is the one that really, really needs to be changed. I don't care as much about FG, or MG but would like those to change as well.
  • Tavore1138
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    Reality beyond my vote is that there are a very few solo bosses that need a tweak to allow for all classes... For me... Dark Mane with 2 adds & Vox... So far the rest have been OK...
  • AlexDougherty
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    No middle ground options.

    Like I'm a enthusiastic gamer, not hardcore nor casual, and the single player battles are annoying as I would like the option of grouping, but aren't gamebreaking.

    That's what I would have chosen.
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  • Rodario
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    I'm not casual, but I don't have the time to be hardcore. I'm a weak shiny templar running a sta 2h dps build. I thought Molag Bal was a piece of cake. Got me down to 40% before I grasped his two tricks, then I facerolled him. Noticed after the battle I forgot to repair and recharge after the final assault.

    Personally, I wish there was more solo content. I wish delves were solo, if you're not grouped.

    I think this is a LTP issue.

    EDIT: Oh and I expected and wished MB to be a lot harder. And the quest reward to be better.
    Edited by Rodario on June 16, 2014 9:37PM
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  • Sturmwaffel
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    Game stopper? No. But I still say that MMOs nowadays are just spoon feeding terrible players.
  • RatsnevE
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    n/t
    Edited by RatsnevE on June 18, 2014 9:30PM
  • ebondeath
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    @Ojustaboo‌ My situation/opinion exactly.

    I don't know if I'd be considered casual or hardcore. In terms of time played, probably hardcore. In terms of content completed, probably casual. Haven't reached max level or done anything in Craglorn or trials yet.

    I have no problem with there being some solo only quests (WoW is my only mmo experience, but I recall at least several parts quests for legendary items being solo only and that seemed reasonable), and it sort of makes sense that the main quest is solo since it focuses heavily on your character and their specialness. But I dislike the guild quests being solo only. A guild is a community and it stands to reason that its members should be banding together to defeat enemies. And for the quests out in the world that have bosses that are solo only, I would be willing to sacrifice some immersion for the ability to help people who are stuck on them.
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  • Lodestar
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    No, The Secret World did this before ESO.

    And I would just like to add, it is not that damaging to the genre at all. It is however, an unwise choice.
    Edited by Lodestar on June 16, 2014 10:16PM
  • RatsnevE
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    n/t
    Edited by RatsnevE on June 18, 2014 9:31PM
  • Heishi
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    RatsnevE wrote: »
    Sorry, it is a lousy poll for everyone--wasn't my intention. If I could write it over again I would just stick with whether an MMOG should allow in the main story, which one might assume all would be playing through, for single player only boss battles or not--not being you can bring in help? 'Gamebreaking' was going too far. Gamebreaking for me means I have to stop playing because I don't know what to do next. But it isn't permanent and I'm sure in this case there are tricks to learn even if I have to respec and put my NB in light armor with a staff--but I'm not going to do that. Maybe there is another 'trick' that doesn't require something extreme? Maybe I can move far enough away to hide and draw his minions to deal with separately like I did with Manny? Maybe this...maybe that...this is the 'strategy' I don't enjoy as an adventurer in any game.

    What are the tricks to killing Molag Bal then that you speak of that would make this battle straight forward again? I'd like to start up the game today with some knowledge that might work.

    For my NB, the hardest part was his light attacks with his mace. Once he was down to about 75% and started doing charged AoE attacks and calling adds it got much easier. I used Reaper's Mark on the adds to regain health. Even still, I died multiple times even at lv 49 (I've seen a lot of people doing it all throughout the 40's). I also ended up having to use health bonus food.
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  • Swordguy
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    the only boss fights I found to be difficult were a couple of vr bosses, and only because they ate my face if I didn't kite them for 99% of the fight.

    I'm not a hardcore player, and most often I run with builds that are counter intuitive with weird synergies that match my jerk-like combat style.

    all that being said, I can see the really casual gamers being absolutely frustrated by a few of the boss encounters, especially the ones that kill you a bunch before you find a strategy.

    Edited by Swordguy on June 16, 2014 10:03PM
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  • Transorb
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    Zenimax said from the beginning they were not targeting the majority of MMORPG players. If you look at the ES series of games, they are all single player - geared toward RPG gamers.

    There are no ground rules to break when it was known from the beginning that this game would be different from MMO's. That, to be honest, is the entire purpose of the game. They would not have intended to make another warcraft, or nwn, or any other MMO for that matter.

    If they wanted to make just another MMO, they would have failed miserably. I think the game is great. If you want PVE - its there. If you want PVP - its there. It offers experiences for both types of players.

    What I AM sick of, is people complaining relentlessly that it isn't like warcraft, or their class is imbalanced. Complaints, to some degree, are what ruin the game.

    People that nitpick and claim that ESO isn't like the game they used to play is the real problem.
  • IrishGirlGamer
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    @RatsnevE: You realize you didn't really need to vote, right? Your sentiments are coming through quite clearly from the thread title. :)

    Can I have an option for: "This is a game and there are no rules that have to followed when making a game."?

    Edit: Except, of course, labor laws and other government instituted requirements.
    Edited by IrishGirlGamer on June 16, 2014 10:09PM
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  • Phantorang
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    I'm hardcore and find single-player-only battles in ESO do not damage the genre and easy to finish--what's the fuss.
    Not hardcore, but more than casual.

    Nice to be able to solo stuff in ESO, problem isnt the story being solo, the game has no content is why.

    To be honest, the final Molag Bal battle IS easy, its way way way to easy.
    Edited by Phantorang on June 16, 2014 10:13PM
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  • RatsnevE
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    n/t
    Edited by RatsnevE on June 18, 2014 9:31PM
  • Heishi
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    @RatsnevE‌ No need to delve into martyrdom. There are some bosses/enemies people have problems with beating. MB in particular is the last Boss of the main story. I kinda feel it should be challenging. Having a last boss that isn't easy seems pretty rare anymore.

    ZOS isn't trying to punish anyone. From the standpoint that this came from the TES series, it's an incredibly easy game. TES has always had long winded quests with lots of exploration and bosses that really made you focus on what you were doing.

    If you've made it to MB though, I highly doubt you're a newbie or beginner. Some elitist may say making it that far doesn't prove anything. Personally I consider it a pretty good milestone.
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  • Gwarok
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO of no consequence to the genre and keep playing.
    This poll is pretty poor and only reinforces your opinion, which I totally disagree with.

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  • GreySix
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    I'm casual and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and a game-stopper.
    On this forum at least, I'm in the minority.

    Don't think solo-play should ever be forced in an MMO. That's what I've got a library of single-player games for.
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  • vyrusb23
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    I'm hardcore and find single-player-only battles in ESO damaging to the genre and upsetting.
    Forced soloing is a terrible idea, and I've canceled my account (mainly) because of it. I refuse to pay 15 dollars a month for a single player game with some borked teaming built in because "MMOs have teaming or something, right?"
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